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Why should we believe a indoctrinated college grad like him?1. Dr. Thomas Sowell, in “Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One,” challenges individuals to analyze not only their short term (Stage One) impact but to also think ahead to their long term (Stage Two, Three, etc) impact.
1 ."...Why should we believe a indoctrinated...."
That should be AN indoctrinated.....
Bad grammar makes me (sic).
2. "...indoctrinated college grad like him?"
Jeeezzzz....one mistake after another!!!
And in a single sentence!!!
Not all succumb to to the indoctrination.....only the weak, i.e., Liberals.
Bad grammar makes me (sic).
Why should we believe a indoctrinated college grad like him?1. Dr. Thomas Sowell, in Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One, challenges individuals to analyze not only their short term (Stage One) impact but to also think ahead to their long term (Stage Two, Three, etc) impact.
If you had any idea who Thomas Sowell is, or what he has supported, accomplished and where he stands on indoctrination ... You wouldn't ask the question.
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Yes, and the thing I notice is that companies are more & more worried about their futures, so they won't hire or expand for hardly any reasoning in which they are given to do so now (the trust is gone). I know of a company that kept trainee's in the wings always, and they were training just about every week it seemed, and it had a wide array of people in age groups working for it. Now this company since the crisis, has all but deminished to just about nothing over the years since, and it definitley isn't looking to hire anyone. It won't even upgrade it's equipment. It seems that the company is just running on "borrowed" time. The interesting thing however, is that the owners are spending money like mad on personal things, but won't do anything to improve upon or invest in the future of the company. I know of many companies in our area alone, that have gone out of business, and the owners have moved to the beaches or they are building huge homes on large parcels of land right now. HUH ?College???
Value??
What would you say if you found out that those who didn't attend college were more likely to be debt-free and home-owners than those who did?
Judging by the low caliber of education college provides- indoctrination doesn't count as education- it is only a good deal if the financial burden is less than the future earnings.
Simple economics---even a Liberal should understand that.
1. It has been widely reported that college student debt has been increasing in recent years as the cost of higher education increases at public and private institutions
and as more students enroll in postsecondary institutions.
In 2010, student loan debt
about $1 trillion exceeded the amount that Americans owed in credit debt and the cost of a college education increased at a rate greater than inflation over the past three decades. Nearly 6 in 10 (56%) of the recent college graduates in our survey
borrowed from a government program or private banking institution. Another 8% said they borrowed money from a parent or relative that they are going to pay back.
Where, exactly, does 'borrow' fit into the list of values we teach?
2. Upon graduation, the majority of students (55%) owed $20,000 (median) to pay off the costs of their education. .... the median public college or university debt was $18,680 whereas private college debt was $24,460. Male graduates owed $5,000 more than female graduates ($25,000 versus $20,000). Recent college graduates enrolled in graduate and professional programs already owed $10,000 more than those who have not
pursued additional education ($20,000 versus $30,000).
3. One to five years since graduation, most of the students in our survey have made very
little progress in paying down their debt. Only 13% have paid off all of their debts for
their college education; one in four has not paid off any of it, thus far (see Figure 10).
Four in ten who graduated in 2009, 2010, and 2011 reported that they yet to pay off
any of their debt. Compounding their financial challenges is the fact that nearly half
(46%) reported that they also have other financial debts, such as credit cards.
4. These findings are understandable given the labor market difficulties and modest
earnings that recent college graduates are experiencing, as noted above. Just over
half were employed full time. Nearly one in four were either unemployed (6%), or unemployed and not looking for work (5%) or working part time and looking for full-time
work, (6%) or not working while attending graduate school (6%).
College graduates enrolled in graduate and professional education are borrowing additional funds for tuition and living expenses and, with few exceptions, are struggling to pay off their undergraduate debts.
Over 6 in 10 students enrolled in graduate and professional school have not paid off any of their debt.
5. The burden of student loans reveals its impact in the lifestyle decisions made by
young college graduates (see Figure 11). More than one in four (27%) said their decision to live with parents or family members was due to the need to save money that
could be directed to pay off their college loans.
