The difference between Communism and Socialism

[Bfgrn]

I don't need to read anything.

You've got every Marxist moonbat cliche, platitude, slogan and neurosis down pat. The "data" you accept only comes from other fringe kooks, unless you try cross-dress your far leftist proclivities (which you do extremely poorly, BTW) with a few assorted cherry picked quotes from the likes of Goldwater or Hayek.

It's like we ordered you from the left wing fringe frakazoid catalog.

Hey, thanks for the compliment. I have a great idea, why don't you and I debate a topic. I have only one request; you speak English. Because ALL you do on this board is take pot shots from the peanut gallery which YOU have placed way above all of us and spew empty cliched filled gibberish which you try to sell as some coded language only other like you would understand. There is no way to response to your posts because there is nothing there. There is never any substance. Why is that Dude? Are you fearful of ridicule or of being exposed? You say NOTHING that could be mistaken for a position, a stance or even a theory.

 

[antagon]

I can't see how you missed what the CIA said about countries that have a socialist system.
"most socialist governments have ended up being no more than dictatorships over workers by a ruling elite"
Are you disagreeing with people who know a hell of a lot more then you do on the subject?

if you can cite any source which contends that social welfare, social security, labor reforms, medicare, permission of labor unions, our civil services, our seizure of private assets for collective benefit, and a number of other such vestiges of socialistic policy which the US has embraced are not socialistic, i would both disagree with those sources and contend that i know a hell of a lot more than they do on the subject.

balls in your court.

With this last comment that disagrees with the information from the CIA
"most socialist governments have ended up being no more than dictatorships over workers by a ruling elite"
I must ask how old are you?

im 32.

the united states is not a socialist government, per sa.

you failed to list and persist in not acknowledging inclusion of the US and virtually every developed nation in your list of "Countries that use OR USED the socialist systems"

i must ask; how ignorant are you?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

if you can cite any source which contends that social welfare, social security, labor reforms, medicare, permission of labor unions, our civil services, our seizure of private assets for collective benefit, and a number of other such vestiges of socialistic policy which the US has embraced are not socialistic, i would both disagree with those sources and contend that i know a hell of a lot more than they do on the subject.

balls in your court.

With this last comment that disagrees with the information from the CIA
"most socialist governments have ended up being no more than dictatorships over workers by a ruling elite"
I must ask how old are you?

im 32.

the united states is not a socialist government, per sa.

you failed to list and persist in not acknowledging inclusion of the US and virtually every developed nation in your list of "Countries that use OR USED the socialist systems"

i must ask; how ignorant are you?

America has some socialist programs; we have too many for my taste. The church was the one that disrupted to the poor not the federal government. Now you talk about being ignorant. Do you know anything about the history of socialism and the effects it has had on the common people who have had to live under the control of the government? If you still defend more socialism in America I would have to say you are more ignorant then I give you credit for.

 

[Oddball]

I don't need to read anything.

You've got every Marxist moonbat cliche, platitude, slogan and neurosis down pat. The "data" you accept only comes from other fringe kooks, unless you try cross-dress your far leftist proclivities (which you do extremely poorly, BTW) with a few assorted cherry picked quotes from the likes of Goldwater or Hayek.

It's like we ordered you from the left wing fringe frakazoid catalog.

Hey, thanks for the compliment. I have a great idea, why don't you and I debate a topic. I have only one request; you speak English. Because ALL you do on this board is take pot shots from the peanut gallery which YOU have placed way above all of us and spew empty cliched filled gibberish which you try to sell as some coded language only other like you would understand. There is no way to response to your posts because there is nothing there. There is never any substance. Why is that Dude? Are you fearful of ridicule or of being exposed? You say NOTHING that could be mistaken for a position, a stance or even a theory.

Well, as long as you can now freely admit you're a far left wing frakazoid and not a classical liberal (i.e. libertarian) we've made some headway.

And you have zero room to maneuver to go around chiding others for spouting "cliched filled gibberish which you try to sell as some coded language", as it is another area in which you yourself excel.

