The British Empire Shame Thread

[yiostheoy]

As a US citizen I am pleased and proud that we were a British colony. They certainly had the recipe for success. The alternative was to be a Spanish or Dutch colony and we have seen how that has turned out in Central America.

To shame the British empire is ridiculous. Without them our world would look much darker and worse off.

Correct. The Brit's at least treated their overseas subjects no worse than their homeland subjects in London or Dublin.

The Americans actually had it quite good.

I'm still surprised they rebelled at all.

It was expensive for the King to defend his worldwide colonies against the French and Indians.

Perhaps he just hit the colonists too hard all at once with his taxation ?!

The USA would have gotten their freedom eventually. Heck even Canada got theirs and they were loyalists to the very end.

Just because you wouldn't foot the bill for the French/Indian War.

What do you mean, Freedom? You weren't Americans then. And becoming them was a long process.

Correct -- the French And Indian War was the first de facto world war in history, and it was very expensive for the King.

The Native North American tribes had freedom, but without guns they could not defend it.

They never evolved beyond the Stone Age to a Bronze or Iron Age unfortunately for them and lucky for the European settlers.

 

[frigidweirdo]

On Australia Day, Google is giving the country a reminder of its dark history

The actions of the British Empire brought shame on Britain.

I am sure that you can find other examples.

The same with any superpower, they get there by trampling on others.

The US, the USSR, England, Spain, France, Portugal, the Dutch, the Germans, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Chinese, and all the others.

I have a better list that goes back all the way to the beginning of history:

Akkadians
Assyrians
Babylonians
Egyptians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Byzantines
Arabs
Venetians
Portuguese
Spanish
English
French
Germans
Russians
Japanese
Americans
Chinese
North Koreans
Israelis
Palestinians
Arabs again

Conspicuously absent from this list is India. India has never hurt anybody else.

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

 

[Dr Grump]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

 

[yiostheoy]

On Australia Day, Google is giving the country a reminder of its dark history

The actions of the British Empire brought shame on Britain.

I am sure that you can find other examples.

The same with any superpower, they get there by trampling on others.

The US, the USSR, England, Spain, France, Portugal, the Dutch, the Germans, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Chinese, and all the others.

I have a better list that goes back all the way to the beginning of history:

Akkadians
Assyrians
Babylonians
Egyptians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Byzantines
Arabs
Venetians
Portuguese
Spanish
English
French
Germans
Russians
Japanese
Americans
Chinese
North Koreans
Israelis
Palestinians
Arabs again

Conspicuously absent from this list is India. India has never hurt anybody else.

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

Is that a crime ??

 

[frigidweirdo]

On Australia Day, Google is giving the country a reminder of its dark history

The actions of the British Empire brought shame on Britain.

I am sure that you can find other examples.

The same with any superpower, they get there by trampling on others.

The US, the USSR, England, Spain, France, Portugal, the Dutch, the Germans, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Chinese, and all the others.

I have a better list that goes back all the way to the beginning of history:

Akkadians
Assyrians
Babylonians
Egyptians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Byzantines
Arabs
Venetians
Portuguese
Spanish
English
French
Germans
Russians
Japanese
Americans
Chinese
North Koreans
Israelis
Palestinians
Arabs again

Conspicuously absent from this list is India. India has never hurt anybody else.

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

Is that a crime ??

Depends on how you want to define a crime. Kashmir certainly is.

 

[yiostheoy]

On Australia Day, Google is giving the country a reminder of its dark history

The actions of the British Empire brought shame on Britain.

I am sure that you can find other examples.

The same with any superpower, they get there by trampling on others.

The US, the USSR, England, Spain, France, Portugal, the Dutch, the Germans, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Chinese, and all the others.

I have a better list that goes back all the way to the beginning of history:

Akkadians
Assyrians
Babylonians
Egyptians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Byzantines
Arabs
Venetians
Portuguese
Spanish
English
French
Germans
Russians
Japanese
Americans
Chinese
North Koreans
Israelis
Palestinians
Arabs again

Conspicuously absent from this list is India. India has never hurt anybody else.

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

Is that a crime ??

Depends on how you want to define a crime. Kashmir certainly is.

Just because they are fighting over the land does not make it a crime.

At this point I am prone to side with India.