Significant numbers of students are also taking jobs they are not enthusiastic about so they can pay down their loans(25%) or delaying the further education that most think they will need (28%). Nearly one in five have taken a second job to help pay all their bills.
The debt burden is also influencing the decisions of 40% of our respondents to delay major purchases such as a car or house. Another 14% also reported that they are delaying marriage or other committed relationships due to their loan obligations.
6. Most recent college graduates are also far from financially independent of their parents or other family members (see Figure 12). Family members are helping their young
graduates with basic necessities, such as food (22%), health care (15%), housing
(30%), and car payments (9%). Overall, 51% of the respondents to our survey get financial support from their parents or relatives.
7. Todays graduates from four-year colleges are entering the labor market with a sense
of insecurity about their preparation. While it is, of course, perceptual and they may
not have any way of actually knowing, half of them felt they are less well prepared for
the world of work than was the generation before them. Just 28% felt they are better
prepared, and 21% felt that they are similarly prepared to the previous generation.
http://www.heldrich.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/content/Chasing_American_Dream_Report.pdf
"Education" is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberals, and the results are the result of Liberal policies.
Remember that, graduates.
Join the military under the GI Bill ... Save money while the government feeds, clothes and houses you while in the service.
Attend college for free ... Have enough money to buy a small house, car and have fun while in college.
Graduate college ... Sell the house and car ... Buy another house, car and boat.
Put the pretty diploma in a nice frame ... Forget about it and get a real job.
Work circles around your co-workers ... Get all the extra training possible.
Advance your career by leaps and bounds compared to others ... Using the skills you learned in the military in regards to teamwork, time management, mission focus and a drive for excellence.
Sell the house, car, boat ... Buy new ones ... Open a business and laugh at people who complain about being stuck in debt because they went to college and are as dumb as a box of rocks.
Edit:
I forgot to mention that there is still risk involved ... You may get killed or torn up before you ever get to the second sentence.
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Sounds a lot like my own story. I joined the military and saved a lot of money-of course there is not much to spend on when you are "haze grey underway".
After 4 years active - I Used GI Bill to pay for college. I also stayed in the reserves for the extra cash and benefits.
Meanwhile I got a full time job and attended college at night. With the GI bill I bought a small house for $1.00 down and rented out rooms to my buddies to afford the mortgage. I worked my ass off and improved the house. I sold that house and used part of the profit to start my own company and never looked back.....
Join the military under the GI Bill ... Save money while the government feeds, clothes and houses you while in the service.
Attend college for free ... Have enough money to buy a small house, car and have fun while in college.
Graduate college ... Sell the house and car ... Buy another house, car and boat.
Put the pretty diploma in a nice frame ... Forget about it and get a real job.
Work circles around your co-workers ... Get all the extra training possible.
Advance your career by leaps and bounds compared to others ... Using the skills you learned in the military in regards to teamwork, time management, mission focus and a drive for excellence.
Sell the house, car, boat ... Buy new ones ... Open a business and laugh at people who complain about being stuck in debt because they went to college and are as dumb as a box of rocks.
Edit:
I forgot to mention that there is still risk involved ... You may get killed or torn up before you ever get to the second sentence.
.
Sounds a lot like my own story. I joined the military and saved a lot of money-of course there is not much to spend on when you are "haze grey underway".
After 4 years active - I Used GI Bill to pay for college. I also stayed in the reserves for the extra cash and benefits.
Meanwhile I got a full time job and attended college at night. With the GI bill I bought a small house for $1.00 down and rented out rooms to my buddies to afford the mortgage. I worked my ass off and improved the house. I sold that house and used part of the profit to start my own company and never looked back.....
The American Dream. You worked hard and you worked smart and you are a success, because you achieved something you set up to do.
Leave it to a Plutocrat to focus on "the root of all evil" and to offer a subjective opinion that "Education" (why in quotes?) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberals (sic liberals).
One must assume in the Plutocrats opinion that a liberal arts education is not "Education" at all but simply a process to inculcate a political agenda into the masses, i.e. propaganda.