But, all-in-all, a constructive moment.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The CIA is not exactly a bastion of disinterested information. Neither is the Department of State.

How are are the members of this board? I would guess that many are no older then 25 and have no idea what socialism is.

You really think the under 25 set make up the majority of people posting on a message board? They're (majority of that age group) out getting laid or recovering from getting laid. Meanwhile, good links to scholarship are dismissed for a reference to the CIA? Seriously?

Anyone who supports scoialism I would say are either 25 and under or just ignorant of the facts.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

These are not my words.

SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM
Although both systems have idealistic, even noble, intentions, history tends to speak for itself.

In the last century, over 80 million people died under what was supposed to be communist rule. In countries like China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia and Romania, people started dying and being killed off soon after the communists came to power.

Perhaps this happens because both communist and socialist systems do not respect individual rights, and when governments do not respect their people's rights, it is very easy to treat them like numbers instead of people.

These political systems also tend to lead to depopulation efforts, supposedly for the good of the whole.

When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy.
How Does Socialism Work - Understand How Does Socialism Work | Truth-It

 

[Bfgrn]

I don't need to read anything.

You've got every Marxist moonbat cliche, platitude, slogan and neurosis down pat. The "data" you accept only comes from other fringe kooks, unless you try cross-dress your far leftist proclivities (which you do extremely poorly, BTW) with a few assorted cherry picked quotes from the likes of Goldwater or Hayek.

It's like we ordered you from the left wing fringe frakazoid catalog.

Hey, thanks for the compliment. I have a great idea, why don't you and I debate a topic. I have only one request; you speak English. Because ALL you do on this board is take pot shots from the peanut gallery which YOU have placed way above all of us and spew empty cliched filled gibberish which you try to sell as some coded language only other like you would understand. There is no way to response to your posts because there is nothing there. There is never any substance. Why is that Dude? Are you fearful of ridicule or of being exposed? You say NOTHING that could be mistaken for a position, a stance or even a theory.

Well, as long as you can now freely admit you're a far left wing frakazoid and not a classical liberal (i.e. libertarian) we've made some headway.

And you have zero room to maneuver to go around chiding others for spouting "cliched filled gibberish which you try to sell as some coded language", as it is another area in which you yourself excel.

But, all-in-all, a constructive moment.

And you said you understood language...

I guess my request for you to speak English was way too narrow. It would also require that you have the ability to decipher and comprehend...

Here's a link. It will come in handy for you...

Sarcasm | Define Sarcasm at Dictionary.com

 

[antagon]

How are are the members of this board? I would guess that many are no older then 25 and have no idea what socialism is.

You really think the under 25 set make up the majority of people posting on a message board? They're (majority of that age group) out getting laid or recovering from getting laid. Meanwhile, good links to scholarship are dismissed for a reference to the CIA? Seriously?

Anyone who supports scoialism I would say are either 25 and under or just ignorant of the facts.

you continue to ignore the role that socialist policy plays in any economy on the planet which is worth a shit. now you go as far as revealing that you're a cold-war relic who was schooled to deride socialism at the same time as the government pursued the socialist agendas which i espoused in part earlier. what are you round the corner from taking your state-managed pension, old-timer?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You really think the under 25 set make up the majority of people posting on a message board? They're (majority of that age group) out getting laid or recovering from getting laid. Meanwhile, good links to scholarship are dismissed for a reference to the CIA? Seriously?

Anyone who supports scoialism I would say are either 25 and under or just ignorant of the facts.

you continue to ignore the role that socialist policy plays in any economy on the planet which is worth a shit. now you go as far as revealing that you're a cold-war relic who was schooled to deride socialism at the same time as the government pursued the socialist agendas which i espoused in part earlier. what are you round the corner from taking your state-managed pension, old-timer?

I posted this earlier it appears you are ignoring the facts.
SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM
Although both systems have idealistic, even noble, intentions, history tends to speak for itself.

In the last century, over 80 million people died under what was supposed to be communist rule. In countries like China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia and Romania, people started dying and being killed off soon after the communists came to power.

