The 2nd amendment does not say "Except for felons" or "Except as provided by law". Why not?

Herein is Scalia's "better guess"
" Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.
Nothing in this paragraphs means what you think it means.

Oh please tell us what it really means.

Looks like M14 took a pot shot, cut and ran. In the written word of Justice Scalia,

" Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited." A clear statement unable to be parsed.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." An ambiguous statement easily parsed in several ways.
 
Conservatives can’t have it both ways:

If the Second Amendment right is not subject to reasonable restrictions then Scalia is ‘wrong,’ and there is no individual right to possess a firearm.

And if conservatives believe Scalia is correct and there is an individual right, then they must also accept Scalia’s determination that the Second Amendment right is not absolute and subject to reasonable restrictions by government.
 
Conservatives can’t have it both ways:

If the Second Amendment right is not subject to reasonable restrictions then Scalia is ‘wrong,’ and there is no individual right to possess a firearm.

And if conservatives believe Scalia is correct and there is an individual right, then they must also accept Scalia’s determination that the Second Amendment right is not absolute and subject to reasonable restrictions by government.

When did Conservatives ever take on an obligation to assume that Scalia, or anyone else, is always correct?

The Second Amendment says what is written therein, and not what anyone else, however well-regarded, claims it means in opposition to what it clearly says.

The Second Amendment identifies a right, states that this right belongs to the people, and forbids this right from being infringed.

Any opinion, from any court, from any judge, from any public official, to the effect that there is any legitimate infringement of this right allowed under the Second Amendment, is simply wrong. The Second Amendment, in absolute terms, states that this right shall not be infringed. It is the clearest, strongest, and most absolute language found anywhere in the Constitution; and all public servants are obligated to obey it.
 
" Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited." A clear statement unable to be parsed.
Much like this one:
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

And I agree with both of these comments by Scalia from Heller. Where we differ is you believe "an Individual" includes criminals and the mentally ill, Scalia and I believe such persons should not have guns in their possession. In short, Scalia believed the 2nd can and should be infringed.
 
Much like this one:
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
And I agree with both of these comments by Scalia from Heller. Where we differ is you believe "an Individual" includes criminals and the mentally ill, ...
This is of course a lie, as you know you cannot provide a single quote from me to that effect.
Why do you need to lie to make your points?
 
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Any opinion, from any court, from any judge, from any public official, to the effect that there is any legitimate infringement of this right allowed under the Second Amendment, is simply wrong. The Second Amendment, in absolute terms, states that this right shall not be infringed.
Following that SAME LOGIC as in your statement above, the same would apply to freedom of speech outlined in Amendment I, which states;

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The highlighted portion of the 1st Amendment above is just as absolute, as written and adopted, as the 2nd Amendment. Free speech SHALL NOT BE ABRIGED just as the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Abridge and infringe are synonymous. Would not your logic of absolutism apply to both the 1st and the 2nd Amendments?

Taking your logic of absolutism re: Amendment II and applying it to Amendment I, Congress committed an unconstitutional action with the passage the Espionage Act of 1917 and all the subsequent amendments to that LAW! For instance, Edward Snowden simply used various means to communicate what he had learned and that communication under this theory of Constitutional absolutism would be a totally protected right and Snowden was fully within his Constitutional rights to share all he learned while working with NSA and CIA classified material because FREE SPEECH IS ABSOLUTE and the 1st Amendment bars Congress from passing laws which would ABRIDGE or otherwise INFRINGE on that right.

Such would be the application of your logic of absolutism turning the Framers' work into a hodgepodge of unworkable contradictions. But really, the only ABSOLUTE you are going to find in this life is death!
 
Herein is Scalia's "better guess"
" Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.
Nothing in this paragraphs means what you think it means.

Oh please tell us what it really means.

