'The City That Bush Built'

[TheGreatGatsby]

Bin Laden and Saddam were heartless murderers; they were'n't freedom fighters, dude. Your POV nonsense is a total cop-out. You want to indict Reagan, Bush, Clinton, whomever; then fine. But that doesn't mean that OBL and Saddam weren't heinous mass murderers. No POV justifies their BS.

Of course they were heinous mass murderers. So are a lot of people who have statues in public places.

The difference between Heinous Mass Murderers and National Hero is the difference between Losers and Winners.

Fine...but none of this refutes that a national population of Kurds are peacefully thriving in part thanks to the 'politics' of Dubya.

 

[JoeB131]

Fine...but none of this refutes that a national population of Kurds are peacefully thriving in part thanks to the 'politics' of Dubya.

You mean other than they are at war with ISIS and the Iraqi government and the Turks, now, they are the most peaceful folks you'd want to meet... who totally played us for chumps and picked our pockets.

Well, at least that money didn't go to them welfare people!

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Fine...but none of this refutes that a national population of Kurds are peacefully thriving in part thanks to the 'politics' of Dubya.

You mean other than they are at war with ISIS and the Iraqi government and the Turks, now, they are the most peaceful folks you'd want to meet... who totally played us for chumps and picked our pockets.

Well, at least that money didn't go to them welfare people!

They're not at war with the Turks or the Iraqis. There will always be tensions when a controlling government tries to rule over and autonomous people. And you mean that ISIS is trying to establish a totalitarian rule, dumb fuck.

 

[boilermaker55]

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

It was a war of lies. It sure is funny you neglected to name one republican.
That makes your credibility..............ZERO

Do you remember this was a war conceived on lies and trumped up information.

Would you trade 4000 lives for each city in the ME we could make a bit more pleasant?

You are one sick fuck.

Listen i kind of like your intelegent liberal posts
But on this one you are so wrong, do you think 400,000 Americans death were in vain in world war II? You do know 72 million plus died in that war
WW2 Statistics

Yes those 4,000 deaths were worth it.

I don't remember the lies unless you are calling these people liars.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

 

[TooTall]

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

It was a war of lies. It sure is funny you neglected to name one republican.
That makes your credibility..............ZERO

Do you remember this was a war conceived on lies and trumped up information.

Listen i kind of like your intelegent liberal posts
But on this one you are so wrong, do you think 400,000 Americans death were in vain in world war II? You do know 72 million plus died in that war
WW2 Statistics

Yes those 4,000 deaths were worth it.

I don't remember the lies unless you are calling these people liars.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

 

[boilermaker55]

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

It was a war of lies. It sure is funny you neglected to name one republican.
That makes your credibility..............ZERO

Do you remember this was a war conceived on lies and trumped up information.

I don't remember the lies unless you are calling these people liars.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

 

[TooTall]

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

It was a war of lies. It sure is funny you neglected to name one republican.
That makes your credibility..............ZERO

I don't remember the lies unless you are calling these people liars.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

 

[JoeB131]

They're not at war with the Turks or the Iraqis. There will always be tensions when a controlling government tries to rule over and autonomous people. And you mean that ISIS is trying to establish a totalitarian rule, dumb fuck.

You mean they aren't right now. They have in the past. That's how peace-loving they are.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

They're not at war with the Turks or the Iraqis. There will always be tensions when a controlling government tries to rule over and autonomous people. And you mean that ISIS is trying to establish a totalitarian rule, dumb fuck.

You mean they aren't right now. They have in the past. That's how peace-loving they are.

What race has not allegedly been in or started a war? As it stands, the Kurds are an industrious, prosperous people. You just can't wrap your head around it cos you have to magnate everything to your spiteful narrative(s).

 

[JoeB131]

What race has not allegedly been in or started a war? As it stands, the Kurds are an industrious, prosperous people. You just can't wrap your head around it cos you have to magnate everything to your spiteful narrative(s).

No, I just don't think the Kurds being able to establish a kleptocracy based on ripping off the American Taxpayer was worth the 4500 american lives lost because your boy Bush wanted to avenge his pappy.

I realize that the Iraq War is something that should be a perpetual stain on the Right, so you guys are DESPERATE to find some silver lining on this dark cloud.

The Kurd Klepto-state isn't it.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

What race has not allegedly been in or started a war? As it stands, the Kurds are an industrious, prosperous people. You just can't wrap your head around it cos you have to magnate everything to your spiteful narrative(s).

No, I just don't think the Kurds being able to establish a kleptocracy based on ripping off the American Taxpayer was worth the 4500 american lives lost because your boy Bush wanted to avenge his pappy.

I realize that the Iraq War is something that should be a perpetual stain on the Right, so you guys are DESPERATE to find some silver lining on this dark cloud.

