The actual beginning of World War II

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    The Munich Agreement of 1938 was an important milestone in the preparations for World War II.
    The Munich Accord - an agreement drawn up in Munich on September 29, 1938 and signed the following day - September 30 - by
    British Prime Ministers - Neville Chamberlain,
    France - Eduard Daladier,
    Italy - Benito Mussolini and
    German Reich Chancellor Adolf Hitler.
    As a result of this agreement, these Western countries sanctioned the start of the capture of Czechoslovakia by fascist Germany. More precisely, it provided for the transfer of Germany to the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia (with all the structures and fortifications, factories, factories, stocks of raw materials, communication routes ...), as well as the satisfaction at the expense of Czechoslovakia of the territorial claims of Hungary and Poland.

    Czechoslovak representatives were not allowed to discuss this agreement. The USSR was also denied participation in the meeting.


    The first country that signed the treaty with Hitler in the role of chancellor ... was Poland. In 1934, the "Hitler-Pilsudski Pact" was signed, which signified Germany's withdrawal from political isolation.
    Later, agreements with Hitler signed London (Anglo-German declaration on the results of Munich), and then France. Italy became an ally of Germany, along with Japan.

    The last great power that concluded the Treaty of Non-Aggression with Germany was the USSR.

    In the framework of the Munich conference, the British, the French, the Germans and the Italians decided that the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia must be given to Hitler. At the same time the army of the Czechs was NOT LESS German, but the pressure from England and France on them was such that Prague agreed. At the same time, the settlement of the problem with the Polish and Hungarian minorities was identified in the annex to the decision of the Munich Conference as being negotiable with Poland and Hungary. The Czechs had the full feeling that after giving Hitler Sudeten, no one would give anything to anyone. But they were simply rudely deceived. The day after the announcement of the decision of the conference to transfer part of Czechoslovakia to the Third Reich, Poland issued an ultimatum. In 24 hours to transfer to her Teshinskaya region under the threat of the outbreak of war. The Czechs agreed to this and the Polish occupation forces entered its territory.
     
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    You got the facts right, I feel that the conditions at the time also put Hitler into the position of taking over the country, and by falling inline the education, news, and other institutions also followed and this was the start of WWII the real attacts were upon the German people's freedom.
     
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    I think it's more complex and drawn out than that. WW I was the last gasp of feudalism in Europe, with all the powerful Imperial Houses falling out of power, especially Hapsburg Germany. You could just as easily make a case it was just the final battles of the Thirty Years War if one wanted to go into great detail, but essentially it was rapid economic change out-running and overwhelming the archaic political systems, i.e. too much power in too few hands, and hands not determined by merit and competence but by accident of birth. The govts. of the world still suffer from the same problems, but some cultures have developed far less violent means of change than others, and those tend to grow while the violent change types stagnate.

    Wilhelm II started WW I, and WW II was caused by stupidity of the victors in WW I; their failure to occupy Germany, followed by further stupidity in then restricting its Army to 100,000 men in a time of unrest, economic collapse, and cultural destruction was mindless and irresponsible. They left Germany at the mercy of street gangs and private armies, and then were shocked at what that produced. They were morons. Hitler was left with either extinction or looting his neighbors by 1938, so I don't put much weight on the diplomatic activity; he wasn't going to go quietly, and it isn't rocket science to know he was intent on war from 1935 on.
     
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    Let's see what the World Powers wanted, on the eve of World War II

    1. Japan wanted the Northern directions - Manchuria, the Eastern parts of the USSR, as well as the South directions - the islands of the Pacific Ocean and control over Southeast Asia. This is Japan's conflict with the USSR and the United States.

    2. Germany wanted control over Europe and seize the European part of the USSR. Germany was humiliated in the 1st World War. Germany wanted to have colonies, but the colonial countries Britain and France did not allow it. Therefore, Germany must seize Europe to secure industry, and then move east. This is written in "My Struggle." Adolf Gitler.

    3. Britain wanted to preserve its colonies. Hitler claimed them. He interfered with a quiet life.

    4. America wanted to reduce the role of Britain, destroy Hitler and reduce the role of Japan

    . 5. The Soviet Union wanted to preserve its territory The spread of the ideas of Marxism-Leninism to the whole world is Trotsky's idea. But Stalin refused this idea


    6. Italy wanted to become a "great Power"



    7. But, especially funny is Poland. This stub of the Russian Empire dreamed of "Great Poland" from the northern to the southern seas .. It was Poland that began the Second World War. Imagine a puppy who runs from Hitler to Churchill, barks .. very disgustingly shits, hates Jews, Russians. But, in the end, this puppy gets what he deserves - the division of the territory ..

    France did not want anything. This country had the largest army in Europe, but surrendered very quickly. In addition .. As you know, the agreement on the surrender of Germany was signed by the USSR, Britain and the United States.
    The French admitted to the section of the cake was Stalin, who allowed this country to consider itself "among the winners" when they began to divide Germany, Stalin wanted to divide Germany into 4 parts in order to reduce the influence of the Anglo-Saxons, Yugoslavia had a greater role to play in victory than France.
     
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    ...Poland had no chance in hell---it was between Russia and Germany
    ..the world would not have gone to war [and did not ] because of the Japan-China ''problem''..that was not Europe--no one cared
     
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    Russia and Germany simply "have the patience" to be polite with this "state-territory-Poland" ... The Poles are fed up with their stupidity and stupidity. Then they get in the face and take offense.
    But the war could not begin in Asia for a simple reason:
    - In 30-40 years, America was not even a "regional power". Roosevelt was looking for a way out of the Great Depression.
    - Japan did not have a developed industry .. "Made in Japan" - then this phrase was a disgrace not only in Hollywood films, but also in the USSR
     
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    The start to the war was when Hitler gained power.

    Nothing was going to deny him his war.

    You were either going to bow to his demands, which caused him to despise you, or you were going to fight him.
     
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    The war begins:
    1. Formally, if the Powers declared war
    2. In fact, when the fighting began.

    I'm talking about the actual beginning of the war.

    When Hitler came to power, it was not. In addition, at the Olympics in Berlin, members of the Royal Family of Britain welcomed Hitler with a Nazi salute - Heil Hitler!
     
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    The fighting began when both Germany and the USSR attacked Poland.

    Technically, the allies should have declared war on both.
     
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