The ACLU Is Anything But American

[bodecea]

I keep seeing people like Manifold talking out of both sides of their mouths.

First they proudly proclaim that the ACLU defends everyones right to free speech....then I get admission after admission that they don't.

Which is it?

Keep your story straight?

Is it true or false?

Does the ACLU defend everyone from discrimination and defend everyone's freedoms, or do they cherry-pick the issues as I sighted?

I know already, I just want somebody put their foot in their mouth and say I'm not right

Maybe no one ever told you before...but free speech issues are about the GOVERNMENT trying to take away your 1st amendment rights. The GOVERNMENT. Glad to have been of help.

 

[manifold]

They don't care about gay conservatives, remember?

Obviously.

But wait....are saying you believe Gays are something to snear at?

Showing your true homophobic colors much?

Your defense of Gays is all just an act?

I thought so.

Anyone here can snear at gays all you want. Not an ACLU issue. Maybe you are having trouble with the concept of government?

Gays are sometimes worthy of the occasional snear. But nothing compared the snear-worthiness of assbonnets like mudmissle.

 

[bodecea]

Plain as the nose on your face.
Discrimination during a beauty contest, casting dispersions on her religious beliefs, bigotry, slander, infringement of her freedom of speech, castigating her in public claiming she has no right to free religious expression.

All issues the ACLU was totally silent on.

It's plain you have no legal background.

Perez Hilton is the Government? Perez Hilton represents the Government?

The claim was "EVERYBODY", not the government.

And the first Amendment isn't just about government. It's about basic freedoms. Freedoms our forefathers left their countries to come here and enjoy, not to have to deal with the SOS they dealt with back there.

Um...yes it is.

 

[del]

Perez Hilton ring a bell Capt Oblivious?

Oh, I get it now.

You're an uneducated fucking moron who doesn't understand the concept of constitutionally protected rights such as 1st Amendment freedom of speech.

Thanks for clearing that up.

And for the record, you have not provided one single example of gays infringing on the 1st Amendment rights of conservatives while the ACLU stands idly by.

Fact, not opinion.

Plain as the nose on your face.
Discrimination during a beauty contest, casting dispersions on her religious beliefs, bigotry, slander, infringement of her freedom of speech, castigating her in public claiming she has no right to free religious expression.

All issues the ACLU was totally silent on.

It's plain you have no legal background.

i'm sorry. was the govt running the beauty contest?

we'll add free speech to the ever lengthening list of things about which you are completely clueless.

you can't make this shit up

beauty contest

 

[Modbert]

I think we can all see the real problem Mudwhistle here outside of his lack of knowledge. He's just upset that the ACLU among others aren't allowing his religious views to be implemented into policy.

 

[del]

Then there's Joe The Plumber.

All the guy did was ask a question and Obama answered it truthfully for once.

For his question his life and history was trashed by Obama supporters, not just journalists.

Where was the A fucken CLU???

No fucken where to be found.

again, did the journalists and obama supporters have some governmental function?

when school goes back, you'd best sign up for lower standard civics, s0n.

 

[del]

Then there's Joe The Plumber.

All the guy did was ask a question and Obama answered it truthfully for once.

For his question his life and history was trashed by Obama supporters, not just journalists.

Where was the A fucken CLU???

No fucken where to be found.

Again, there was no government entity violating his rights. General hilarity about his stupidity is not a violation of his rights.

so the ACLU won't be taking muddy's case either, i guess.

tant pis

 

[bodecea]

I think we can all see the real problem Mudwhistle here outside of his lack of knowledge. He's just upset that the ACLU among others aren't allowing his religious views to be implemented into policy.

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe mudwhistle honestly believed that the 1st amendment applied to all facets of life, not just how the government treats us. Now that he's learned the truth about the first amendment and who it DOES apply to...he'll do a 180 and be totally supportive of what the ACLU does.
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[del]

Are you casting dispersions on muddie?

Where is the ACLU to stand up for him!!!!

They don't care about gay conservatives, remember?

Obviously.

But wait....are saying you believe Gays are something to snear at?

Showing your true homophobic colors much?

Your defense of Gays is all just an act?

I thought so.

really weak attempt at diversion, muddy.

i'm laughing my ass off at you, better call the ACLU

 

[del]

I keep seeing people like Manifold talking out of both sides of their mouths.

First they proudly proclaim that the ACLU defends everyones right to free speech....then I get admission after admission that they don't.

Which is it?

Keep your story straight?

Is it true or false?

Does the ACLU defend everyone from discrimination and defend everyone's freedoms, or do they cherry-pick the issues as I sighted?

