Real History: The Costs of Not Ending WWII

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1. Take a look at how the Soviet Communists valued the lives of their citizens:
a. "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

b. "As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


c. "In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Georgy Zhukov hero file


This version of Leftism, Soviet Communism slaughtered 100 million human beings, the majority of them their own citizens.

The butchering of their own citizenry is a hallmark of totalitarian governance.





2. When this fact about their fellow totalitarians is brought to the attention of Americans on the Left, who share the same aims, the Liberals and Progressives, the inhumanity is met with a shrug.

When the shocking fact of the slaughter was brought to the attention of a resident Leftist, his shrug came out this way, as a sneer:

"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society





3. The above quote from a Leftist was in a thread called "The FDR Admiration Society." No coincidence, as so many Leftists, Liberals, Progressives are supporters of a President who had a very similar cavalier attitude toward about American lives, the patron of the Soviet Communists, Franklin Roosevelt.

Let me put it this way: if Franklin Roosevelt had more of a concern for the lives of American troops, one would imagine his aim would be to bring WWII to a rapid and successful conclusion.

Not just successful.....but rapid.



He would not have acquiesced to the demands of Joseph Stalin, demands which extended WWII by years, with the commensurate American deaths and casualties associated with those additional years.

Roosevelt would have looked at the
United States Declaration of Independence and aimed to safeguard the lives of our troops, and supported them in their pursuit of happiness.
But he had something very different in mind........
 
It is interesting to compare the OP's account of the Communist affinity for mass death to the modern left wrong-wing affinity for abortion. I guess similar ideologies lead to similar practices.


It is undeniable.....whether communism, Nazism, Progressivism, Liberalism, fascism.....

....the total lack of concern for human life is up front and evident.


Their aim is total submission to unlimited government, and their motto is 'you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.'
 
It is interesting to compare the OP's account of the Communist affinity for mass death to the modern left wrong-wing affinity for abortion. I guess similar ideologies lead to similar practices.
It is undeniable.....whether communism, Nazism, Progressivism, Liberalism, fascism.........the total lack of concern for human life is up front and evident. Their aim is total submission to unlimited government, and their motto is 'you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.'
We see the far right here act all the time by PC's definition, this lack of compassion for others.
 
We see the far right here act all the time by PC's definition, this lack of compassion for others.

The far-wrong's definition of “compassion” includes murdering the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings. I'm not too concerned about accusations from such a twisted and evil ideology to the effect that my side is lacking in “compassion”.
 
We see the far right here act all the time by PC's definition, this lack of compassion for others.

The far-wrong's definition of “compassion” includes murdering the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings. I'm not too concerned about accusations from such a twisted and evil ideology to the effect that my side is lacking in “compassion”.
What is your position on abortion? Mine is fairly conservative.
 
We see the far right here act all the time by PC's definition, this lack of compassion for others.

The far-wrong's definition of “compassion” includes murdering the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings. I'm not too concerned about accusations from such a twisted and evil ideology to the effect that my side is lacking in “compassion”.
Yeah, the Right's idea of compassion is to bring innocent lives into a world that does not want them and won't care for them. Once these fetuses develop into babies and are born into poverty and despair, the Right has no interest whatsoever in them or caring for them, believing in a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive.
 
Now.....about 'The Costs of Not Ending WWII'.......


4. Franklin Roosevelt aligned this nation with Joseph Stalin and Soviet communism within months of his election, in 1933.
Taken by itself, it might mean very little, perhaps simply a magnanimous gesture.

But numerous other actions by that President lead to in inexplicable conclusion: Roosevelt had an inordinate fondness for Stalin and his homicidal, pathological regime.


Perhaps the most egregious is that Roosevelt obeyed Stalin's instructions to forbid the surrender of Nazi Germany.....which might have been accomplished...years earlier than V-E Day, May 8,1945.


5. What was the actual cost of allowing the war to go on for several years more than necessary?

"....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died – a startling figure today – between D day[June 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich?



135,000 more American soldiers, sons, fathers, brothers..
...who would never be celebrated, welcomed home as heroes,
....would have danced in Times Square.....



a.
"World War 2 ended with the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. On 8 May 1945, the Allies accepted Germany's surrender, about a week after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide. VE Day – Victory in Europe celebrates the end of the Second World War on 8 May 1945."
When did World War II end? - Primary Homework Help www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/war/end.html







Consider, arguendo, the savings in American and other Allied lives had the conclusion of the war been accomplished in the late 30s or early 40s.





The only loser would have been world communism.
 
DDE and FDR did not give into Stalin's demand for a western front in 1942 and 1943. An invasion would have failed, and the war would have continued for years. PC is on Stalin's side.

American dead came to about 400,000. The Soviets lost about 20,000,000 dead.
 
1. Take a look at how the Soviet Communists valued the lives of their citizens:
a. "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

b. "As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


c. "In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." Georgy Zhukov hero file


This version of Leftism, Soviet Communism slaughtered 100 million human beings, the majority of them their own citizens.

The butchering of their own citizenry is a hallmark of totalitarian governance.





2. When this fact about their fellow totalitarians is brought to the attention of Americans on the Left, who share the same aims, the Liberals and Progressives, the inhumanity is met with a shrug.

When the shocking fact of the slaughter was brought to the attention of a resident Leftist, his shrug came out this way, as a sneer:

"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society





3. The above quote from a Leftist was in a thread called "The FDR Admiration Society." No coincidence, as so many Leftists, Liberals, Progressives are supporters of a President who had a very similar cavalier attitude toward about American lives, the patron of the Soviet Communists, Franklin Roosevelt.

