The Emotional Plea is All Republicans have left with Benghazi

[easyt65]

BlindBoo:

Not facts at al.

The President was not involved with the ATF operation.
- FACT: HE IS THE ONE WHO AUTHORIZED IT! He still has not released all documents/ e-mails between he and holder, in violation / defiance of a court order to do so. Liberals initially tried to blame Bush for the program because it was introduced during Bush' s time in office. Bush REJECTED the program, though, because he KNEW there was no way to control or recover the guns once they crossed the border. And if you are saying the ATF, an agency within the Obama administration, turned 'rogue' and delivered thousands of weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels - without informing the DHS and the FBI, which is what they claim happened - without Obama's knowledge of the Op then you are declaring there was a MUCH BIGGER problem than Obama just making a bad decision....that would mean he had no control over his own administration, specifically the agency that was arming criminals!

Egyptians elected the MB but our support still went to the Military, who as it turn out had the power all along.
- Obama pressured the Egyptians to hold their elections 6 moths early instead of allowing all parties to prepare. By doing so, the only ones ready to step in were the Muslim Brotherhood. There are many more details but I am trying to keep it simple for you.

The outcome of Nato's war in Libya was really worse than it was before, but we only had a supporting role.
- Obama took the nation to war on his own, without Congressional approval to do so, using the US military to oust Qadaffi and allowing the 'Libyan Rebels' (Al Qaeida) he had been arming to take over. Obama bragged that the other countries fighting in Libya was HIS coalition, and once he formed it he handed off ownership to NATO. It was a war nevertheless, Obama's war. For all the bitchin gabout how needless the Iraq war was Libya was even worse. Libya / Qadaffi did not pose any immediate threat to the US. There was plenty of time for Obama to come before Congress and make his case why we needed to go to war in Libya...but he refused to and instead started his own war without Congressional approval

ISIS is made up of former Iraqi's Baathist who were drummed out of the service.
With US ships steaming toward Syria. Kerry threw them a line....
- ISIS is based out of Syria, heavily comprised of Syrians. The 6 Syrians Obama paid millions to train, 5 of which joined ISIS and 1 Putin killed, were Syrians. His entire Syrian Policy rested on spending millions on arming / training 6 Syrians...which failed horribly.

There is no mutual defense treaty with the Ukraine.
- Look it up, genius. The United states made a promise to the Ukraine to help protect its sovereign borders...a promise Obama did not even try to keep in any way

Iraq voted for us to leave their country and forced President Bush to sign the SOFA that ended our mission.
- The SOFA was ready to be signed until Obama demanded at the last minute that EVERY leader, not just the Iraqi PM, sign it. This has NEVER been done in our nation's modern history, and - as expected - was not passed. Again - look it up, educate yourself.

They are the ones who couldn't defend it.
- We have military troops embedded with the Iraqi military. And after all the sacrifice our troops made to liberate Iraq, for Obama to sit back and watch ISIS flow into the country was a betrayal of those troops and to the sacrifices they made. [/QUOTE]

 

[rdean]

Why are Congressional republicans going after those who are in no way accountable if not for purely partisan reasons.

How the HELL is the Head of the State Department, whose job it is to protect US ambassadors, NOT accountable for the protection of those Ambassadors, for the performance of the employees under her leadership, especially those she has appointed and placed in extremely dangerous situations?

How is she in no accountable when she admitted she never talked to Stevens about what was going on in Benghazi/Libya, never asked the mid-level supervisors who were responsible for working with Stevens how it was going and what was going on in Benghazi/Libya, was obviously never briefed on the 77 7terrorist attacks / other nations pulling out and Stevens and the US being the last ones there / the attacks on his compound / his many requests for additional security?

How is it she never asked / listened to Stevens - who was there on the ground, US Intel, or US State Dept employees about what was going on in Libya/Benghazi but INSTEAD sought to get her 'intel' / information on which to act from a civilian ex-journalist, ex-Clinton aide who was working for the Clinton Foundation - making $10,000 a month, who was getting HIS bogus information from an Ex-CIA member whose only connection to Libya was a personal business interest there?!

