The big mistake Americans made was thinking a business man can create jobs as president

[AzogtheDefiler]

No shit. Doesn’t mean I have to belong to a political party to think the way I do.

oh, so you're have conservative ideology but just don't belong to the most conservative party??????

It wasn’t always like that. I moved more right as I got older and became a father and then Leftists pushed me very right.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Anti ideology is not an ideology.

Nazi ideology was laid out by Hitler and derived from Hegels philosophy of history. NO brains???

And? Again it is still an ideology.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Anti ideology is not an ideology.

Nazi ideology was laid out by Hitler and derived from Hegels philosophy of history. NO brains???

And? Again it is still an ideology.

question is do you have the IQ to support an ideology?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It wasn’t always like that. I moved more right as I got older and became a father and then Leftists pushed me very right.

so you have a right wing ideology after all???????????????????????????????

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Anti ideology is not an ideology.

Nazi ideology was laid out by Hitler and derived from Hegels philosophy of history. NO brains???

And? Again it is still an ideology.

question is do you have the IQ to support an ideology?

Mine when tested 11 years ago was 148. But do I want to support an ideology is the better question. You’re asking the wrong questions and that is because you’re drunk.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It wasn’t always like that. I moved more right as I got older and became a father and then Leftists pushed me very right.

so you have a right wing ideology after all???????????????????????????????

Maybe? Doesn’t mean I have to belong to a party. Some of my views are very left too. IDC about gay marriage, I am pro choice (for both men and women), I am not overly religious.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But do I want to support an ideology is the better question.

yes you want to support freedom ideology like our Founders did not huge liberal govt like the Nazis did

 

[Billy000]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

They took an economy in deep recession.

The recession ended in June 2009.

and turned it around

What did they do in 5 months to "turn it around"?

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the combination of the Stimulus (which by itself didn't do it) plus the Cash for Clunkers (which jumpstarted the auto business) which got the manufacturing sector ramping up in preparation, pushed GDP into positive territory.

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research,

Link?

the combination of the Stimulus (which by itself didn't do it)

How much was spent before June 2009?

plus the Cash for Clunkers (which jumpstarted the auto business)

The Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS), colloquially known as "cash for clunkers", was a $3 billion U.S. federal scrappage program intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel-efficient vehicle. The program was promoted as a post-recession stimulus program to boost auto sales, while putting more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways.

The program officially started on July 1, 2009, processing of claims began July 24,[2] and the program ended on August 24, 2009, as the appropriated funds were exhausted.[3][4] The deadline for dealers to submit applications was August 25.[5] According to estimates of the Department of Transportation, the initial $1 billion appropriated for the system was exhausted by July 30, 2009, well before the anticipated end date of November 1, 2009, due to very high demand.[6][7][8] In response, Congress approved an additional $2 billion.[6][7][9][10]

Car Allowance Rebate System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wow!

Cash for clunkers ($3 billion, LOL!) must have had one of these....

View attachment 334422

Cash for clunkers was a massive massive failure on many levels. The $4500 rebate was counted as income for tax purposes so people who couldn't afford it got stuck with huge tax bills. The ones who saw any benefit were the wealthy turning in the Lexus for Jaguars. But the real hurt was a by design. None of the cars traded in on the cash for clunkers program could be resold. They had to be crushed and sold as scrap. This hit the poor the hardest. Not only was the used car market destroyed but car parts were impossible to get. No more pick a part. Buy new.

Shitstain obama should pay a price for that foolishness.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It wasn’t always like that. I moved more right as I got older and became a father and then Leftists pushed me very right.

so you have a right wing ideology after all???????????????????????????????

Maybe? Doesn’t mean I have to belong to a party. Some of my views are very left too. IDC about gay marriage, I am pro choice (for both men and women), I am not overly religious.

so then you are not intelligent enough to understand all of the conservative ideology

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

Nope. I did Not. I actually explained it. Those five points under Obama and his 8 years, he fixed none of them and made all of them worse.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It wasn’t always like that. I moved more right as I got older and became a father and then Leftists pushed me very right.

so you have a right wing ideology after all???????????????????????????????

Maybe? Doesn’t mean I have to belong to a party. Some of my views are very left too. IDC about gay marriage, I am pro choice (for both men and women), I am not overly religious.

so then you are not intelligent enough to understand all of the conservative ideology

Subjective. I wager I am more intelligent than most and less intelligent than some. I would wager all I have that I am more intelligent than you and would drop you in less than 60 seconds in an MMA sanctioned fight. Overall I am a step above you on the evolutionary scale. It is dipshits like you in the Republican Party that is the reason I dont join it.

 

[easyt65]

The business man created the strongest economy and lowest unemployment rate ever .... until this pandemic.