After all it was not India that UBL was hiding in, in full view, slaughtering goats and growing vegetables in a multi million dollar compound.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The same with any superpower, they get there by trampling on others.

The US, the USSR, England, Spain, France, Portugal, the Dutch, the Germans, the Romans, the Egyptians, the Chinese, and all the others.

I have a better list that goes back all the way to the beginning of history:

Akkadians
Assyrians
Babylonians
Egyptians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Byzantines
Arabs
Venetians
Portuguese
Spanish
English
French
Germans
Russians
Japanese
Americans
Chinese
North Koreans
Israelis
Palestinians
Arabs again

Conspicuously absent from this list is India. India has never hurt anybody else.

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

Is that a crime ??

Depends on how you want to define a crime. Kashmir certainly is.

Just because they are fighting over the land does not make it a crime.

Is it not a crime to send people to war for pathetic reasons?

I personally think it is. I think people who stir up trouble when they're in government are committing crimes. Problem is there's no one to stick them in front of a court.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

 

[yiostheoy]

I have a better list that goes back all the way to the beginning of history:

Akkadians
Assyrians
Babylonians
Egyptians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Byzantines
Arabs
Venetians
Portuguese
Spanish
English
French
Germans
Russians
Japanese
Americans
Chinese
North Koreans
Israelis
Palestinians
Arabs again

Conspicuously absent from this list is India. India has never hurt anybody else.

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

Is that a crime ??

Depends on how you want to define a crime. Kashmir certainly is.

Just because they are fighting over the land does not make it a crime.

Is it not a crime to send people to war for pathetic reasons?

I personally think it is. I think people who stir up trouble when they're in government are committing crimes. Problem is there's no one to stick them in front of a court.

Whatever India's claim to Kashmir is I am happy with it.

UBL was not hiding in Kashmir.

 

[yiostheoy]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

Name some genocides.

It would help if you justified your radical interpretations as you went along.

But in this case I am happy with a footnote.

Go on ... .

 

[frigidweirdo]

Really? How long have they been at war with Pakistan for? Kashmir?

Is that a crime ??

Depends on how you want to define a crime. Kashmir certainly is.

Just because they are fighting over the land does not make it a crime.

Is it not a crime to send people to war for pathetic reasons?

I personally think it is. I think people who stir up trouble when they're in government are committing crimes. Problem is there's no one to stick them in front of a court.

Whatever India's claim to Kashmir is I am happy with it.

UBL was not hiding in Kashmir.

You're happy with it. Are the Kashmiri people happy with it? Where does a government get its legitimacy from in order to hold land and the people who live in it?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

Name some genocides.

It would help if you justified your radical interpretations as you went along.

But in this case I am happy with a footnote.

Go on ... .

Well, against the Australian peoples.

Report details crimes against Aborigines - World Socialist Web Site

"The genocidal practices perpetrated against Australian Aborigines were the outcome of policies adopted and implemented by all Australian governments from British settlement in 1788 until the present."

British Genocides - New British Empire

Here's a whole website.

NORTH AMERICA: Using Smallpox to Eradicate the Natives
NORTH AMERICA: Biological Warfare against Soldiers and Civilians
AUSTRALIA: Barbarism in Tasmania
KENYA: The Mau Mau Uprising
BENGAL, INDIA: Bengal Famine

And more.......

As for it would help to show stuff. Maybe, however my experience is you don't bother because half the people on here won't read past the first sentence. So until you find who you're dealing with, you keep it short and don't waste time proving things that will go unnoticed.

 

[jillian]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

when did britain commit genocide?

i'm also not sure where you get the idea that some of the people on your list were imperialists.

 

[yiostheoy]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

Name some genocides.

It would help if you justified your radical interpretations as you went along.

But in this case I am happy with a footnote.

Go on ... .

Well, against the Australian peoples.

Report details crimes against Aborigines - World Socialist Web Site

"The genocidal practices perpetrated against Australian Aborigines were the outcome of policies adopted and implemented by all Australian governments from British settlement in 1788 until the present."

British Genocides - New British Empire

Here's a whole website.

NORTH AMERICA: Using Smallpox to Eradicate the Natives
NORTH AMERICA: Biological Warfare against Soldiers and Civilians
AUSTRALIA: Barbarism in Tasmania
KENYA: The Mau Mau Uprising
BENGAL, INDIA: Bengal Famine

And more.......