. According to her university web page, Dr. Miller-Young’s “areas of emphasis” are “black cultural studies, pornography and sex work.” She appears to teach four courses: “Women of Color,” “Sexual Cultures Special Topics,” “Feminist Research and Practice,” and “Sexualities.” She holds a Ph.D. in “American History and History of the African Diaspora” from New York University. The title of her dissertation, a book version of which is forthcoming from Duke University Press, is “A Taste for Brown Sugar: The History of Black Women in American Pornography.” She has contributed to such organs as $pread, “a quarterly magazine by and for sex workers and those who support their rights,” Colorlines, a magazine with “articles concerning race, culture, and organizing,” and the New York Times, a paper that — well, you know. Dr. Miller-Young, again according to her web page, “has won several highly regarded grants and awards,” possibly for her contributions to C’Lick Me: A Netporn Studies Reader and The Feminist Porn Book: The Politics of Producing Pleasure.
Join the military under the GI Bill ... Save money while the government feeds, clothes and houses you while in the service.
Attend college for free ... Have enough money to buy a small house, car and have fun while in college.
Graduate college ... Sell the house and car ... Buy another house, car and boat.
Put the pretty diploma in a nice frame ... Forget about it and get a real job.
Work circles around your co-workers ... Get all the extra training possible.
Advance your career by leaps and bounds compared to others ... Using the skills you learned in the military in regards to teamwork, time management, mission focus and a drive for excellence.
Sell the house, car, boat ... Buy new ones ... Open a business and laugh at people who complain about being stuck in debt because they went to college and are as dumb as a box of rocks.
Edit:
I forgot to mention that there is still risk involved ... You may get killed or torn up before you ever get to the second sentence.
.
Sounds a lot like my own story. I joined the military and saved a lot of money-of course there is not much to spend on when you are "haze grey underway".
After 4 years active - I Used GI Bill to pay for college. I also stayed in the reserves for the extra cash and benefits.
Meanwhile I got a full time job and attended college at night. With the GI bill I bought a small house for $1.00 down and rented out rooms to my buddies to afford the mortgage. I worked my ass off and improved the house. I sold that house and used part of the profit to start my own company and never looked back.....
Leave it to a Plutocrat to focus on "the root of all evil" and to offer a subjective opinion that "Education" (why in quotes?) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberals (sic liberals).
One must assume in the Plutocrats opinion that a liberal arts education is not "Education" at all but simply a process to inculcate a political agenda into the masses, i.e. propaganda.
Would you want your child to major in a program with classes taught by Dr. Mireille Miller-Young?
An anti-abortion ministry known for its aggressive and controversial outreach work is pursuing criminal charges against a UC Santa Barbara professor, who allegedly stole one of its banners, assaulted one of its members, then helped destroy the banner during a confrontation on campus last Tuesday. The UCSB police department is investigating the incident.
UCSB Professor Accused of Assaulting Anti-Abortion Activist The Santa Barbara Independent
What kind of job would someone get if she majored in Dr. Miller Young's specialty?
Mireille Miller-Young is an Associate Professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara. She teaches in the Department of Feminist Studies (an interdisciplinary discipline that produces cutting-edge research, offers an undergraduate major and minor, and houses the minor in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer studies). According to her university web page, Dr. Miller-Youngs areas of emphasis are black cultural studies, pornography and sex work. She appears to teach four courses: Women of Color, Sexual Cultures Special Topics, Feminist Research and Practice, and Sexualities. She holds a Ph.D. in American History and History of the African Diaspora from New York University. The title of her dissertation, a book version of which is forthcoming from Duke University Press, is A Taste for Brown Sugar: The History of Black Women in American Pornography. She has contributed to such organs as $pread, a quarterly magazine by and for sex workers and those who support their rights, Colorlines, a magazine with articles concerning race, culture, and organizing, and the New York Times, a paper that well, you know. Dr. Miller-Young, again according to her web page, has won several highly regarded grants and awards, possibly for her contributions to CLick Me: A Netporn Studies Reader and The Feminist Porn Book: The Politics of Producing Pleasure.
Roger?s Rules » The Meaning of Mireille Miller-Young, or Free Speech for Me, Theft, Battery, and Vandalism for Thee
And one more question. Are the classes above the modern day equivalent of the former liberal arts curriculum which required history, classical philosophy, languages, math, science....?
