The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

[P F Tinmore]

The evidence is conclusive the Arabs attacked the Israels, got their asses kicked, and got ran out. Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth. Your belief or lack of it has no effect on the facts.

Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth.

And I still will see nothing because you have nothing to show. You can show nothing to prove that Israel was attacked. All I ever get is a song and dance.

 

[JStone]

The evidence is conclusive the Arabs attacked the Israels, got their asses kicked, and got ran out. Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth. Your belief or lack of it has no effect on the facts.

Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth.

And I still will see nothing because you have nothing to show. You can show nothing to prove that Israel was attacked. All I ever get is a song and dance.

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Lebanese American Fouad Ajami, Professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is co-chair of the Hoover Working Group on Islamism and the International Order.The Wall Street Journal, June 1, 2011

The [UN] vote in 1947 was viewed as Israel's basic title to independence and] statehood. The Palestinians and the Arab powers had rejected partition and chosen the path of war. Their choice was to prove calamitous.

By the time the guns had fallen silent, the Yishuv, the Jewish community in Palestine, had held its ground against the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq. Its forces stood on the shores of the Red Sea in the south, and at the foot of the Golan Heights in the north. Palestinian society had collapsed under the pressure of war. The elites had made their way to neighboring lands. Rural communities had been left atomized and leaderless. The cities had fought, and fallen, alone. '"

Palestine had become a great Arab shame. Few Arabs were willing to tell the story truthfully, to face its harsh verdict. Henceforth the Palestinians would live on a vague idea of restoration and return. No leader had the courage to tell the refugees who had left Acre and Jaffa and Haifa that they could not recover the homes and orchards of their imagination.

Some had taken the keys to their houses with them to Syria and Lebanon and across the river to Jordan. They were no more likely to find political satisfaction than the Jews who had been banished from Baghdad and Beirut and Cairo, and Casablanca and Fez, but the idea of return, enshrined into a "right of return," would persist. (Wadi Abu Jamil, the Jewish quarter of the Beirut of my boyhood, is now a Hezbollah stronghold, and no narrative exalts or recalls that old presence.)

The vote at the General Assembly was of immense help, but it wasn't the decisive factor in the founding of the Jewish state. The hard work had been done in the three decades between the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the vote on partition. Realism had guided the Zionist project. We will take a state even if it is the size of a tablecloth, said Chaim Weizmann, one of the founding fathers of the Zionist endeavor.

Sadly, the Palestinian national movement has known a different kind of leadership, unique in its mix of maximalism and sense of entitlement, in its refusal to accept what can and can't be had in the world of nations. Leadership is often about luck, the kind of individuals a people's history brings forth. It was the distinct misfortune of the Palestinians that when it truly mattered, and for nearly four decades, they were led by a juggler, Yasser Arafat, a man fated to waste his people's chances.

Arafat was neither a Ben-Gurion leading his people to statehood, nor an Anwar Sadat accepting the logic of peace and compromise. He had been an enemy of Israel, but Israel had reached an accord with him in 1993, made room for him, and for a regime of his choice in Gaza. He had warred against the United States, but American diplomacy had fallen under his spell, and the years of the Clinton presidency were devoted to the delusion that the man could summon the courage to accept a practical peace.

But Arafat would do nothing of the kind. Until his death in 2004, he refrained from telling the Palestinians the harsh truths they needed to hear about the urgency of practicality and compromise. Instead, he held out the illusion that the Palestinians can have it all, from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. His real constituents were in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria and Jordan, and among the Palestinians in Kuwait. So he peddled the dream that history's verdict could be overturned, that the "right of return" was theirs.

There was hope that the Arafat legacy would go with him to the grave.The new Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas had been a lieutenant of Arafat's, but there were hints of a break with the Arafat legacy. The alliance between Fatah and Hamas that Mr. Abbas has opted for put these hopes to rest. And the illusion that the U.N. can break the stalemate in the Holy Land is vintage Arafat. It was Arafat who turned up at the General Assembly in 1974 with a holster on his hip, and who proclaimed that he had come bearing a freedom fighter's gun and an olive branch, and that it was up to the U.N. not to let the olive branch fall from his hand.

For the Palestinians there can be no escape from negotiations with Israel. The other Arabs shall not redeem Palestinian rights. They have their own burdens to bear. In this Arab Spring, this season of popular uprisings, little has been said in Tunis and Cairo and Damascus and Sanaa about Palestine.
Fouad Ajami: The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State - WSJ.com

 

[JakeStarkey]

The evidence is conclusive the Arabs attacked the Israels, got their asses kicked, and got ran out. Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth. Your belief or lack of it has no effect on the facts.

Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth.

And I still will see nothing because you have nothing to show. You can show nothing to prove that Israel was attacked. All I ever get is a song and dance.

Talk to the little man in your head, because you are wrong. Period. Tinmoe is the bigrebnc of the Israeli Palestinian conflict: Tin has never seen a fact that has moved him from his ideology.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The evidence is conclusive the Arabs attacked the Israels, got their asses kicked, and got ran out. Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth. Your belief or lack of it has no effect on the facts.

