Tender Mercies: A Love Story

[PoliticalChic]

Well....since you're gonna run and hide, let's rub it in.....

Roosevelt....'moral compass'????

8. Robert C. Tucker, Sovietologist historian, known best as a biographer of Stalin, wrote:
"Nowhere [during the 'Great Purge'] were victims subjected to more atrocious treatment than in Georgia."
"Stalin in Power: The Revolution from Above, 1928-1941," by Robert C. Tucker, p. 488.

Stalin's version of 'a hometown discount'...on display to the 'moral compass' guy,FDR....


a. Mamia Oreakhelashvili: " After theSovietization of Georgia, Orakhelashvili served as chairman of the GeorgianRevkom and secretary of the Central Committee of the Georgian Communist Party. He later became deputy chairman of the Georgian Council of People’s Commissars ..."
Mamia Orakhelashvili - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 'great terror purges' of the late 1930s, 425 of the 644 members of the Georgian party congress were put to death.

Oreakhelashvili had his eyes put out and his eardrums perforated while his wife was forced to watch.

Stalin's tender mercies, as seen by the guy with the 'moral compass.'


b. Then there was party chief Nestor Lakoba, who had died before the purges, and buried with honor. They had his body dug up and burned, and is wife tortured to death in the presence of his 14-year-old son. The son was sent to the gulag....than brought back and shot.


c. Buda Mdivani was a veteran Georgian Bolshevik and Soviet government official energetically involved in the Russian Revolutions and the Civil War, who led Georgian Communist opposition to Joseph Stalin's centralizing policy....he was tortured for three months, and then shot....his wife, four sons, an daughter, were then shot as well.





9. Yet, even after the above, and the show trials.....Roosevelt said "I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."


This is the 'moral compass' of the icon of the Progressives.

Really? You are going to lecture us on the President who was made famous in part by by implementing Christian values in the New Deal projects that more closely followed the teaching of Christ then any other President before or since? That guy was the moral compass for the nation and the nation accepted it as such. Four times elected ding bat. He was elected and reelected over and over.

The "moral compass" guy was copacetic with the purges, with the typical progressive blind eye to human slaughter. He ignored the 3-5 million starved to death by the regime of the USSR, and rushed to embrace it, November of 1933.

And another "tsk, tsk," by Roosevelt: the Katyn Forest Massacre. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

He lied to the American people about the communist's aims, making certain that communism survived, both in Russia and in his administration.

I know you're a slow learner....so, once again:
mor·al com·pass
noun

1. used in reference to a person's ability to judge what is right and wrong and act accordingly. Google

I double dog dare ya'.....go ahead: say he had a "moral compass."

 

[Camp]

Well....since you're gonna run and hide, let's rub it in.....

Roosevelt....'moral compass'????

8. Robert C. Tucker, Sovietologist historian, known best as a biographer of Stalin, wrote:
"Nowhere [during the 'Great Purge'] were victims subjected to more atrocious treatment than in Georgia."
"Stalin in Power: The Revolution from Above, 1928-1941," by Robert C. Tucker, p. 488.

Stalin's version of 'a hometown discount'...on display to the 'moral compass' guy,FDR....


a. Mamia Oreakhelashvili: " After theSovietization of Georgia, Orakhelashvili served as chairman of the GeorgianRevkom and secretary of the Central Committee of the Georgian Communist Party. He later became deputy chairman of the Georgian Council of People’s Commissars ..."
Mamia Orakhelashvili - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 'great terror purges' of the late 1930s, 425 of the 644 members of the Georgian party congress were put to death.

Oreakhelashvili had his eyes put out and his eardrums perforated while his wife was forced to watch.

