The 72 virgins?

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  1. Two Thumbs
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    I'd like a few muslims to explain this to me.

    post what kind of muslim you are
    what the virgins are
    why so many
    where they come from
    what you do with them
    Is there a chance it was supposed to be 72 rivers?

    etc, etc

    Thank you for your time.
     
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    I know this is going to end up with a lot of mockery

    however, my interest is sincere.
     
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    Here is the reference for the 72 virgins. It comes from a little known hadith and is not in the quran.

    Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least [reward] for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby."
     
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    And here are the citations from the Koran:

    Qur'an

    The houri are mentioned in several places in the Qur’an, although in plural no specifics are given as to the number of houries available. Likewise it does not appear from the Qur’an that only girls should be available; both sexes are mentioned (although their descriptive qualities are feminine, as alluded to, by the Hadiths). They are made available to all Muslims, not just martyrs.

    "Thus shall it be. And We shall pair [zawajnahoom: pair them, marry them. Note zawj (lit., “a pair” or - according to the context - “one of a pair”) applies to either of the two sexes,a man to a woman and a woman to a man, as does the transitive verb zawaja, “he paired” or “joined”, i.e., one person with another][28]them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye."[Chapter (Surah) Ad-Dukhan (The Smoke)(44):54][29]

    "In these [gardens] will be mates of modest gaze [qasirat at-tarf: Lit., “such as restrain their gaze”, i.e., are of modest bearing and have eyes only for their mates (Tafsir Razi). This phrase applies to both genders.[4]], whom neither man nor invisible being will have touched ere then." [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent(55):56][30]

    "[There the blest will live with their] companions pure and modest, in pavilions [splendid] [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent)(55):72][31]

    "reclining on couches [of happiness] ranged in rows!” And [in that paradise] We shall mate them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye [Chapter (Surah) At-Tur (The Mount)(52):20][32]
     
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    I think there are 72 versions of that story.
     
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    Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth

    When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.

    Muslims know that the description of paradise or heaven in Hadiths and Quran is allegorical. If not, then Allah would have allowed us to take our bodies with us when we die.

    Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth « The Ugly Truth
     
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    here's good article about allah's whorehouse from an ex-mooselimb, is that good enough ? plenty of koran references

    note there is a difference between comitting suicide because a person is despondent, which is what the misleading taqiyya drivel from sunni is about, and getting killed for allah, however it happens, because jihad is islams highest honor...

    http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/...nal-abode-paradise-or-allahs-whore-house.html

    To get his followers fight in suicidal raids and wars, Muhammad created an image of Islamic paradise, where Muslims will find unlimited access to every earthly desires, greed, pleasures and wealth that man may wish to have or experience in this life. Sexuality, perverse sexuality---including group-sex with numerous eternal virgins and sodomy with pearl-like boys---for men (not for women) are among the staples in Allah's paradise. Muhammad knew what would work best to inspire young men fight deadly wars and used that tool to his advantage...

    For Muslims, the temptations offered in the Islamic Paradise are really too good to the extent that they would die for it. It is a powerful motivational factor, driving the cause of the Islamic Jihads the world over. In committing terrorist activities, such as by becoming suicide-bombers to kill the infidels (kafirs), the followers of Islam buy their one-way tickets to the Islam’s sensual Jannat...

    So, let us see what this Jannat is all about. The idea of the Islamic Paradise (al-Jannah) was invented by the Prophet of Islam, Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (SAW), to bribe the Pagan Arabs into committing hideous crimes by promising them materialistic things in the afterlife---things which they couldn’t ever obtain in the harsh Arabian Desert! This heavenly abode contains six important items:

    1) beautiful virgins,
    2) young pearly boys,
    3) pure water,
    4) rivers of wine,
    5) delicious fruits, and
    6) unending wealth, royal livings.

    We have heard vaguely of the “72 virgins” or Houris, promised as dedicated sex-slaves to each Muslim man in Paradise in addition to his wives from earth. This, in the sayings of the Prophet, is “the smallest reward” someone can expect in Islam’s paradise. (see The Tafsir of Quran 55:72; Book of Sunan, Vol. IV, Chapter 21, Hadith 2687)...

    Prophet Muhammad knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers and he bribed and motivated them to fight his battles by the promise of sex-slaves and war booty on earth. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Muhammad is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women...

    Koran 78:31
    Koran 37:40-48
    Koran 44:51-55
    Koran 52:17-20
    Koran 55:56-57
    Koran 55:57-58
    Koran 56:7-40
    Koran 55:70-77
    Koran 52:24
    Koran 56:17
    Koran 76:19
    Koran 13:35
    Koran 3:198
    Koran 3:136
    Koran 15:45
    Koran 22:23
    Koran 47:15
    Koran 55:50-51
    Koran 55:66-67
    Koran 44:51-55
    Koran 56:7-40
    Koran 47:15
    Koran 37:40-48
    Koran 56:7-40
    Koran 83:23-26
    Koran 13:35
    Koran 37:40-48
    Koran 43:68-73
    Koran 47:15
    Koran 55:47-49
    Koran 55:52-53
    Koran 55:54-55
    Koran 55:68-69
    Koran 44:51-55
    Koran 56:7-40
    Koran 76:13-21
    Koran 22:23
    Koran 43:68-73
    Koran 55:70-77
    Koran 44:51-55
    Koran 55:54-55
    Koran 56:7-40
    Koran 76:13-21
     
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    What if those 72 virgins are Nuns. With rulers. Run Sunni!
     
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    I have read the Koran three times in as many translations. The Koran mentions houris, or "Heavenly virgins." These remain virgins. All you get to do is look at them.
     

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