I know already, I just want somebody put their foot in their mouth and say I'm not right

^^^^^

you can't fix stupid

 

[del]

Plain as the nose on your face.
Discrimination during a beauty contest, casting dispersions on her religious beliefs, bigotry, slander, infringement of her freedom of speech, castigating her in public claiming she has no right to free religious expression.

All issues the ACLU was totally silent on.

It's plain you have no legal background.

Perez Hilton is the Government? Perez Hilton represents the Government?

The claim was "EVERYBODY", not the government.

And the first Amendment isn't just about government. It's about basic freedoms. Freedoms our forefathers left their countries to come here and enjoy, not to have to deal with the SOS they dealt with back there.

read a book

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Top Ten Reasons To Stop the ACLU

#1. The ACLU fufills its agenda using your tax money.

If the ACLU wins a case against a school, a county courthouse, a city counsel, etc. guess who pays for it? You do.

Support and donate to organizations fighting them in Court. Here are the ones at the forefront.

ACLJ
Alliance Defense Fund
Thomas Moore Law Center

#2. The ACLU supports child porn distribution and child molesters like NAMBLA.

As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be.

There is no doubt the The ACLU are perverting the Constitution.

#3. The ACLU Defend the enemy.

They have a long history of this one. They defended the P.L.O. in 1985. They defended Quadafi in the 1980’s. And they continue today. They have told Gitmo detainees they have the right to remain silent, as in not talking to interrogators. One issue that really disturbs me is their refusal of funds from organizations such as the United Way that were concerned the money would be used to support terrorism.

In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds.

#4. The ACLU Opposes National Security.

The ACLU have opposed almost every effort in the arena of national security. From the bird flu to bag searches, the ACLU have been against it. No matter what kind of search someone tries to do to protect people, the ACLU have proved they are against them across the board. Its kind of ironic that they don’t practice the principles they preach.

Take a walk into the NYCLU’s Manhattan headquarters – which it shares with other organizations – and you’ll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search.

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

#6. The ACLU advocate open borders.

Not only have the ACLU opposed the Minute Men, a group who are simply exercizing their freedom of speech, protesting and stepping up where the government is failing, but they have helped illegals cross the border.

#7. The ACLU are pro-death.

Not only is the ACLU Pro-abortion, it’s the ACLU’s top priority. It most definitely takes a backseat to free speech for the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the ACLU has fought against the free speech rights of those that oppose it. If its abortion or euthanasia, as long as its pro-death you can count on the ACLU to support it. The only exception to the ACLU’s pro-death stance, is if it is a convicted criminal; in this case they are against death.

#8. Their outright hatred of the Boyscouts.

They are currently doing everything in their power to hurt this organization. They attacked their free speech right to exclude gays, and are threatening schools, and fighting in court to get their charters shut down. The oppose the military supporting them, and will sue the pants off any school that attempts to charter them.

9. The ACLU does not believe in the Second Amendment.

ACLU POLICY “The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court’s long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual’s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.”ACLU Policy #47

10. The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily.

The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…

"My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU : Stop The ACLU

 

[bodecea]

Top Ten Reasons To Stop the ACLU

#1. The ACLU fufills its agenda using your tax money.

If the ACLU wins a case against a school, a county courthouse, a city counsel, etc. guess who pays for it? You do.

Support and donate to organizations fighting them in Court. Here are the ones at the forefront.

ACLJ
Alliance Defense Fund
Thomas Moore Law Center

#2. The ACLU supports child porn distribution and child molesters like NAMBLA.

As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be.

There is no doubt the The ACLU are perverting the Constitution.

#3. The ACLU Defend the enemy.

They have a long history of this one. They defended the P.L.O. in 1985. They defended Quadafi in the 1980’s. And they continue today. They have told Gitmo detainees they have the right to remain silent, as in not talking to interrogators. One issue that really disturbs me is their refusal of funds from organizations such as the United Way that were concerned the money would be used to support terrorism.

In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds.

#4. The ACLU Opposes National Security.

The ACLU have opposed almost every effort in the arena of national security. From the bird flu to bag searches, the ACLU have been against it. No matter what kind of search someone tries to do to protect people, the ACLU have proved they are against them across the board. Its kind of ironic that they don’t practice the principles they preach.

Take a walk into the NYCLU’s Manhattan headquarters – which it shares with other organizations – and you’ll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search.

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

#6. The ACLU advocate open borders.

Not only have the ACLU opposed the Minute Men, a group who are simply exercizing their freedom of speech, protesting and stepping up where the government is failing, but they have helped illegals cross the border.

#7. The ACLU are pro-death.

Not only is the ACLU Pro-abortion, it’s the ACLU’s top priority. It most definitely takes a backseat to free speech for the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the ACLU has fought against the free speech rights of those that oppose it. If its abortion or euthanasia, as long as its pro-death you can count on the ACLU to support it. The only exception to the ACLU’s pro-death stance, is if it is a convicted criminal; in this case they are against death.