Whether you "have seen nothing" adds and detracts nothing from the truth.

And I still will see nothing because you have nothing to show. You can show nothing to prove that Israel was attacked. All I ever get is a song and dance.

Talk to the little man in your head, because you are wrong. Period. Tinmoe is the bigrebnc of the Israeli Palestinian conflict: Tin has never seen a fact that has moved him from his ideology.

Still no proof of those so called attacks on Israel, I see.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That you don't like the facts that have been given to you in so many threads does not mean the facts are wrong.

Merely that you are stubborn.

That will change, I imagine, not any more than Israel will ever submit to the Arabs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That you don't like the facts that have been given to you in so many threads does not mean the facts are wrong.

Merely that you are stubborn.

That will change, I imagine, not any more than Israel will ever submit to the Arabs.

What facts? You have posted no facts.

How about a 1948 map of Israel showing where it was attacked.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have been given plenty of facts and arguments many, many times on the board. That you don't like the truth is your problem. A map is unnecessary. You have show no reason why such a map should be posted. Asking for it means nothing. Do you have something to show us? If you do, then show it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You have been given plenty of facts and arguments many, many times on the board. That you don't like the truth is your problem. A map is unnecessary. You have show no reason why such a map should be posted. Asking for it means nothing. Do you have something to show us? If you do, then show it.

What facts? Where were these so called attacks on Israel?

Why the song and dance?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Go back and look them up.

Post the map, Tinmorre.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Go back and look them up.

Post the map, Tinmorre.

I did. There was no Israel in 1948. The Arab countries could not attack what was not there.

 

[georgephillip]

"For anyone who possesses a strong stomach and an equally strong desire to know the truth, I strongly recommend Israeli historian Ilan Pappe’s new book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine", which makes painstakingly and painfully clear the extent to which the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homes and homeland between 1947 and 1949 was meticulously planned, programmed and documented, ruthlessly carried out and, thereafter, efficiently covered up, sanitized, erased from minds and memories and, to the extent necessary, denied."

"Unfortunately, this book, published in England, is highly likely to go unreviewed and largely unnoticed in the United States, a country where objective historical truth is much less popular than "revealed truth" and pure fantasy and where the Israel-First Lobby starts with a distinct home-field advantage in pursuing its successful efforts to convince American public opinion that American interests and values are identical to Israeli interests and values and to make American foreign policy and America’s wars indistinguishable from Israeli foreign policy and Israel’s wars." by JOHN WHITBECK

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

"While most of mankind, being comprised of peoples who have themselves been the victims of colonialism and racism, views racial-supremicist settler-colonial states founded upon the genocide or ethnic cleansing of an indigenous population as an abomination, Americans, exceptionally, are favorably inclined toward such states.

"The reason is simple. Until very recently, America was itself such a state, and the official Israeli narrative replicates the widely accepted American narrative of brave pioneers bringing civilization and economic advancement to a backward and savage land."

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[JakeStarkey]

The map doesn't matter then, because the Brits had divided the area into zones of dominance.

How funny?

We know who got their zones and asses dominated.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The map doesn't matter then, because the Brits had divided the area into zones of dominance.

How funny?

We know who got their zones and asses dominated.

OK, but where was Israel? Where was Israel attacked?

 

[JakeStarkey]

So now you admit the Israelis were attacked. Thanks. If you don't think they were, then it is on you to show us they were not. You can't do that, can you?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So now you admit the Israelis were attacked. Thanks. If you don't think they were, then it is on you to show us they were not. You can't do that, can you?

You can't prove a negative. I am only asking you to back up your claim.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fact that Israel sits there bigger than the baddest dog in the whole ME universe tells me that Israel kicked the Arabs' collective ass.

I don't have to prove any claim. Why? I hold the land, and that will not change.

 

[rhodescholar]

You can't prove a negative. I am only asking you to back up your claim.

Prove what asshole? As if it needs to be "proven" that the arabs attacked the jews in 1948 after the jews declared an independent state.

No wonder fucking turds like you are placed on ignore.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The fact that Israel sits there bigger than the baddest dog in the whole ME universe tells me that Israel kicked the Arabs' collective ass.

I don't have to prove any claim. Why? I hold the land, and that will not change.

So, I guess you actually believe that Israel won the 1948 war.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fact that Israel sits there bigger than the baddest dog in the whole ME universe tells me that Israel kicked the Arabs' collective ass.

I don't have to prove any claim. Why? I hold the land, and that will not change.

So, I guess you actually believe that Israel won the 1948 war.

There is nothing to "believe".

 

[Roudy]

And I still will see nothing because you have nothing to show. You can show nothing to prove that Israel was attacked. All I ever get is a song and dance.

Talk to the little man in your head, because you are wrong. Period. Tinmoe is the bigrebnc of the Israeli Palestinian conflict: Tin has never seen a fact that has moved him from his ideology.

Still no proof of those so called attacks on Israel, I see.

Perhaps if the head is removed from the you know what it would help see things better. Just a suggestion.