The Chicago Community Organizer, however, is being exposed as the biggest criminal in US history...

Surprise, surprise.

.

 

[Billy000]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

Nope. I did Not. I actually explained it. Those five points under Obama and his 8 years, he fixed none of them and made all of them worse.

Ah yes you couldn’t contain yourself huh? You were DYING to deflect to democrats. We can talk about Obama after this. All you gotta do is explain why you ever vote republican and you’ve failed to do that pretty bad so far.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Um so how? Seriously think about it. How? How does business experience translate into GOVERNMENT policy of economic growth? Sure, It sounds reasonable to say a business man knows how to create jobs for a nation, but their experience really only applies to a private business creating jobs. It doesn’t apply to knowledge in economics on a macro level. Trump himself barely even qualifies either way. Daddy gave him 10’s of millions of dollars in the 80’s with 80’s dollar inflation. Trump would be a Wal-Mart greeter today if it weren’t daddy.

Also, think of what big corporations actually do in America. The CEO and board have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit. How, in part, do they do this? By minimizing as much investment into labor as possible.

They ask the question “well, we would prefer to pay the minimum wage, but we also want to make our job positions attractive enough so that people will still take them. How high do we need to make the wage to fulfill that basic need? Obviously we aren’t concerned whether or not someone can live off the wage. That’s their problem.”

None of that shit is wisdom meant for benefiting citizens on an egalitarian level.

STFU with your "Orange Man Bad bullshit, dork!

 

[Winco]

Are you a goofy little gossip girl??? Trump is the second coming compared to the libcommie opposition who support the Green New Deal Second Great Depression and Communist Revolution, open borders, free health care for entire world.

Simple True or False questions.
You can't answer them.
Let me provide my answers,

A) Daddy gave Donald a small 'loan' of ONLY $1 Million, just like Donald claimed.
False, I believe the gift, not loan, was way more than ONLY $1.

B) Daddies original 'loan' to Donald was way more than $1 Million.
True. But It wasn't 'a loan' as Donald claims, it was a gift, which is perfectly fine and legal, and for way more than $1 Million.

C) Daddies original 'loan' was in the Millions, then Daddy occasionally (on more than 1 occasion) bought $3 million in Chips from trumps casino Taj Mahal, and just walked out with the chips, NEVER chasing them in, so in reality, Another 'Loan'.
True, Fred continued to bail out trump for his failed casino, and on multiple occasions, bought $Millions in chips, never Gambled, and walked out with the Chips, in essence, giving Donald another 'freebie.'

D) Trump is an outstanding business man, and has earned the respect of fellow businessmen.
False, I believe he is deep in debt, way beyond his assets. He has conned his way through many business deals in NY, and he is trying to do the same thing, while using US, the USA citizens. He is a con man.

E) Trump is a con man, and pretends to LOVE America, when in reality it is just about trump.
True, I remember when RWI's railed on Obama when he occasionally said "I" They would keep track of it. Now that's embarrassing, because trump is the Master of self Promotion and talking in 3rd person.

F) After the FAILED and Bankrupt Casinos, trump couldn't get legitimate loans from legitimate US Banks, so he had to resort to "Foreign' banks to give him loans.
True, this is documented, he had to get loans overseas. No legit USA bank would loan trump money.

G) Trump currently has NO outstanding debts to anyone and is worth Billions, meaning he has Billions more in assests than he has in debt.
False, He is way in over his head. He manages to live the 'Elite Life' because he is POTUS, that will end soon.

H) TDS post # 666.
Whatever you want to believe.

Feel free to respond with your OWN opinion.
Don't run or name call, give it a try.
I just want to 'Document' some trumpians responses.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

Nope. I did Not. I actually explained it. Those five points under Obama and his 8 years, he fixed none of them and made all of them worse.

Ah yes you couldn’t contain yourself huh? You were DYING to deflect to democrats. We can talk about Obama after this. All you gotta do is explain why you ever vote republican and you’ve failed to do that pretty bad so far.

I just did. Want me to type slower.

#1) Lower taxes help me and makes us more competitor globally.
#2) IDC how strong it is. It is not strong enough since we still have asshole Islamists fucking with us.
#3) Prior administration spent more than all others combined.
#4) If that were the case we would not have ~20 million illegals here and Sanctuary Cities
#5) ACA was a joke, our premiums are going up and our administrators are whacked. BROKEN SYSTEM.

Is that simple enough for you?

 

[petro]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

Ok.
I am tired of the damn alerts for a conversation I am no longer a part of.
Edit the damn quotes instead of the dummy reply.
You guys need to read this thread.