Let me put it this way: if Franklin Roosevelt had more of a concern for the lives of American troops, one would imagine his aim would be to bring WWII to a rapid and successful conclusion.

Not just successful.....but rapid.



He would not have acquiesced to the demands of Joseph Stalin, demands which extended WWII by years, with the commensurate American deaths and casualties associated with those additional years.

Roosevelt would have looked at the
United States Declaration of Independence and aimed to safeguard the lives of our troops, and supported them in their pursuit of happiness.
But he had something very different in mind........
:cuckoo:
 
The far-wrong's definition of “compassion” includes murdering the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings. I'm not too concerned about accusations from such a twisted and evil ideology to the effect that my side is lacking in “compassion”.
Yeah, the Right's idea of compassion is to bring innocent lives into a world that does not want them and won't care for them. Once these fetuses develop into babies and are born into poverty and despair, the Right has no interest whatsoever in them or caring for them, believing in a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive.

It's a proven fact that in general, conservatives are considerably more generous in charitable donations and activity than liberals are. Those of you on the far-wrong think that you can claim credit for “compassion” on the basis of getting government to take from others, rather than on contributing what is rightfully your own to contribute. Those of you on the far-wrong are, of course, wrong.

In any event, you get no credit for claiming any sort of “compassion” on those whom you would happily see slaughtered in cold blood.
 
We see the far right here act all the time by PC's definition, this lack of compassion for others.

The far-wrong's definition of “compassion” includes murdering the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings. I'm not too concerned about accusations from such a twisted and evil ideology to the effect that my side is lacking in “compassion”.
Yeah, the Right's idea of compassion is to bring innocent lives into a world that does not want them and won't care for them. Once these fetuses develop into babies and are born into poverty and despair, the Right has no interest whatsoever in them or caring for them, believing in a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive.
They'll be right, tiger.
 
Now.....about 'The Costs of Not Ending WWII'.......


4. Franklin Roosevelt aligned this nation with Joseph Stalin and Soviet communism within months of his election, in 1933.
Taken by itself, it might mean very little, perhaps simply a magnanimous gesture.

But numerous other actions by that President lead to in inexplicable conclusion: Roosevelt had an inordinate fondness for Stalin and his homicidal, pathological regime.


Perhaps the most egregious is that Roosevelt obeyed Stalin's instructions to forbid the surrender of Nazi Germany.....which might have been accomplished...years earlier than V-E Day, May 8,1945.


5. What was the actual cost of allowing the war to go on for several years more than necessary?

"....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died – a startling figure today – between D day[June 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich?



135,000 more American soldiers, sons, fathers, brothers..
...who would never be celebrated, welcomed home as heroes,
....would have danced in Times Square.....



a.
"World War 2 ended with the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. On 8 May 1945, the Allies accepted Germany's surrender, about a week after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide. VE Day – Victory in Europe celebrates the end of the Second World War on 8 May 1945."
When did World War II end? - Primary Homework Help www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/war/end.html







Consider, arguendo, the savings in American and other Allied lives had the conclusion of the war been accomplished in the late 30s or early 40s.





The only loser would have been world communism.
Its all about envy. The far left loathes good looking people. Of course they want them killed.
 
The far-wrong's definition of “compassion” includes murdering the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings. I'm not too concerned about accusations from such a twisted and evil ideology to the effect that my side is lacking in “compassion”.
Yeah, the Right's idea of compassion is to bring innocent lives into a world that does not want them and won't care for them. Once these fetuses develop into babies and are born into poverty and despair, the Right has no interest whatsoever in them or caring for them, believing in a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive.

It's a proven fact that in general, conservatives are considerably more generous in charitable donations and activity than liberals are. Those of you on the far-wrong think that you can claim credit for “compassion” on the basis of getting government to take from others, rather than on contributing what is rightfully your own to contribute. Those of you on the far-wrong are, of course, wrong.

In any event, you get no credit for claiming any sort of “compassion” on those whom you would happily see slaughtered in cold blood.
What absolute, total bullshit.
 
Now.....about 'The Costs of Not Ending WWII'.......


4. Franklin Roosevelt aligned this nation with Joseph Stalin and Soviet communism within months of his election, in 1933.
Taken by itself, it might mean very little, perhaps simply a magnanimous gesture.

But numerous other actions by that President lead to in inexplicable conclusion: Roosevelt had an inordinate fondness for Stalin and his homicidal, pathological regime.


Perhaps the most egregious is that Roosevelt obeyed Stalin's instructions to forbid the surrender of Nazi Germany.....which might have been accomplished...years earlier than V-E Day, May 8,1945.


5. What was the actual cost of allowing the war to go on for several years more than necessary?

"....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died – a startling figure today – between D day[June 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich?



135,000 more American soldiers, sons, fathers, brothers..
...who would never be celebrated, welcomed home as heroes,
....would have danced in Times Square.....



a.
"World War 2 ended with the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. On 8 May 1945, the Allies accepted Germany's surrender, about a week after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide. VE Day – Victory in Europe celebrates the end of the Second World War on 8 May 1945."
When did World War II end? - Primary Homework Help www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/war/end.html







Consider, arguendo, the savings in American and other Allied lives had the conclusion of the war been accomplished in the late 30s or early 40s.





The only loser would have been world communism.
Its all about envy. The far left loathes good looking people. Of course they want them killed.
:cuckoo:
 
It is interesting to compare the OP's account of the Communist affinity for mass death to the modern left wrong-wing affinity for abortion. I guess similar ideologies lead to similar practices.

PoliticalChic doesn't think abortion is murder. She is pro-choice now.



So THAT'S why you're called the NYLiar!
 

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