#8. Their outright hatred of the Boyscouts.

They are currently doing everything in their power to hurt this organization. They attacked their free speech right to exclude gays, and are threatening schools, and fighting in court to get their charters shut down. The oppose the military supporting them, and will sue the pants off any school that attempts to charter them.

9. The ACLU does not believe in the Second Amendment.

ACLU POLICY “The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court’s long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual’s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.”ACLU Policy #47

10. The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily.

The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…

"My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU : Stop The ACLU

Yes...let's stop an organization that fights for our First Amendment rights. I wonder why........

 

[Mustang]

The ACLU defended the Nazis' right to march in Skokie, and even defended Rush Limbaugh.
Their sole purpose is to defend the Constitution.

They defended Sean Hannity too. And that begs a question.

Would a truly great American turn his back on and then betray an organization by denouncing them after that same group once defended him when he was fired from his job? Does that sound like the kind of thing a great American would do?

 

[Toro]

The American Civil Liberties Union was run for its first 30 years by an American named Roger Baldwin, who helped found it in 1920. This organization pursues a leftist agenda that includes censoring prayer and recognition of God in public institutions, such as public schools. Currently, Anthony Romero​ is the first openly gay CEO to run the organization. Declassified documents and letters link early ACLU leaders with Communist Party.

So what if he's gay? It's un-American to be gay?

 

[Harry Dresden]

What scares you is the truth.

They don't seem to feel the same way about freedom of speech as it is currently interpreted. They are highly selective when they feel it doesn't suit their goals.....most notably when it comes to attacks from Gays against conservatives.

this is correct......i notice they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment....usually they stay away from it....

That's for the NRA...on the flip side, the NRA never seems to defend the 1st Amendment.

the NRA is about Guns.....the ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties.....which includes the 2nd Amendment..... so like i said....the ACLU does not defend the 2nd because it is against their agenda....

 

[Harry Dresden]

How would you feel about a large Muslim Crescent displayed at your courthouse or on a major hill in your city?

the cross she is talking about has been on that hill for like a half a century for the fallen in WW2.......one fucking Atheist see's it and files suit to have it taken down.....fuck that individual.....if there was a crescent on a hill for the same length of time somewhere for the same reason.....i would say the same thing if someone wanted it removed.... FUCK THEM.....

Totally incorrect. The Cross was put on Mt Soledad (public property) and DEDICATED on an Easter sunday....it was ONLY after there were complaints that they morphed it into a war memorial.

a cross has been at that site since 1913.....this current one in question has been there since 1954....so it appears i am not "totally incorrect".....

 

[bodecea]

this is correct......i notice they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment....usually they stay away from it....

That's for the NRA...on the flip side, the NRA never seems to defend the 1st Amendment.

the NRA is about Guns.....the ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties.....which includes the 2nd Amendment..... so like i said....the ACLU does not defend the 2nd because it is against their agenda....

The NRA is about the 2nd Amendment. The ACLU is about the 1st Amendment....why would there be a duplication of effort?

 

[bodecea]

the cross she is talking about has been on that hill for like a half a century for the fallen in WW2.......one fucking Atheist see's it and files suit to have it taken down.....fuck that individual.....if there was a crescent on a hill for the same length of time somewhere for the same reason.....i would say the same thing if someone wanted it removed.... FUCK THEM.....

Totally incorrect. The Cross was put on Mt Soledad (public property) and DEDICATED on an Easter sunday....it was ONLY after there were complaints that they morphed it into a war memorial.

a cross has been at that site since 1913.....this current one in question has been there since 1954....so it appears i am not "totally incorrect".....

I live there and am well aware. And the entire smoke and mirrors deal about it being a "war memorial"....and the person who sued to have it removed was a veteran. Now...explain why a non-Christian veteran should have a cross (symbol of persecution of non-christians) on a memorial that includes non-christians?


Or better yet...why did the city lie about it being a war memorial when it wasn't initially.

http://secularsandiego.blogspot.com/2011/01/mount-soledad-cross-history-in-outline.html

 

[Harry Dresden]

Sean Hannity fought his dismissal with the help of the Santa Barbara ACLU – the group that every Christian right winger loves to hate. “The civil liberties group wrote letters on Hannity's behalf, arguing that the state school was breaching his free speech. When KCSB relented, offering him his show back, Hannity held out for more airtime, walking away from the station when he didn't get it.”
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im proud of you Dean.....instead of saying the Group that every Republican loves to hate.....you actually pulled in the Tent and got specific.....the Christian Right.....now was that so dam difficult to do?......