Perhaps this happens because both communist and socialist systems do not respect individual rights, and when governments do not respect their people's rights, it is very easy to treat them like numbers instead of people.

These political systems also tend to lead to depopulation efforts, supposedly for the good of the whole.

When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy.

 

[antagon]

With this last comment that disagrees with the information from the CIA
"most socialist governments have ended up being no more than dictatorships over workers by a ruling elite"
I must ask how old are you?

im 32.

the united states is not a socialist government, per sa.

you failed to list and persist in not acknowledging inclusion of the US and virtually every developed nation in your list of "Countries that use OR USED the socialist systems"

i must ask; how ignorant are you?

America has some socialist programs; we have too many for my taste. The church was the one that disrupted to the poor not the federal government. Now you talk about being ignorant. Do you know anything about the history of socialism and the effects it has had on the common people who have had to live under the control of the government? If you still defend more socialism in America I would have to say you are more ignorant then I give you credit for.

examining american history and the role which the policies i enumerated earlier play, your contention on the effects of socialism dont hold water. even for our citizens who are totally wrapped up in this system sufficient to call it 'under the control of the government' their lot is dramatically better than that of their equivalents who suffered in the underbelly of a turn of the 20th century economy. between 'the church disrupting' and the CIA, you've got me beat in the ignorance contest. i concede to the far greater ignoramus.

looking to our recent history, whether policy aims to support capitalism or bolster social systems at play in our economy, the effects of technology on labor, among other implications of capitalism, drive more dependency on socialist facilities at every recession in the last 30 or so years - i argue the supply-side bias of conservative policy only hastens this preference for capital asset investment and efficiency over labor and employment. by virtue of this, your 'defending more socialism' is moot.

what do you suggest, in your profound brilliance, to affect the proportional resurgence of capitalism in this century, without sacrificing the quantitative and qualitative performance of our economy while you're at it?

 

[antagon]

Anyone who supports scoialism I would say are either 25 and under or just ignorant of the facts.

you continue to ignore the role that socialist policy plays in any economy on the planet which is worth a shit. now you go as far as revealing that you're a cold-war relic who was schooled to deride socialism at the same time as the government pursued the socialist agendas which i espoused in part earlier. what are you round the corner from taking your state-managed pension, old-timer?

I posted this earlier it appears you are ignoring the facts.
SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM
Although both systems have idealistic, even noble, intentions, history tends to speak for itself.

In the last century, over 80 million people died under what was supposed to be communist rule. In countries like China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia and Romania, people started dying and being killed off soon after the communists came to power.

Perhaps this happens because both communist and socialist systems do not respect individual rights, and when governments do not respect their people's rights, it is very easy to treat them like numbers instead of people.

These political systems also tend to lead to depopulation efforts, supposedly for the good of the whole.

When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy.

im not talking about cambodia, buddy. i'm talking about the US. there are vast differences between the policies and structure of the US and the leading world economies and the failed dictatorships which your source states the obvious about. these top-tier economies have achieved more robust, longer-lasting social policy than most of those which your source puts forward. these are the facts which you ignore.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

you continue to ignore the role that socialist policy plays in any economy on the planet which is worth a shit. now you go as far as revealing that you're a cold-war relic who was schooled to deride socialism at the same time as the government pursued the socialist agendas which i espoused in part earlier. what are you round the corner from taking your state-managed pension, old-timer?

I posted this earlier it appears you are ignoring the facts.
SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM
Although both systems have idealistic, even noble, intentions, history tends to speak for itself.

In the last century, over 80 million people died under what was supposed to be communist rule. In countries like China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia and Romania, people started dying and being killed off soon after the communists came to power.

Perhaps this happens because both communist and socialist systems do not respect individual rights, and when governments do not respect their people's rights, it is very easy to treat them like numbers instead of people.

These political systems also tend to lead to depopulation efforts, supposedly for the good of the whole.