How is she in no way accountable for lying (proven), telling different stories about the attack to her family, a Turkish PM, and the American people all within 24 - 48 hours?!

Her mid-level supervisors who work FOR her, according to her, KNEW of the 77 terrorist attacks in Benghazi that year, KNEW every other country and the Red Cross were pulling their people out of Benghazi, KNEW Stevens had requested they NOT cut the size of his security team down to below State Department minimum Standards - which they did any way, KNEW he had repeatedly requested additional security, KNEW there had been 2 attacks on his compound in the weeks prior to the final attack, KNEW of the threats regarding Middle East-wide attacks on US Embassies called for on 9/11/12, and KNEW from the mayor of Benghazi that an Al Qaeida leader had called for the assassination of Stevens in retaliation for an Al Qaeida leader from Benghazi having been killed in a drone strike a month earlier YET he never thought any of this was important enough to bring it to her attention / never briefed her on any of this...and you think she is in no way accountable for her employee's total and utter F* UP that resulted in the deaths of 4 Americans?

...wow

I'm sure you were just as passionate for the more than 60 that died at US Embassies under Bush. The only problem, I couldn't find any of your posts on that subject. Can you post a few links. I would be interested in your comments from 2001 to 2008. Bush 60, Obama 4.

 

[Anathema]

I suppose his post was yet another "those responsible should fall on their swords"

And Truman resigned because his admin failed to anticipate Korea, Reagan resigned because he focked up Lebanon, and W called it a day when he failed to respond to 9-11 warnings.

The real question is what reforms were made, and the gop has no interest in that question.

All Liberal individuals,who should have fallen on their swords after getting us,involved places we never should have been in the first place. You can add Wilson and FDR (European theatre) to that list along with Kennedy and both Bush's.

 

[easyt65]

But they should've done the impossible because thats reasonable. Why didnt they use a teleportation evacuation machine?

You're a friggin' idiot.

The impossible?

77 terrorist attacks in Benghazi prior to 9/11/12 that year, 2 being against the US compound. After these attacks EVERY other nation who had reps in Benghazi pulled their people out....except the US / Hillary's State department.
- Doing the intelligent thing, which would have been pulling Stevens out as well - especially considering the threats made against US Embassies for 9/11/12 and the call for the assassination of Stevens, is NOT something that was 'impossible'.

Despite all those attacks, Hillary's Mid-Level State Department Reps DENIED Stevens' request to keep the Security Members he had and instead REDUCED the number of people on his team, reducing the size below the Minimum State Department Standard. Allowing Stevens to keep the security detail he had was not 'impossible'. And despite all these attacks, Hillary's Mid-Level State department reps could have given Stevens the additional security he was asking for...instead of repeatedly denying him his request. This was not an 'impossible' task, either.

Had Hillary and her incompetent F*ing retards at the State Department done their jobs Stevens would be alive today.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Thats the part you cant prove. All you have is speculation and hindsight

 

[bendog]

I suppose his post was yet another "those responsible should fall on their swords"

And Truman resigned because his admin failed to anticipate Korea, Reagan resigned because he focked up Lebanon, and W called it a day when he failed to respond to 9-11 warnings.

The real question is what reforms were made, and the gop has no interest in that question.

All Liberal individuals,who should have fallen on their swords after getting us,involved places we never should have been in the first place. You can add Wilson and FDR (European theatre) to that list along with Kennedy and both Bush's.

Yep, Reagan 2.

 

[ClosedCaption]

You guys are like that Movie Texas Chainsaw. Using these guys as your mask to hide behind except Leatherface used their actual skin. You guys are using their dead bodies for cover.

 

[easyt65]

It's pathetic how Liberals scream how Bush should have been able to prevent and should be / have been held accountable for terrorists taking over multiple planes at multiple locations, flying them into multiple buildings, and killing thousands of Americans on 9/11/01...