The Kurd Klepto-state isn't it.

Kleptocracy? You're stupid.

Nobody asked you if it was worth it. That's not what I said. What I said and very clearly is that the stabilization is a good thing. See, you're so DESPERATE to keep your narrative that nothing good came from Iraq that you could never admit that; well that and your blatant RACISM and BIGOTRY.

 

[BlindBoo]

Bin Laden and Saddam were heartless murderers; they were'n't freedom fighters, dude. Your POV nonsense is a total cop-out. You want to indict Reagan, Bush, Clinton, whomever; then fine. But that doesn't mean that OBL and Saddam weren't heinous mass murderers. No POV justifies their BS.

Of course they were heinous mass murderers. So are a lot of people who have statues in public places.

The difference between Heinous Mass Murderers and National Hero is the difference between Losers and Winners.

Fine...but none of this refutes that a national population of Kurds are peacefully thriving in part thanks to the 'politics' of Dubya.

Despite President Bush reckless policy of invasion and occupation.......

Erbil is the capital of the oil-endowed Kurdish Regional Government, in northern Iraq. There the United States built political alliances and equipped Kurdish peshmerga militias long before the Bush Administration’s invasion of Iraq, in 2003. Since 2003, it has been the most stable place in an unstable country. But last week, well-armed guerrillas loyal to the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham, or ISIS, threatened Erbil’s outskirts, forcing Obama’s momentous choice.

Oil and Why America Is Dropping Bombs to Defend Erbil - The New Yorker

 

[boilermaker55]

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

It was a war of lies. It sure is funny you neglected to name one republican.
That makes your credibility..............ZERO

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

 

[TooTall]

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the cease fire as e

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

I named just as many Republicans as you did. I don't consider any of these quotes from Democrats lies. They were saying the same thing that GWB said and it was based on the US intel coming from the Bill Clinton appointed CIA Director and others.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the 1991 cease fire as established by UN resolutions as well as authorization by the US Congress.

 

[boilermaker55]

WMD? Yoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuu forgot!

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the cease fire as e

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

There is a a difference of making up lies than coming to an assumption based on what others tell you. Then there is the way that gwb ignored the facts of others and decided to send troops anyway.

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the 1991 cease fire as established by UN resolutions as well as authorization by the US Congress.

 

[TooTall]

WMD? Yoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuu forgot!

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the cease fire as e

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

GWB seemed to take the word of the leading Democrats based on the intel they had and publicly so stated. One in ten disagreed, and GWB went with the ten. Don't you think the Democrats that voted AYE took their votes seriously?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the 1991 cease fire as established by UN resolutions as well as authorization by the US Congress.

I did forget what these two Democrats that ran for President said. My apologies.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

 

[boilermaker55]

Still ignoring the truth! Hiding behind the skirts of democrats.


George Saddam Hussein Has Weapons of Mass Destruction - YouTube

WMD? Yoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuu forgot!

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the cease fire as e

You mean like some of the leaders in the poor African countries. Why don't we go there and kill their tribal leaders?
Explain what drove us to going to war in Iraq?

Why do people like you insist on trying to push the blame elsewhere?

I guess that is because Saddam Hussein was a tyrant who murdered and starved his own people and got exactly what he deserved.

Material breach of the 1991 cease fire as established by UN resolutions as well as authorization by the US Congress.

I did forget what these two Democrats that ran for President said. My apologies.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

 

[Siete]

wmd ...

 

[JoeB131]

Kleptocracy? You're stupid.

Nobody asked you if it was worth it. That's not what I said. What I said and very clearly is that the stabilization is a good thing. See, you're so DESPERATE to keep your narrative that nothing good came from Iraq that you could never admit that; well that and your blatant RACISM and BIGOTRY.

except its NOT a good thing. stablization would have been leaving Saddam where he was.

The Kurds agitating for Kurdish independence in not only Iraq, but Turkey, Iran and Syria is pretty much the opposite of "Stabilization".

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Kleptocracy? You're stupid.

Nobody asked you if it was worth it. That's not what I said. What I said and very clearly is that the stabilization is a good thing. See, you're so DESPERATE to keep your narrative that nothing good came from Iraq that you could never admit that; well that and your blatant RACISM and BIGOTRY.

except its NOT a good thing. stablization would have been leaving Saddam where he was.

The Kurds agitating for Kurdish independence in not only Iraq, but Turkey, Iran and Syria is pretty much the opposite of "Stabilization".

Okay...first off, it's hacky to say that Saddam was a stabalizing force.

Second off, Kurds do comprise some of the territories you mention. However, that is due to geo-national politics. They are centered and largely into Northern Iraq. An independent Kurdistan is a good thing. As it is, they're autonomous in Norther Iraq and have been.