As for it would help to show stuff. Maybe, however my experience is you don't bother because half the people on here won't read past the first sentence. So until you find who you're dealing with, you keep it short and don't waste time proving things that will go unnoticed.

You're ranting about Mother Nature.

Mother Nature was not kind to native North Americans or Meso Americans or South Americans.

Germs killed most of them off.

The British did not kill any of them off.

The French enlisted the Indians for their world war against the British.

Thus the Indians became French pawns.

Blame France.

 

[yiostheoy]

Is that a crime ??

Depends on how you want to define a crime. Kashmir certainly is.

Just because they are fighting over the land does not make it a crime.

Is it not a crime to send people to war for pathetic reasons?

I personally think it is. I think people who stir up trouble when they're in government are committing crimes. Problem is there's no one to stick them in front of a court.

Whatever India's claim to Kashmir is I am happy with it.

UBL was not hiding in Kashmir.

You're happy with it. Are the Kashmiri people happy with it? Where does a government get its legitimacy from in order to hold land and the people who live in it?

The UN is in charge of mediating international conflicts.

My personal view is that Kashmir is not big enough to be an independent state.

And since India is more responsible than Pakistan, give Kashmir to India.

UBL was not hiding in Kashmir or India.

 

[Dr Grump]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

Yeah. The Brits did real bad. Look at all those terrible former colonies that are total basket cases these days. Canada. Australia. US. New Zealand. India. South Africa. Unlike the Spanish colonies. Or French. Or Belgian. Or Portuguese.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

They came in and people assimilated to them. The exact opposite happened with the Spanish and Dutch. Who tried to integrate with the native cultures.

You can't pull people out of the back woods unless they change and advance themselves.

Just look at the differences of North America vs Central America?

As for genocide and theft..... There was no native Indian genocide in North America. And there was no theft, as far as I am concerned they took their lands From weaker tribes and lost their lands to a stronger group. What's funny is that we were able to take most of the land by paying them off and they left peacefully.

As for you.... Stop reading Howard Zinn it rots your brain.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

Name some genocides.

It would help if you justified your radical interpretations as you went along.

But in this case I am happy with a footnote.

Go on ... .

The delay must be that he is going back to his Howard Zinn book collection to look it up.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

when did britain commit genocide?

i'm also not sure where you get the idea that some of the people on your list were imperialists.

See post 112

 

[frigidweirdo]

Britain was probably the best coloniser of the lot...

Yeah, they were Great.

Great at genocide, Great at stealing, Great at killing....

Name some genocides.

It would help if you justified your radical interpretations as you went along.

But in this case I am happy with a footnote.

Go on ... .

Well, against the Australian peoples.

Report details crimes against Aborigines - World Socialist Web Site

"The genocidal practices perpetrated against Australian Aborigines were the outcome of policies adopted and implemented by all Australian governments from British settlement in 1788 until the present."

British Genocides - New British Empire

Here's a whole website.

NORTH AMERICA: Using Smallpox to Eradicate the Natives
NORTH AMERICA: Biological Warfare against Soldiers and Civilians
AUSTRALIA: Barbarism in Tasmania
KENYA: The Mau Mau Uprising
BENGAL, INDIA: Bengal Famine

And more.......

As for it would help to show stuff. Maybe, however my experience is you don't bother because half the people on here won't read past the first sentence. So until you find who you're dealing with, you keep it short and don't waste time proving things that will go unnoticed.

You're ranting about Mother Nature.

Mother Nature was not kind to native North Americans or Meso Americans or South Americans.

Germs killed most of them off.

The British did not kill any of them off.

The French enlisted the Indians for their world war against the British.

Thus the Indians became French pawns.

Blame France.

I'm not ranting and I'm not talking about mother nature. YOU ARE.

The British had policies that were Genocide. Please note that you don't even need to kill in order to commit genocide. However the British went into the Americas and by the time 1776 and all that had happened and the British were out of there (except Canada) they'd killed and destroyed quite a few Native American groups, but they also set in motion what the Americans would then do.

Some of the famines, like one in what is now Bangladesh and India, was a case of the British moving food out of the area and allowing people to starve to death.