...yet these same insane partisan freaks argue to the death that neither Hillary of Obama is in anyway accountable or should be held accountable for denying additional security, reducing existing security after numerous threats and terrorist attacks, and failing to prevent the death of 4 Americans - to include a US Ambassador (whose life it is the State Department's job to protect) in one compound on 9/11/12 when they already KNEW the attacks were coming based on the threat warnings.

 

[NightFox]

You guys are like that Movie Texas Chainsaw. Using these guys as your mask to hide behind except Leatherface used their actual skin. You guys are using their dead bodies for cover.

Texas Chainsaw Politics!.. I love it, should be far more entertaining than the 2 ring circus that American Politics is right now.

Now Partisans, grab your chainsaws and hop to it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

It's pathetic how Liberals scream how Bush should have been able to prevent and should be / have been held accountable for terrorists taking over multiple planes at multiple locations, flying them into multiple buildings, and killing thousands of Americans on 9/11/01...

...yet these same insane partisan freaks argue to the death that neither Hillary of Obama is in anyway accountable or should be held accountable for denying additional security, reducing existing security after numerous threats and terrorist attacks, and failing to prevent the death of 4 Americans - to include a US Ambassador (whose life it is the State Department's job to protect) in one compound on 9/11/12 when they already KNEW the attacks were coming based on the threat warnings.

Lets see.....3000 Americans dead on American soil is just like 4 Americans dead in a danger zone.

Right wing logic. SAME THING! SAME THING!

 

[bendog]

It's pathetic how Liberals scream how Bush should have been able to prevent and should be / have been held accountable for terrorists taking over multiple planes at multiple locations, flying them into multiple buildings, and killing thousands of Americans on 9/11/01...

...yet these same insane partisan freaks argue to the death that neither Hillary of Obama is in anyway accountable or should be held accountable for denying additional security, reducing existing security after numerous threats and terrorist attacks, and failing to prevent the death of 4 Americans - to include a US Ambassador (whose life it is the State Department's job to protect) in one compound on 9/11/12 when they already KNEW the attacks were coming based on the threat warnings.

Lets see.....3000 Americans dead on American soil is just like 4 Americans dead in a danger zone.

Right wing logic. SAME THING! SAME THING!

Well, in sense it is the same thing, but not the way the partisans would spin it, and there were anti-bush partisans on 9-11 even before the dry drunk idiot invaded the wrong fokcing country with delusions of grandeur.

But the difference is the 9-11 inquiry was more or less non-partisan. And in the end, what we really learned was that given the failures to actually track the terrorists inside the Country, and the failures to connect the dots between them and the flight training .... all W really could have done is to shut down the airports, and really that was no option. It would have caused massive economic difficulties through the entire economy. And, we also learned what the government changed to more effectively protect us.

Here, we didn't learn jack shite, and the gop didn't even want to try.

 

[BlindBoo]

BlindBoo:

Not facts at al.

The President was not involved with the ATF operation.
- FACT: HE IS THE ONE WHO AUTHORIZED IT! He still has not released all documents/ e-mails between he and holder, in violation / defiance of a court order to do so. Liberals initially tried to blame Bush for the program because it was introduced during Bush' s time in office. Bush REJECTED the program, though, because he KNEW there was no way to control or recover the guns once they crossed the border. And if you are saying the ATF, an agency within the Obama administration, turned 'rogue' and delivered thousands of weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels - without informing the DHS and the FBI, which is what they claim happened - without Obama's knowledge of the Op then you are declaring there was a MUCH BIGGER problem than Obama just making a bad decision....that would mean he had no control over his own administration, specifically the agency that was arming criminals!

Egyptians elected the MB but our support still went to the Military, who as it turn out had the power all along.
- Obama pressured the Egyptians to hold their elections 6 moths early instead of allowing all parties to prepare. By doing so, the only ones ready to step in were the Muslim Brotherhood. There are many more details but I am trying to keep it simple for you.