I'll answer as you are in capable.
No. Dr. Miller-Young teaches pop culture crap that is of no benefit to the student nor the society at large other than to the political and cultural groups that prey on said student.
Yes, and the thing I notice is that companies are more & more worried about their futures, so they won't hire or expand for hardly any reasoning in which they are given to do so now (the trust is gone). I know of a company that kept trainee's in the wings always, and they were training just about every week it seemed, and it had a wide array of people in age groups working for it. Now this company since the crisis, has all but deminished to just about nothing over the years since, and it definitley isn't looking to hire anyone. It won't even upgrade it's equipment. It seems that the company is just running on "borrowed" time. The interesting thing however, is that the owners are spending money like mad on personal things, but won't do anything to improve upon or invest in the future of the company. I know of many companies in our area alone, that have gone out of business, and the owners have moved to the beaches or they are building huge homes on large parcels of land right now. HUH ?College???
Value??
What would you say if you found out that those who didn't attend college were more likely to be debt-free and home-owners than those who did?
Judging by the low caliber of education college provides- indoctrination doesn't count as education- it is only a good deal if the financial burden is less than the future earnings.
Simple economics---even a Liberal should understand that.
1. It has been widely reported that college student debt has been increasing in recent years as the cost of higher education increases at public and private institutions
and as more students enroll in postsecondary institutions.
In 2010, student loan debt
about $1 trillion exceeded the amount that Americans owed in credit debt and the cost of a college education increased at a rate greater than inflation over the past three decades. Nearly 6 in 10 (56%) of the recent college graduates in our survey
borrowed from a government program or private banking institution. Another 8% said they borrowed money from a parent or relative that they are going to pay back.
Where, exactly, does 'borrow' fit into the list of values we teach?
2. Upon graduation, the majority of students (55%) owed $20,000 (median) to pay off the costs of their education. .... the median public college or university debt was $18,680 whereas private college debt was $24,460. Male graduates owed $5,000 more than female graduates ($25,000 versus $20,000). Recent college graduates enrolled in graduate and professional programs already owed $10,000 more than those who have not
pursued additional education ($20,000 versus $30,000).
3. One to five years since graduation, most of the students in our survey have made very
little progress in paying down their debt. Only 13% have paid off all of their debts for
their college education; one in four has not paid off any of it, thus far (see Figure 10).
Four in ten who graduated in 2009, 2010, and 2011 reported that they yet to pay off
any of their debt. Compounding their financial challenges is the fact that nearly half
(46%) reported that they also have other financial debts, such as credit cards.
4. These findings are understandable given the labor market difficulties and modest
earnings that recent college graduates are experiencing, as noted above. Just over
half were employed full time. Nearly one in four were either unemployed (6%), or unemployed and not looking for work (5%) or working part time and looking for full-time
work, (6%) or not working while attending graduate school (6%).
College graduates enrolled in graduate and professional education are borrowing additional funds for tuition and living expenses and, with few exceptions, are struggling to pay off their undergraduate debts.
Over 6 in 10 students enrolled in graduate and professional school have not paid off any of their debt.
5. The burden of student loans reveals its impact in the lifestyle decisions made by
young college graduates (see Figure 11). More than one in four (27%) said their decision to live with parents or family members was due to the need to save money that
could be directed to pay off their college loans.
Significant numbers of students are also taking jobs they are not enthusiastic about so they can pay down their loans(25%) or delaying the further education that most think they will need (28%). Nearly one in five have taken a second job to help pay all their bills.
The debt burden is also influencing the decisions of 40% of our respondents to delay major purchases such as a car or house. Another 14% also reported that they are delaying marriage or other committed relationships due to their loan obligations.
6. Most recent college graduates are also far from financially independent of their parents or other family members (see Figure 12). Family members are helping their young
graduates with basic necessities, such as food (22%), health care (15%), housing
(30%), and car payments (9%). Overall, 51% of the respondents to our survey get financial support from their parents or relatives.
