The Arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet...

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    The Arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet...

    So says the United States Coast Guard and reality.
    ...but then it's all really just a leftist conspiracy isn't it?:cuckoo:
     
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    you're missing the whole argument...it is about causation, no one denies climate change....
     
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    Where will Santa Claus live?

    And Superman?
     
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    never missed the argument. your friends here have.


    Some people here have denied the planet is warming. They have called climate change a hoax.

    Every post I've made (a few) on climate change was based on your premise: causation, and every post was ridiculed by the likes of you and your type.
     
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    Causation. What kind of thing can cause the atmosphere and ocean to warm?

    But the sun has been very quiet for the last ten years. In fact. the deniers were posting that we should be expecting increasing cooling in the coming decades based on this fact. What we have seen is the warmest decade on record in the last 180 years.

    Orbitual mechanics. Except that by the Milankovic Cycles, we should slowly be drifting toward another ice age. Drifting as in several thousand years before we are in a full ice age.

    How about volcanic activity, heat from the earth? Volcanic activity has been relitively quiet for many years. No Trapp Volcanics, the last big eruption was in 1883, Krakatoa.

    But what else can heat up the atmosphere and oceans? GHGs. CO2, CH4, and some of the new extremely effective industrial GHGs. So, have these been increasing? From 280 ppm of CO2 to 387 ppm. From 700 ppb of CH4 to 1800 ppm. And the industrial gases were not even present in the atmosphere prior to the industrial revolution. Some of them are over 10,000 times as effective GHG as CO2. Doesn't take much of that to go a long way.

    The deniers are always stating that what we are now seeing is just a natural cycle, yet cannot point out what the driver for the natural cycle is. Virtually all the climatologists state that the driver of the present warming is the increased level of GHGs in the atmosphere.
     
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    WRONG! We have called ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE a hoax. Try taking your blinders off and look at the amazing amount of data manufacturing and manipulation going on in the alarmist camp. That should tell you something. If you cared to know the truth.
     
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    Sure we can old fraud. 800 years ago the planet was enjoying the Medieval Warming Period. The Vostock ice cores show a 800 year lag from the time warming occurs to the rise in CO2.

    Simple, elegant, the evidence supports the hypothesis. Prove it wrong. That is science in action.
     
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    I have not defended the alarmists on either side. There are people like you who are reactionaries sounding the alarm that others are alarmist. :lol:


    the irony is almost always lost on your type.


    and:

    Anthropogenic climate change refers to the production of greenhouse gases emitted by human activity. By examining the polar ice cores, scientists are convinced that human activity has increased the proportion of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which has skyrocketed over the past few hundred years. -
    Anthropogenic Climate Change
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    In recent usage, especially in the context of environmental policy, climate change usually refers to changes in modern climate. It may be qualified as anthropogenic climate change, more generally known as "global warming" or "anthropogenic global warming" (AGW). -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change

    there is the growing suspicion that you are clueless about what you are alarmist about. You appear to be a follower without a firm grasp of exactly what the issues and terminology you use mean. Regurgitating talking points will always make you look like a fool in the end.
     
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    I hate to tell you but the Vostock ice cores tell a different story. They show (and this is from peer reviewed papers) that warming occurs first and then CO2 levels rise. It also seems that it has been the coldest summer on record north of the 80th degree of latitude.

    And for your information the alarmists populate one side only and that is the side preaching anthropogenic climate change (but you allready knew that didn't you) we are all about real science not wikipedia crap that any political hack can change at his or her whim.

    Sea Ice News #18 | Watts Up With That?
     
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    as you were saying...

    "This proves that rising CO2 was not the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages - but no climate scientist has ever made this claim. It certainly does not challenge the idea that more CO2 heats the planet." - Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming - environment - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist

    NOAA Paleoclimatology World Data Centers Vostok Ice Core

    btw, your posts are almost alarmist. :lol:
     
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