The outcome of Nato's war in Libya was really worse than it was before, but we only had a supporting role.
- Obama took the nation to war on his own, without Congressional approval to do so, using the US military to oust Qadaffi and allowing the 'Libyan Rebels' (Al Qaeida) he had been arming to take over. Obama bragged that the other countries fighting in Libya was HIS coalition, and once he formed it he handed off ownership to NATO. It was a war nevertheless, Obama's war. For all the bitchin gabout how needless the Iraq war was Libya was even worse. Libya / Qadaffi did not pose any immediate threat to the US. There was plenty of time for Obama to come before Congress and make his case why we needed to go to war in Libya...but he refused to and instead started his own war without Congressional approval

ISIS is made up of former Iraqi's Baathist who were drummed out of the service.
With US ships steaming toward Syria. Kerry threw them a line....
- ISIS is based out of Syria, heavily comprised of Syrians. The 6 Syrians Obama paid millions to train, 5 of which joined ISIS and 1 Putin killed, were Syrians. His entire Syrian Policy rested on spending millions on arming / training 6 Syrians...which failed horribly.

There is no mutual defense treaty with the Ukraine.
- Look it up, genius. The United states made a promise to the Ukraine to help protect its sovereign borders...a promise Obama did not even try to keep in any way

Iraq voted for us to leave their country and forced President Bush to sign the SOFA that ended our mission.
- The SOFA was ready to be signed until Obama demanded at the last minute that EVERY leader, not just the Iraqi PM, sign it. This has NEVER been done in our nation's modern history, and - as expected - was not passed. Again - look it up, educate yourself.

They are the ones who couldn't defend it.
- We have military troops embedded with the Iraqi military. And after all the sacrifice our troops made to liberate Iraq, for Obama to sit back and watch ISIS flow into the country was a betrayal of those troops and to the sacrifices they made.

[/QUOTE]


Try sticking with facts you can prove.

 

[Anathema]

Yep, Reagan 2.

Yea. My apologies if I didn't make ut ckear enough that "All Liberals" was intended to refer to all the people you'd mentioned in your post, including Reagan

 

[OKTexas]

Well I see the diversion is working well for CC, I don't think anything will become of the Benghazi other than the fact that the hildabeast's State Dept. security department failed to comply with the law regarding the consulates security arrangements.

The gorilla in the room was the information uncovered while trying to pry subpoenaed information out of the State Dept and the administration. That being the hildabeasts using a private server which contained a minimum of 400 items of sensitive and classified information and was not kept in an approved secure location. Add to that, the server was accessible to people who didn't hold clearances for such information and you have major national security violations.

Then you have the Platte River Tech. employee who was told not to backup all her emails, while investigations were ongoing. Can you say obstruction of justice?

Move along to the fact that the hildabeast signed an affidavit under oath that she had turned over all work related emails to the State Dept when she hadn't, can you say perjury?

There are a minimum of 1,600 counts of having classified and sensitive information in unauthorized locations, the first being in her home, second being Platte River Tech, third the company Platte River used to do their backups and the fourth being her attorneys office. All of which had access to the information without having clearance.

So you regressivecrats smile and make hay about the hearings themselves, but wait for the other shoe to drop, it may not be so much fun, once the FBI has all their i's dotted. Your only hope is the dear leader gives her a pardon, but that will guarantee a republican victory.

 

[bendog]

Yep, Reagan 2.

Yea. My apologies if I didn't make ut ckear enough that "All Liberals" was intended to refer to all the people you'd mentioned in your post, including Reagan

That scares me in a way. (-:

 

[Anathema]

]That scares me in a way. (-:

Why? Reagan started his political career as a Democrat in California. He opened every emergency medical facility to the worthless fucks who can't pay their bills and have no insurance. He gave amnesty to criminals (illegals). Seems like a lib to me.