Stalin's tender mercies, as seen by the guy with the 'moral compass.'


b. Then there was party chief Nestor Lakoba, who had died before the purges, and buried with honor. They had his body dug up and burned, and is wife tortured to death in the presence of his 14-year-old son. The son was sent to the gulag....than brought back and shot.


c. Buda Mdivani was a veteran Georgian Bolshevik and Soviet government official energetically involved in the Russian Revolutions and the Civil War, who led Georgian Communist opposition to Joseph Stalin's centralizing policy....he was tortured for three months, and then shot....his wife, four sons, an daughter, were then shot as well.





9. Yet, even after the above, and the show trials.....Roosevelt said "I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."


This is the 'moral compass' of the icon of the Progressives.

Really? You are going to lecture us on the President who was made famous in part by by implementing Christian values in the New Deal projects that more closely followed the teaching of Christ then any other President before or since? That guy was the moral compass for the nation and the nation accepted it as such. Four times elected ding bat. He was elected and reelected over and over.

The "moral compass" guy was copacetic with the purges, with the typical progressive blind eye to human slaughter. He ignored the 3-5 million starved to death by the regime of the USSR, and rushed to embrace it, November of 1933.

And another "tsk, tsk," by Roosevelt: the Katyn Forest Massacre. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

He lied to the American people about the communist's aims, making certain that communism survived, both in Russia and in his administration.

I know you're a slow learner....so, once again:
mor·al com·pass
noun

1. used in reference to a person's ability to judge what is right and wrong and act accordingly. Google

I double dog dare ya'.....go ahead: say he had a "moral compass."

You don't even have basic modern conception and understanding of the famine to which you speak of. Nor do you have an understanding as to why the decision to join the rest of the world in lifting the diplomatic and trade sanctions against the USSR in the middle of an over four year old Global Great Depression.
Why not explain what religious freedom Americans living and working in the USSR had before FDR and what religious freedom they had after FDR. The answer is simple. None before FDR. Religious ceremonies and practice, even group prayers were forbidden. After FDR, full religious freedom for Americans. They were allowed to maintain Churches and publicly celebrate religious holidays like Christmas and Easter. They were allow to pray anytime and anywhere they wanted.
FDR demanded religious freedom for Americans in the USSR as just one part of an overall agreement to give recognition to the USSR. He planted a seed of religious freedom that a short time later directly grew into Churches and religious freedom in Poland as the Nazi's were being pushed back being granted by Stalin. The Pope and the active Churches made possible by FDR were the direct cause for the beginning of the fall and dissolution of the USSR.
That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I double dog dare ya'.....go ahead: say he had a "moral compass."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well....since you're gonna run and hide, let's rub it in.....

Roosevelt....'moral compass'????

8. Robert C. Tucker, Sovietologist historian, known best as a biographer of Stalin, wrote:
"Nowhere [during the 'Great Purge'] were victims subjected to more atrocious treatment than in Georgia."
"Stalin in Power: The Revolution from Above, 1928-1941," by Robert C. Tucker, p. 488.

Stalin's version of 'a hometown discount'...on display to the 'moral compass' guy,FDR....


a. Mamia Oreakhelashvili: " After theSovietization of Georgia, Orakhelashvili served as chairman of the GeorgianRevkom and secretary of the Central Committee of the Georgian Communist Party. He later became deputy chairman of the Georgian Council of People’s Commissars ..."
Mamia Orakhelashvili - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 'great terror purges' of the late 1930s, 425 of the 644 members of the Georgian party congress were put to death.

Oreakhelashvili had his eyes put out and his eardrums perforated while his wife was forced to watch.

Stalin's tender mercies, as seen by the guy with the 'moral compass.'


b. Then there was party chief Nestor Lakoba, who had died before the purges, and buried with honor. They had his body dug up and burned, and is wife tortured to death in the presence of his 14-year-old son. The son was sent to the gulag....than brought back and shot.


c. Buda Mdivani was a veteran Georgian Bolshevik and Soviet government official energetically involved in the Russian Revolutions and the Civil War, who led Georgian Communist opposition to Joseph Stalin's centralizing policy....he was tortured for three months, and then shot....his wife, four sons, an daughter, were then shot as well.