7. Todays graduates from four-year colleges are entering the labor market with a sense
of insecurity about their preparation. While it is, of course, perceptual and they may
not have any way of actually knowing, half of them felt they are less well prepared for
the world of work than was the generation before them. Just 28% felt they are better
prepared, and 21% felt that they are similarly prepared to the previous generation.
http://www.heldrich.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/content/Chasing_American_Dream_Report.pdf
"Education" is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberals, and the results are the result of Liberal policies.
Remember that, graduates.
I will say this, that if people don't get back into working for the strength of this nation soon, and this instead of for themselves and themselves only, then this nation is done. The government will take over, and the private sector will become an impotent player in the end. Keep it up all you idiots out there, because you are sealing the deal and you just don't know it. Crawl yourselves up into your holes, but soon those holes will be all that is left for you, because venturing out of them into a waistland you have helped to create, won't be a comfortable thing for you or your family to find yourselves in as a result of. How you can't see this is beyond me. The history of the world is at your finger tips, yet somehow you are all blind now ? That's my take!
Yes, and the thing I notice is that companies are more & more worried about their futures, so they won't hire or expand for hardly any reasoning in which they are given to do so now (the trust is gone). I know of a company that kept trainee's in the wings always, and they were training just about every week it seemed, and it had a wide array of people in age groups working for it. Now this company since the crisis, has all but deminished to just about nothing over the years since, and it definitley isn't looking to hire anyone. It won't even upgrade it's equipment. It seems that the company is just running on "borrowed" time. The interesting thing however, is that the owners are spending money like mad on personal things, but won't do anything to improve upon or invest in the future of the company. I know of many companies in our area alone, that have gone out of business, and the owners have moved to the beaches or they are building huge homes on large parcels of land right now. HUH ?College???
Value??
What would you say if you found out that those who didn't attend college were more likely to be debt-free and home-owners than those who did?
Judging by the low caliber of education college provides- indoctrination doesn't count as education- it is only a good deal if the financial burden is less than the future earnings.
Simple economics---even a Liberal should understand that.
1. It has been widely reported that college student debt has been increasing in recent years as the cost of higher education increases at public and private institutions
and as more students enroll in postsecondary institutions.
In 2010, student loan debt
about $1 trillion exceeded the amount that Americans owed in credit debt and the cost of a college education increased at a rate greater than inflation over the past three decades. Nearly 6 in 10 (56%) of the recent college graduates in our survey
borrowed from a government program or private banking institution. Another 8% said they borrowed money from a parent or relative that they are going to pay back.
Where, exactly, does 'borrow' fit into the list of values we teach?
2. Upon graduation, the majority of students (55%) owed $20,000 (median) to pay off the costs of their education. .... the median public college or university debt was $18,680 whereas private college debt was $24,460. Male graduates owed $5,000 more than female graduates ($25,000 versus $20,000). Recent college graduates enrolled in graduate and professional programs already owed $10,000 more than those who have not
pursued additional education ($20,000 versus $30,000).
3. One to five years since graduation, most of the students in our survey have made very
little progress in paying down their debt. Only 13% have paid off all of their debts for
their college education; one in four has not paid off any of it, thus far (see Figure 10).
Four in ten who graduated in 2009, 2010, and 2011 reported that they yet to pay off
any of their debt. Compounding their financial challenges is the fact that nearly half
(46%) reported that they also have other financial debts, such as credit cards.
4. These findings are understandable given the labor market difficulties and modest
earnings that recent college graduates are experiencing, as noted above. Just over
half were employed full time. Nearly one in four were either unemployed (6%), or unemployed and not looking for work (5%) or working part time and looking for full-time
work, (6%) or not working while attending graduate school (6%).
College graduates enrolled in graduate and professional education are borrowing additional funds for tuition and living expenses and, with few exceptions, are struggling to pay off their undergraduate debts.
Over 6 in 10 students enrolled in graduate and professional school have not paid off any of their debt.
5. The burden of student loans reveals its impact in the lifestyle decisions made by
young college graduates (see Figure 11). More than one in four (27%) said their decision to live with parents or family members was due to the need to save money that
could be directed to pay off their college loans.