Asking for some editing behavior changes. (Selective Quoting)

Mod staff has been working with the IT consultants to find a FIX for the mile long quotes you get when folks JUST use the big static "reply" button at the bottom of every post next to the "post rating - like" button.. Quotes stack up pretty quickly if EVERYBODY does it that way in a thread...

www.usmessageboard.com

Please end the infinite quote chain.

 

[Billy000]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

Nope. I did Not. I actually explained it. Those five points under Obama and his 8 years, he fixed none of them and made all of them worse.

Ah yes you couldn’t contain yourself huh? You were DYING to deflect to democrats. We can talk about Obama after this. All you gotta do is explain why you ever vote republican and you’ve failed to do that pretty bad so far.

I just did. Want me to type slower.

#1) Lower taxes help me and makes us more competitor globally.
#2) IDC how strong it is. It is not strong enough since we still have asshole Islamists fucking with us.
#3) Prior administration spent more than all others combined.
#4) If that were the case we would not have ~20 million illegals here and Sanctuary Cities
#5) ACA was a joke, our premiums are going up and our administrators are whacked. BROKEN SYSTEM.

Is that simple enough for you?

Well you definitely never typed this before lol.

1) Lol um no their tax savings do nothing at all for you.
2) Oh yeah that must be it. They don’t quit because we are too weak lol. Just now much stronger should it be?
3) Obama reduced the deficit by 2/3. Trump will add way more to the debt if he finishes a second term.
4) If they all disappeared tommorw, what would you expect to happen exactly?
5) Yep still not talking about democrats lol

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And an even bigger mistake was thinking a guy who never had a job before in his life could be president.

.

And an even Bigger mistake is believing 3 fingers groping Joe will be President.

I’d take a goddamn chimp over Trump.

You did...in 2008 and he turned out to be the worse POTUS in History.

Well obviously you’re a racist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.

Obviously you're a Leftist douche bag so your perspective is completely biased and therefore useless.


See how I did that....?

Nah, I’m just right.

You're most definitely very LEFT.

Very left is....correct.

Which is why you are very illogical.

Okay just so we are clear on something. Answer me this point blank: is voting republican a good idea? Don’t give me this whataboutism bullshit about democrats. Just answer the question.

I am an Independent. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Depends on the individual. It is not black and white. That is why you are illogical. You don't see that.

Under what circumstances does it make sense to YOU.

What do you mean? There are multiple. Do you mean local, state, national? Be specific.

Um fine let’s start with national. Okay. Eyes are all on you. Go! Answer the question!

National:

My top five interests -- No special order

#1) Lower Taxes
#2) Strong Military
#3) Balanced Budget
#4) Border Security
#5) Improved Healthcare --- our system as constituted sucks.

Um okay.

1) Yeah but this only applies to the wealthy class
2) Already fucking strong. We spend more on defense than all of our allies do COMBINED
3) You do know that republican tax cuts only blow up the deficit right?
4) Homeland security has been a thing for awhile now.
5) Republicans do absolutely nothing about this shit whatsoever. It is absolutely bewildering to me as to why you included it.

I said those five are the most important and I never said I vote only Republican. Why are you whining like a bitch?

Oh I get you don’t only vote republican. You’ve just failed to explain why you ever vote republican.

Nope. I did Not. I actually explained it. Those five points under Obama and his 8 years, he fixed none of them and made all of them worse.

Ah yes you couldn’t contain yourself huh? You were DYING to deflect to democrats. We can talk about Obama after this. All you gotta do is explain why you ever vote republican and you’ve failed to do that pretty bad so far.

I just did. Want me to type slower.

#1) Lower taxes help me and makes us more competitor globally.
#2) IDC how strong it is. It is not strong enough since we still have asshole Islamists fucking with us.
#3) Prior administration spent more than all others combined.
#4) If that were the case we would not have ~20 million illegals here and Sanctuary Cities
#5) ACA was a joke, our premiums are going up and our administrators are whacked. BROKEN SYSTEM.

Is that simple enough for you?

Well you definitely never typed this before lol.

1) Lol um no their tax savings do nothing at all for you.
2) Oh yeah that must be it. They don’t quit because we are too weak lol. Just now much stronger should it be?
3) Obama reduced the deficit by 2/3. Trump will add way more to the debt if he finishes a second term.
4) If they all disappeared tommorw, what would you expect to happen exactly?
5) Yep still not talking about democrats lol

#1) You don't know how much I make and how it impacts me and my business.
#2) Not strong enough if people are fucking with us. And stronger military helps the private sector greatly.
#3) He spent more than all prior administrations combined. That was a fact before the 2016 election.
#4) Less crime, more law and order and certainly less strain on our education and healthcare systems.
#5) I never said it was a Republican talking point but the answer is not UH. That is lazy ass Leftist ideology.