The Birth of Religion

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    In the June 2011 edition of National Geographic, there is a piece about a place called Gobekli Tepe, the site of an archeological dig that is uncovering what may be the world's first temple. Built around 9600 BC, with huge stones weighing up to 16 tons, it would have required 100s of workers to create cuz it is thought humans had not domesticated animals by then.

    What's interesting in the story is how the discovery may change the concept that religion followed the rise of civilization rather than predating it. Hunter gatherers did have a form of religion, but it was thought to be more individualized even though the groups may have had shamans that acted as intermediaries between humans and gods. But anybody could commune with the gods using various methods. It was thought that organized religion where priests were the only conduit sprang up after people began to live in communities and organized religion was needed to bind them together.

    But Gobekli Tepe predates that, and it is now postulated that religion was a driving force that may have caused people to form communities, rather than the other way around. The site is being excavated very slowly, so it may be decades before it is entirely uncovered and who knows what will be found. Interesting stuff.
     
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    9600 BC? Wow that is before God created the earth.
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    Everyone knows that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
     
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    God must be just mking it appear that the temple is that old to test our faith?
     
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    God never said he created humans 6000 years ago.....humans did....and humans were wrong. ;)

    and i have been following this find....it is absolutely amazing and mind boggling! As humans, we really have been ''wrong'' on so many things once thought about us....
     
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    So God and Religion brought people together allowing the human race to progress to where we are today. Interesting. :eusa_think:
     
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    There is a school of thought that warfare and violence was commonplace both before andf after the dawm of civilization. Many anthropologists think that the strength of a group's religion was a major factor in whether or not they survived as a group. You didn't make it on your own, you had to be a member of a group and if that group was defeated then the chances were that you and your potential or real offspring probably didn't add to the gene pool.

    A place like Gobekli Tepe provides strong evidence that at that time religion was a strong motivator in some people's lives, for good or ill. It took a hell of a lot of hard work to build a place like that, coordination and organization had to be in play.

    Would we be any different today if religion had not taken root? Who knows, but I suspect sooner or later religion as an institution would have evolved somewhere.
     
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    Religion is a tool of survival. I'm not sure why that surprises anyone.

    I often wonder what future generations would make a preserved hockey arena.
     
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    Or an auto museum?
     
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    So basically you're arguing collectivism and groupthink are better than individuality and freedom?
     

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