Tfhe LIBERTY RESTORATION ACT

[KNB]

Health insurance? This is your idea of "restoring liberty"?

Nothing about repealing the USAPATRIOT Act or reining in the NSA? Nothing about ending the endless war that America designed to never end?

 

[johnwk]

I would love to see Obama veto the following Bill having passed both Houses:

THE LIBERTY RESTORATION ACT

A Bill to repeal Obamacare and restore the People's inalienable right to make their own medical and health care decisions and choices

The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed and the various State Governments and people therein are to reclaim and exercise their rights and powers retained under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to our Constitution which were adopted to specifically prohibit the Constitution to be construed in such a manner as to deny or disparage rights retained by the people, or those reserve to the States respectively as summarized in Federalist No. 45:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”

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Now, when will one of our supposed "conservatives" in Congress propose such a bill?


JWK

"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void."___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)

The problem with the LRA is one of logic. It claims or asserts (or assumes, or implies) that Obamacare prevents or prohibits individuals from making their own healthcare decisions. It does not. They're free to choose whatever available plans are offered to them.

They are free to choose federally approved insurance with the threat of a fine if refusing to do so. Still sucking up to your plantation master?


JWK


"The mere chilling of a Constitutional right by a penalty on its exercise is patently unconstitutional." Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618

 

[johnwk]

Health insurance? This is your idea of "restoring liberty"?

Nothing about repealing the USAPATRIOT Act or reining in the NSA? Nothing about ending the endless war that America designed to never end?

That is my idea of restoring liberty with respect to Obamacare Mr. Smarty Pants.

JWK




Obamacare by consent of the governed, Article 5, our Constitution`s amendment process. Tyranny by a majority vote in Congress or a Supreme Court's majority vote

 

[dblack]

Health insurance? This is your idea of "restoring liberty"?

Nothing about repealing the USAPATRIOT Act or reining in the NSA? Nothing about ending the endless war that America designed to never end?

Both

 

[Mustang]

I would love to see Obama veto the following Bill having passed both Houses:

THE LIBERTY RESTORATION ACT

A Bill to repeal Obamacare and restore the People's inalienable right to make their own medical and health care decisions and choices

The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed and the various State Governments and people therein are to reclaim and exercise their rights and powers retained under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to our Constitution which were adopted to specifically prohibit the Constitution to be construed in such a manner as to deny or disparage rights retained by the people, or those reserve to the States respectively as summarized in Federalist No. 45:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”

_______

Now, when will one of our supposed "conservatives" in Congress propose such a bill?


JWK

"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void."___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)

The problem with the LRA is one of logic. It claims or asserts (or assumes, or implies) that Obamacare prevents or prohibits individuals from making their own healthcare decisions. It does not. They're free to choose whatever available plans are offered to them.

They are free to choose federally approved insurance with the threat of a fine if refusing to do so. Still sucking up to your plantation master?


JWK


"The mere chilling of a Constitutional right by a penalty on its exercise is patently unconstitutional." Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618

Guess what? Unless something has changed recently that I haven't heard about, EVERY state has an insurance commission which has rules and regulations about what insurance companies can and cannot do. ins Cos must provide a certain minimum of coverage. They must hold back a certain amount of money as a fund to pay claims. There are ALL kinds of rules and regulations to hopefully prevent fraud and to protect the consumer. Imagine that!

Or would you prefer a wild west kind of operation where Ins Cos can do whatever they please and just refuse to pay on claims or declare bankruptcy and walk away from their legal responsibilities while also stiffing investors in the process because you cling to some ridiculous notion that the so-called "Market" approach to anything and everything is the best way to go.

 

[johnwk]

The problem with the LRA is one of logic. It claims or asserts (or assumes, or implies) that Obamacare prevents or prohibits individuals from making their own healthcare decisions. It does not. They're free to choose whatever available plans are offered to them.

They are free to choose federally approved insurance with the threat of a fine if refusing to do so. Still sucking up to your plantation master?


JWK


"The mere chilling of a Constitutional right by a penalty on its exercise is patently unconstitutional." Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618

Guess what? Unless something has changed recently that I haven't heard about, EVERY state has an insurance commission which has rules and regulations about what insurance companies can and cannot do. ins Cos must provide a certain minimum of coverage. They must hold back a certain amount of money as a fund to pay claims. There are ALL kinds of rules and regulations to hopefully prevent fraud and to protect the consumer. Imagine that!

Or would you prefer a wild west kind of operation where Ins Cos can do whatever they please and just refuse to pay on claims or declare bankruptcy and walk away from their legal responsibilities while also stiffing investors in the process because you cling to some ridiculous notion that the so-called "Market" approach to anything and everything is the best way to go.

Your silly debating trick of switching the subject won’t fly with me. You made the comment that Obamacare does not prohibit individuals from making their own healthcare decisions.

The truth is, under Obamacare individuals are free to choose federally approved insurance with the threat of a fine if they refuse to do so. And this violates the fundamental right of people being free to make their own medical and healthcare decisions and choices, including refusing to purchase health insurance.

JWK


"The mere chilling of a Constitutional right by a penalty on its exercise is patently unconstitutional." Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618

 

[dblack]

The truth is, under Obamacare individuals are free to choose federally approved insurance with the threat of a fine if they refuse to do so. And this violates the fundamental right of people being free to make their own medical and healthcare decisions and choices, including refusing to purchase health insurance.

JWK


"The mere chilling of a Constitutional right by a penalty on its exercise is patently unconstitutional." Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618

Yeah, love this Orwellian conception of "freedom". Essentially, "free to do as you're told".