Looks like M14 took a pot shot, cut and ran. In the written word of Justice Scalia,

" Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited." A clear statement unable to be parsed.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." An ambiguous statement easily parsed in several ways.
Notice even the OP is a surrender on the unlimited rights notion: well, felons's rights can be limited. WHERE does the Second say that? LOL


background checks simply try to keep some classes of people like felons from buying. Those bitterly clinging to no limits even have to disavow scalia. too funny
 
Conservatives can’t have it both ways:

If the Second Amendment right is not subject to reasonable restrictions then Scalia is ‘wrong,’ and there is no individual right to possess a firearm.

And if conservatives believe Scalia is correct and there is an individual right, then they must also accept Scalia’s determination that the Second Amendment right is not absolute and subject to reasonable restrictions by government.




If the right to life and to defend the same are subject to the federal government's "reasonable"
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restrictions then the Founding Fathers would have outlined those regulations in a Constitutional proviso. Neither the Constitution nor the Ninth Amendment identify any.

Conclusion:

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.


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In short, Scalia believed the 2nd can and should be infringed.
He was wrong. The Second Amendment explicitly and absolutely forbids any such infringement.
Never mind the fact that the laws against felons, etc, having guns does not infringe on the right to arms because these people do not have the right to arms.

Where, in “…the right of the people…shall not be infringed.” do you find the authority on the part of government to discriminate against any of “the people” by denying them this right?
 
Taking your logic of absolutism re: Amendment II and applying it to Amendment I, Congress committed an unconstitutional action with the passage the Espionage Act of 1917 and all the subsequent amendments to that LAW! For instance, Edward Snowden simply used various means to communicate what he had learned and that communication under this theory of Constitutional absolutism would be a totally protected right and Snowden was fully within his Constitutional rights to share all he learned while working with NSA and CIA classified material because FREE SPEECH IS ABSOLUTE and the 1st Amendment bars Congress from passing laws which would ABRIDGE or otherwise INFRINGE on that right.

Am I understanding you correctly here?

Are you citing Snowden's exposure of criminal activities committed against us by our own government, and efforts on the part of this corrupt government to silence him in order to cover up these crimes, as evidence that government has the authority to suppress free speech?

Do you really believe that this case supports that point? If anything, it very vividly illustrates the importance of free speech,and of holding government on a very, very short leash.
 
In short, Scalia believed the 2nd can and should be infringed.
He was wrong. The Second Amendment explicitly and absolutely forbids any such infringement.
Never mind the fact that the laws against felons, etc, having guns does not infringe on the right to arms because these people do not have the right to arms.
Where does the second say felons don't have a right to arms?
Any right can be removed thru due process, as in the case of felons and their right to arms.
Why don't you understand this?
 
In short, Scalia believed the 2nd can and should be infringed.
He was wrong. The Second Amendment explicitly and absolutely forbids any such infringement.
Never mind the fact that the laws against felons, etc, having guns does not infringe on the right to arms because these people do not have the right to arms.
Where does the second say felons don't have a right to arms?
Any right can be removed thru due process, as in the case of felons and their right to arms.
Why don't you understand this?
But I thought the 2nd was special to you guys
 
In short, Scalia believed the 2nd can and should be infringed.
He was wrong. The Second Amendment explicitly and absolutely forbids any such infringement.
Never mind the fact that the laws against felons, etc, having guns does not infringe on the right to arms because these people do not have the right to arms.
Where, in “…the right of the people…shall not be infringed.” do you find the authority on the part of government to discriminate against any of “the people” by denying them this right?
5th amendment, due process clause, with specific regard to removing life liberty and property.
 
In short, Scalia believed the 2nd can and should be infringed.
He was wrong. The Second Amendment explicitly and absolutely forbids any such infringement.
Never mind the fact that the laws against felons, etc, having guns does not infringe on the right to arms because these people do not have the right to arms.
Where does the second say felons don't have a right to arms?

Felons also lose their 4th amendment rights when on parole, they lose most 1st amendment rights when incarcerated, they are immune from the restriction on servitude.

Why is that?
 

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