Let There Be Peace Already

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    If I were prime minister of Israel the first thing I would do is acknowledge that Hamas is the duly elected government of the Palestinian people. No peace can be obtained by just ignoring Hamas as a terrorist organization. I would invite all of Hamas leaders to Tel Aviv for peace negotiations. I would provide them with the most lavish housing & fine dining available throughout this historic event. After an introductory dinner while we are all seated I would make an announcement to Hamas --- Welcome & thank you for coming. From now on, each time you kill an Israeli, Israel will retaliate by killing 10,000 Palestinians. Then I would open up the meeting for peace negotiations. What could be more fair & ethical than to let Hamas decide how many, if any, Palestinians Israel will have to kill for peace.
     
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    The situation you describe (wherein each time you kill, we kill 10,000) is not so different from the situaton as it has existed since the mid-eighties, in both Lebanon and Gaza.

    It just doesn't work. You don't disuade angry 17 year olds from firing rockets by warning him of dire consequences. Unfortunately.

    If I were the PM of Israel, I'd agree to recognise and talk to Hamas when Hamas agree to recognise and talk to me. Hamas can't do that, so it doesn't happen. Unfortunately.

    But if Israel anounced "Enough. We want to get this conflict sorted, and we'll pull out of the West Bank within 12 months if Hamas agree" perhaps they would. I'd apply public pressure of Hamas, and make it look as if Hamas is the impediment to peace. Which it is.
     
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    Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map. They will not change, as long as Palestinians keep them in power there will never be peace.
     
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    Yes, but, what's a palestinian?
     
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    That's the million dollar question huh.
    They are Arabs and DNA shows that Jews and Arabs are related.
    Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians
     
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    Yes, but, what's a palestinian?
     
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    It only became Palestine when the LN (League of Nations) granted it as a temporary mandate to Great Britain who promptly gave 2/3 of it to the Hashemite Arabs (yep, same tribe) forming the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The rump of Palestine was divided between the majority Jewish area and majority Muslim area by the UN with the Jewish part being called Israel and the Muslim part retaining the Palestine name.

    Bottom line: there was never a nation called Palestine nor was there ever a nation comprised of the area of Palestine called another name. The closest thing today is The Palestinian Authority which has been blocked by a rebel HAMAS government in Gaza from forming a country and, one could argue, Jordan, comprising 2/3 of Palestine (it was half when they invaded the area that was to be a free Palestine in 1948 and annexed the west bank until defeated by Israel in the sixties).
     
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    I thought history says the Romans renamed Israel "palestine" during the Roman Empire thousands of years before the UN, in an attempt to destroy the 1000 year Jewish identity of Israel, just like the Romans destroyed Carthage.

    The historians are wrong?
     
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    It's a question for people who don't follow the debate. It's not a question any informed analyst would ask.

    Actually, I'd go further and say that for most people who ask it - as we see on this thread - the question is about avoiding real answers rather than finding them.
     

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