When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy.

im not talking about cambodia, buddy. i'm talking about the US. there are vast differences between the policies and structure of the US and the leading world economies and the failed dictatorships which your source states the obvious about. these top-tier economies have achieved more robust, longer-lasting social policy than most of those which your source puts forward. these are the facts which you ignore.

Then this explains why you have no concept as to what socialism leads to. You think America is something special that it will never be like any socialist country that has came before it?
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"

 

[JBeukema]

I use history as my refernce to why we need to stay as far away from socialism as we can.

O RLY?

The working man in a nation with socialist reforms:

The labouring class in a nation without such reforms (or with no enforcement of them);

Metro Group Linked to Horrific Sweatshop Conditions in Bangladesh - The National Labor Committee



Dirty Clothes - The National Labor Committee

China's Youth Meet Microsoft - The National Labor Committee





I'm sure as hell glad I live in a nation that's seen socialist reforms.

Sieg Heil

Well, that explains a few things about you.

We don't let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?
Joseph Stalin

And? Go. Read. I've linked you to many examples of socialists condemning the CCCP and Lenin, Stalin, Mao.


Why do you keep posting when you read nothing?

 

[JBeukema]

The Frankfurt Declaration of the Socialist International, attended by many social democratic parties from across the world, committed the adherents to the replacement of capitalism with socialism and committed adherents to oppose Bolshevik communism and Stalinism.[2]


Social democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If you're winning solution is socialism of America you have lost even if it happens.
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"

 

[JBeukema]

I don't need to read anything..

Saved for posterity. It's not often you openly admit to knowing nothing about what you're talking about, oh Profundus Maximus

Profundus Maximus eagerly holds forth on all subjects, but his thin knowledge will not support a sustained assault and therefore his attacks quickly peter out. Profundus Maximus often uses big words, obscure terms and...ahem...even Latin to bluff his way through battle..

Profundud Maximus

 

[antagon]

When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy.

im not talking about cambodia, buddy. i'm talking about the US. there are vast differences between the policies and structure of the US and the leading world economies and the failed dictatorships which your source states the obvious about. these top-tier economies have achieved more robust, longer-lasting social policy than most of those which your source puts forward. these are the facts which you ignore.

Then this explains why you have no concept as to what socialism leads to. You think America is something special that it will never be like any socialist country that has came before it?
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"

the US is not a pseudo-socialist dictatorship. dictatorship and oligarchy tends to destroy freedoms and rights, whether it is socialist or not. did your grammar school source explore that?

the US is a capitalist economy and a constitutional, democratic republic. nevertheless, which government has built more hospitals, and put more pensions behind retirees, pol pot's cambodia or the united states?

setting aside your stupid ideology and broken-record anecdotes from some of the lamest sources i've seen in a while, what does the above comparative analysis say about those who characterize social policy in the US with that of the worst regimes in recent history? can it be said these regimes were socialist at all?

 

[JBeukema]

The church was the one that disrupted to the poor not the federal government.

The communist church?

44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
-The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 2
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Now you talk about being ignorant.

Do you know anything about the history of socialism and the effects it has had on the common people who have had to live under the control of the government?

I like OSHA, the minimum wage, and workplace safety laws.

 

[JBeukema]

If you're winning solution is socialism of America you have lost even if it happens.
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"

I like public libraries and knowing that a man who's injured at work won't see his family starve.

I like knowing that we can all receive emergency medical care when we need it without first being asked how we're going to pay for it.


I like regulations that ended paper mills' practive of dumping waste into local rivers.

 

[Contumacious]

im not talking about cambodia, buddy. i'm talking about the US. there are vast differences between the policies and structure of the US and the leading world economies and the failed dictatorships which your source states the obvious about. these top-tier economies have achieved more robust, longer-lasting social policy than most of those which your source puts forward. these are the facts which you ignore.

Then this explains why you have no concept as to what socialism leads to. You think America is something special that it will never be like any socialist country that has came before it?
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"

the US is not a pseudo-socialist dictatorship. ?

The US has been practing fascism since, at least, 1913 and is fast heading towards a socialist/communist dictatorship.

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