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im not talking about cambodia, buddy. i'm talking about the US. there are vast differences between the policies and structure of the US and the leading world economies and the failed dictatorships which your source states the obvious about. these top-tier economies have achieved more robust, longer-lasting social policy than most of those which your source puts forward. these are the facts which you ignore.
Then this explains why you have no concept as to what socialism leads to. You think America is something special that it will never be like any socialist country that has came before it?
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"
the US is not a pseudo-socialist dictatorship. dictatorship and oligarchy tends to destroy freedoms and rights, whether it is socialist or not. did your grammar school source explore that?
the US is a capitalist economy and a constitutional, democratic republic. nevertheless, which government has built more hospitals, and put more pensions behind retirees, pol pot's cambodia or the united states?
setting aside your stupid ideology and broken-record anecdotes from some of the lamest sources i've seen in a while, what does the above comparative analysis say about those who characterize social policy in the US with that of the worst regimes in recent history? can it be said these regimes were socialist at all?
If you're winning solution is socialism of America you have lost even if it happens.
"When asking how does socialism work, make sure you realize that it works in a way that tends to destroy the precious freedoms and rights Americans currently enjoy"
I like public libraries and knowing that a man who's injured at work won't see his family starve.
I like knowing that we can all receive emergency medical care when we need it without first being asked how we're going to pay for it.
I like regulations that ended paper mills' practive of dumping waste into local rivers.
Did Reb just ask if someone else understands, after he cited a dictionary entry as a detailed explanation of a number of ideologies and linked to a page with 'The Obama Deception'?
GO read those links I gave you
Why is it that most Communist country always had a socialist system?
Workers' comp was won by the labour movement. Read a book- the labour movement grew out of the socialist/communst movement and can be traced back to the International Workingmen's Association and those groups which followed it.
Really? Taxes upon your private earnings going to public hospitals to provide no-direct-cost emergency medical care to all in need has nothing to do with socialism?
Right...
Regulations that inhibit free enterprise and subject private industry to the limitations placed upon it by the State, in the interest of the public good... has nothing to do with socialism... Nor the taxes upon those industries to fund the agencies intended to regulate them and fund government actions to clean up their mess...
right...
I'm pretty sure the socialists know more about socialism than you do.
Why is it that most Communist country always had a socialist system?
Do YOU know what you're babbling about?
Workers' comp was won by the labour movement. Read a book- the labour movement grew out of the socialist/communst movement and can be traced back to the International Workingmen's Association and those groups which followed it.
Really? Taxes upon your private earnings going to public hospitals to provide no-direct-cost emergency medical care to all in need has nothing to do with socialism?
Right...
Regulations that inhibit free enterprise and subject private industry to the limitations placed upon it by the State, in the interest of the public good... has nothing to do with socialism... Nor the taxes upon those industries to fund the agencies intended to regulate them and fund government actions to clean up their mess...
right...
I'm pretty sure the socialists know more about socialism than you do.
Why is it that most Communist country always had a socialist system?
Do YOU know what you're babbling about?
Why do you always find socialism in a communist country?
Workers' comp was won by the labour movement. Read a book- the labour movement grew out of the socialist/communst movement and can be traced back to the International Workingmen's Association and those groups which followed it.
Really? Taxes upon your private earnings going to public hospitals to provide no-direct-cost emergency medical care to all in need has nothing to do with socialism?
Right...
Regulations that inhibit free enterprise and subject private industry to the limitations placed upon it by the State, in the interest of the public good... has nothing to do with socialism... Nor the taxes upon those industries to fund the agencies intended to regulate them and fund government actions to clean up their mess...
right...
I'm pretty sure the socialists know more about socialism than you do.
Do YOU know what you're babbling about?
Why do you always find socialism in a communist country?
Why do you always find socialism in every developed nation?
Workers' comp was won by the labour movement. Read a book- the labour movement grew out of the socialist/communst movement and can be traced back to the International Workingmen's Association and those groups which followed it.
Really? Taxes upon your private earnings going to public hospitals to provide no-direct-cost emergency medical care to all in need has nothing to do with socialism?
Right...
Regulations that inhibit free enterprise and subject private industry to the limitations placed upon it by the State, in the interest of the public good... has nothing to do with socialism... Nor the taxes upon those industries to fund the agencies intended to regulate them and fund government actions to clean up their mess...
right...
I'm pretty sure the socialists know more about socialism than you do.
Why is it that most Communist country always had a socialist system?
Do YOU know what you're babbling about?
Why do you always find socialism in a communist country?
Workers' comp was won by the labour movement. Read a book- the labour movement grew out of the socialist/communst movement and can be traced back to the International Workingmen's Association and those groups which followed it.
Really? Taxes upon your private earnings going to public hospitals to provide no-direct-cost emergency medical care to all in need has nothing to do with socialism?
Right...
Regulations that inhibit free enterprise and subject private industry to the limitations placed upon it by the State, in the interest of the public good... has nothing to do with socialism... Nor the taxes upon those industries to fund the agencies intended to regulate them and fund government actions to clean up their mess...
right...