9. Yet, even after the above, and the show trials.....Roosevelt said "I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."


This is the 'moral compass' of the icon of the Progressives.

Really? You are going to lecture us on the President who was made famous in part by by implementing Christian values in the New Deal projects that more closely followed the teaching of Christ then any other President before or since? That guy was the moral compass for the nation and the nation accepted it as such. Four times elected ding bat. He was elected and reelected over and over.

The "moral compass" guy was copacetic with the purges, with the typical progressive blind eye to human slaughter. He ignored the 3-5 million starved to death by the regime of the USSR, and rushed to embrace it, November of 1933.

And another "tsk, tsk," by Roosevelt: the Katyn Forest Massacre. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

He lied to the American people about the communist's aims, making certain that communism survived, both in Russia and in his administration.

I know you're a slow learner....so, once again:
mor·al com·pass
noun

1. used in reference to a person's ability to judge what is right and wrong and act accordingly. Google

I double dog dare ya'.....go ahead: say he had a "moral compass."

You don't even have basic modern conception and understanding of the famine to which you speak of. Nor do you have an understanding as to why the decision to join the rest of the world in lifting the diplomatic and trade sanctions against the USSR in the middle of an over four year old Global Great Depression.
Why not explain what religious freedom Americans living and working in the USSR had before FDR and what religious freedom they had after FDR. The answer is simple. None before FDR. Religious ceremonies and practice, even group prayers were forbidden. After FDR, full religious freedom for Americans. They were allowed to maintain Churches and publicly celebrate religious holidays like Christmas and Easter. They were allow to pray anytime and anywhere they wanted.
FDR demanded religious freedom for Americans in the USSR as just one part of an overall agreement to give recognition to the USSR. He planted a seed of religious freedom that a short time later directly grew into Churches and religious freedom in Poland as the Nazi's were being pushed back being granted by Stalin. The Pope and the active Churches made possible by FDR were the direct cause for the beginning of the fall and dissolution of the USSR.
That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade.

"That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade."

There ya' go!


Now, don't every object when I call you a liar.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. This is not to say that Roosevelt was the only one....he was only the Stalin-lover-in-Chief.



Other Leftists like John Dewey, George Bernard Shaw, Fabian Socialists Beatice and Sidney Webb, H.G. Wells, etc...and the dolt who claimed that FDR had a "moral compass:.,...just like FDR, they never wavered.




"Stalin's show trials which led to the deaths of millions of people in the Soviet Union during the 1930s were strongly defended by the British author and playwright George Bernard Shaw.

An extraordinary document to be auctioned at Sotheby's in London next month reveals that [George Bernard] Shaw continued to defend the Russian leader's excesses despite growing doubts on the political Left in Britain.

Shaw, who became an apologist for Stalin after being invited to visit the Soviet Union in 1931, was sent a typewritten questionnaire about one of the early show trials by the journalist Dorothy Royal.

"They often have to be pushed off the ladder with a rope around their necks," wrote Shaw, apparently justifying Stalin's execution of many of those who had led the Bolshevik revolution in 1917.

Shaw argued that what he called "this Russian trial" had been exaggerated and he rejected suggestions that the accused had only pleaded guilty because they had been drugged or tortured.


At least 720,000 people were executed in the terror that followed. Millions more died from hunger and ill-treatment in concentration camps." How Shaw defended Stalin's mass killings


Modern Leftists, as seen in this thread, are still making excuses for the man who left untold millions to Stalin's tender mercies.


“Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.” George Orwell

 

[Camp]

Well....since you're gonna run and hide, let's rub it in.....

Roosevelt....'moral compass'????

8. Robert C. Tucker, Sovietologist historian, known best as a biographer of Stalin, wrote:
"Nowhere [during the 'Great Purge'] were victims subjected to more atrocious treatment than in Georgia."
"Stalin in Power: The Revolution from Above, 1928-1941," by Robert C. Tucker, p. 488.