Significant numbers of students are also taking jobs they are not enthusiastic about so they can pay down their loans(25%) or delaying the further education that most think they will need (28%). Nearly one in five have taken a second job to help pay all their bills.
The debt burden is also influencing the decisions of 40% of our respondents to delay major purchases such as a car or house. Another 14% also reported that they are delaying marriage or other committed relationships due to their loan obligations.
6. Most recent college graduates are also far from financially independent of their parents or other family members (see Figure 12). Family members are helping their young
graduates with basic necessities, such as food (22%), health care (15%), housing
(30%), and car payments (9%). Overall, 51% of the respondents to our survey get financial support from their parents or relatives.
7. Todays graduates from four-year colleges are entering the labor market with a sense
of insecurity about their preparation. While it is, of course, perceptual and they may
not have any way of actually knowing, half of them felt they are less well prepared for
the world of work than was the generation before them. Just 28% felt they are better
prepared, and 21% felt that they are similarly prepared to the previous generation.
http://www.heldrich.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/content/Chasing_American_Dream_Report.pdf
"Education" is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberals, and the results are the result of Liberal policies.
Remember that, graduates.
I will say this, that if people don't get back into working for the strength of this nation soon, and this instead of for themselves and themselves only, then this nation is done. The government will take over, and the private sector will become an impotent player in the end. Keep it up all you idiots out there, because you are sealing the deal and you just don't know it. Crawl yourselves up into your holes, but soon those holes will be all that is left for you, because venturing out of them into a waistland you have helped to create, won't be a comfortable thing for you or your family to find yourselves in as a result of. How you can't see this is beyond me. The history of the world is at your finger tips, yet somehow you are all blind now ? That's my take!
Your take (gulp) is close to what I believe; close because the people you note in the first sentence of your second paragraph are different from the people I would point out. In a manner in which you might understand, I proceed.
A. It's not those who are receiving Social Security/SSI, or Medicare/PPACA or assistance on the state or local level who are the great threat, it is those who have great wealth and power who think (mostly) about themselves.
1. The potential for the Government to take over is backward, what we can expect if we don't heed JFK's words in his inaugural address ("Ask not ...") is that those who think only of themselves (think Koch Brothers and lesser members of the Industrial/Military and Polluters Oligarchy) will have purchased majorities and key leaders in local, state legislatures and The Congress; then the Oligarchies will 'elect' one of their own to be Speaker of the House, Majority Leader of the Senate and President of the United States. Soon the Supreme Court will be 'packed' with Oligarchs.
a. Then democracy will have been extinguished in America. Eventually, and it may take decades if not generations, the people will rise again, as history tells us our progeny will one day be faced with a 'democratic spring'. Will it be lead by a demagogue and a charlatan, or a true man of the people, time will tell - but the American Dream will have long ago perished from the earth.
Regardless of everything one does not become an engineer, doctor, accountant, lawyer, etch without higher education. Who aspires to barely eek it by? We don't need low wage workers. We need a lot more high wage workers. And the key to that is a degree. Indoctrination or not, we don't want the company factory owners to win by hiring people for the lowest labor costs. As you have stated, its about choices and one must choose not to work for slave wages when they can do so much better. How is this achieved? Hard work and higher education. If one is weak they give into the indoctrination. If they are strong, they look past it. Phasing out low wage jobs by leaving them unfilled will only help businesses and people. Leave $10 an hour and under for kids only.
Let's be honest.....
...you're only here because I destroy everything you most firmly believe, and your complaints about format is your alternative to gnashing your teeth.
True?
Either that, or you mis-dialed again, looking for the incontinence hotline....
Here we go again, lead with an ad hominem (framed in the voice of a narcissist); fill in the blanks with RL 'style' gobbledygook, and end with an ad hominem. Classic PC.
You imagine "narcissist" to be a pejorative?
That's only because you have a deep and abiding.....and totally compelling, self-hatred.
Well-earned, I might add.
And, your education continues: rather than continuing to be as dull and boring, repetitive and insipid as usual, consider alternating narcissist with prideful, or solipsistic.....
Try to be more thoughtful........Ooooops! Hit on your weakness again.