I'm pretty sure the socialists know more about socialism than you do.
Do YOU know what you're babbling about?
Why do you always find socialism in a communist country?
HUH?
Why do you always find a vagina in women?
.
Why do you always find socialism in a communist country?
Why do you always find socialism in every developed nation?
Stalin Communist socialist murdered 20 million
Hitler socialist murdered six plus million
Mao Ze-Dong socialist murdered 49-78 million
Kim Il Sung socialist murdered 1.6 million
Pol Pot Socialist murdered 1,700,000 million
Castro socialist murdered 30 thousand.
Why do you always find socialism in every developed nation?
Stalin Communist socialist murdered 20 million
Hitler socialist murdered six plus million
Mao Ze-Dong socialist murdered 49-78 million
Kim Il Sung socialist murdered 1.6 million
Pol Pot Socialist murdered 1,700,000 million
Castro socialist murdered 30 thousand.
I'll take that as you saying: "That every developed nation in the world employs socialism to vary degrees is a fact that I can't square with with my 'argument', so I'll just start trolling."
It's okay, I'm not expecting you to comprehend the nuances of socialism, and to understand that using communism and socialism interchangeably is like using anarchist and conservative interchangeably, and that liberal democracies use socialism too. That wouldn't fit your agenda here.
We're over one-hundred posts in and you're still grasping at your slippery-slope. Keep it up, I'm sure there's a few conservatives, I mean anarchists, that are on your side.
Why do you always find socialism in a communist country?
HUH?
Why do you always find a vagina in women?
.
Well can you answer my question or was your reply a hit and run?
Great song-and-dance.Just to throw a wrench into this thread, here's an excerpt from The Wealth of Nations, that book written by the so-called "father of capitalism", Adam Smith.
Is this improvement in the circumstances of the lower ranks of the people to be regarded as an advantage or as an inconveniency to the society? The answer seems at first sight abundantly plain. Servants, labourers and workmen of different kinds, make up the far greater part of every great political society. But what improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconveniency to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, cloath and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, cloathed and lodged.
An inquiry into the nature and ... - Google Books
What a socialist!
Stalin Communist socialist murdered 20 million
Hitler socialist murdered six plus million
Mao Ze-Dong socialist murdered 49-78 million
Kim Il Sung socialist murdered 1.6 million
Pol Pot Socialist murdered 1,700,000 million
Castro socialist murdered 30 thousand.
I'll take that as you saying: "That every developed nation in the world employs socialism to vary degrees is a fact that I can't square with with my 'argument', so I'll just start trolling."
It's okay, I'm not expecting you to comprehend the nuances of socialism, and to understand that using communism and socialism interchangeably is like using anarchist and conservative interchangeably, and that liberal democracies use socialism too. That wouldn't fit your agenda here.
We're over one-hundred posts in and you're still grasping at your slippery-slope. Keep it up, I'm sure there's a few conservatives, I mean anarchists, that are on your side.
Can't find an arguement so you go off on a tangent. Saul Alinsky taught you well but I am a quick learner I know his teaching. SO no comment on how many people have been murdered at the hands of a socialist?
I'll take that as you saying: "That every developed nation in the world employs socialism to vary degrees is a fact that I can't square with with my 'argument', so I'll just start trolling."
It's okay, I'm not expecting you to comprehend the nuances of socialism, and to understand that using communism and socialism interchangeably is like using anarchist and conservative interchangeably, and that liberal democracies use socialism too. That wouldn't fit your agenda here.
We're over one-hundred posts in and you're still grasping at your slippery-slope. Keep it up, I'm sure there's a few conservatives, I mean anarchists, that are on your side.
Can't find an arguement so you go off on a tangent. Saul Alinsky taught you well but I am a quick learner I know his teaching. SO no comment on how many people have been murdered at the hands of a socialist?
I don't know who Saul Alinsky is, but it's probably meant to be an insult?
You've been doing mainly two things in the thread:
a) using socialism and communism interchangeably, and ignoring the more moderate and common forms of socialism that exist in every developed part of the globe.
b) you have been linking socialism at large, and communism specifically, to authoritarianism. I don't dispute those figures you posted, not do I dispute the fact that they used centrally-planned economies. What else is a benevolent dictator to do?
But where your argument fails, where you've been failing this entire thread, is to recognize that socialism is not confined to authoritarian regimes; it exists in all developed nations, and has been common throughout the industrialized world since the Industrial Revolution. Maybe you want to take this country back to the 1870's?
That the Nazis used a form of radical socialism (ethnocentric socialism) is no more a condemnation of socialism as whole than it is a condemnation of parliamentary democracy because the Nazis were put into the Reichstag by over thirty percent of the German electorate.
I wouldn't be surprised if Glen Beck shapes your 'understanding' of socialism. You probably think Obama is going to be this country's Augustus Caesar.
3. Soicalism does lead to an authoritarian regime would you want to live in China or Stalins Russia?