Stalin's version of 'a hometown discount'...on display to the 'moral compass' guy,FDR....


a. Mamia Oreakhelashvili: " After theSovietization of Georgia, Orakhelashvili served as chairman of the GeorgianRevkom and secretary of the Central Committee of the Georgian Communist Party. He later became deputy chairman of the Georgian Council of People’s Commissars ..."
Mamia Orakhelashvili - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 'great terror purges' of the late 1930s, 425 of the 644 members of the Georgian party congress were put to death.

Oreakhelashvili had his eyes put out and his eardrums perforated while his wife was forced to watch.

Stalin's tender mercies, as seen by the guy with the 'moral compass.'


b. Then there was party chief Nestor Lakoba, who had died before the purges, and buried with honor. They had his body dug up and burned, and is wife tortured to death in the presence of his 14-year-old son. The son was sent to the gulag....than brought back and shot.


c. Buda Mdivani was a veteran Georgian Bolshevik and Soviet government official energetically involved in the Russian Revolutions and the Civil War, who led Georgian Communist opposition to Joseph Stalin's centralizing policy....he was tortured for three months, and then shot....his wife, four sons, an daughter, were then shot as well.





9. Yet, even after the above, and the show trials.....Roosevelt said "I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."


This is the 'moral compass' of the icon of the Progressives.

Really? You are going to lecture us on the President who was made famous in part by by implementing Christian values in the New Deal projects that more closely followed the teaching of Christ then any other President before or since? That guy was the moral compass for the nation and the nation accepted it as such. Four times elected ding bat. He was elected and reelected over and over.

The "moral compass" guy was copacetic with the purges, with the typical progressive blind eye to human slaughter. He ignored the 3-5 million starved to death by the regime of the USSR, and rushed to embrace it, November of 1933.

And another "tsk, tsk," by Roosevelt: the Katyn Forest Massacre. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

He lied to the American people about the communist's aims, making certain that communism survived, both in Russia and in his administration.

I know you're a slow learner....so, once again:
mor·al com·pass
noun

1. used in reference to a person's ability to judge what is right and wrong and act accordingly. Google

I double dog dare ya'.....go ahead: say he had a "moral compass."

You don't even have basic modern conception and understanding of the famine to which you speak of. Nor do you have an understanding as to why the decision to join the rest of the world in lifting the diplomatic and trade sanctions against the USSR in the middle of an over four year old Global Great Depression.
Why not explain what religious freedom Americans living and working in the USSR had before FDR and what religious freedom they had after FDR. The answer is simple. None before FDR. Religious ceremonies and practice, even group prayers were forbidden. After FDR, full religious freedom for Americans. They were allowed to maintain Churches and publicly celebrate religious holidays like Christmas and Easter. They were allow to pray anytime and anywhere they wanted.
FDR demanded religious freedom for Americans in the USSR as just one part of an overall agreement to give recognition to the USSR. He planted a seed of religious freedom that a short time later directly grew into Churches and religious freedom in Poland as the Nazi's were being pushed back being granted by Stalin. The Pope and the active Churches made possible by FDR were the direct cause for the beginning of the fall and dissolution of the USSR.
That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade.

"That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade."

There ya' go!


Now, don't every object when I call you a liar.

I asked you a simple question and you have evaded answering it. Instead you simply declare victory and call the person challenging your assertions a liar.

Once again, FDR insisted a certain condition, a caveat be made before he would allow diplomatic recognition, trade and a lifting of sanctions with the USSR in 1933. You seem to think those conditions and caveats are unimportant and should not be included in judging FDR's "moral compass".

Were American citizens allowed freedom of religion in USSR before FDR?
Were they allowed to establish churches or pray in public?
Were American citizens living and working in the USSR before FDR allowed to celebrate religious holidays?
The answers to the questions above are NO. Stalin would not allow freedom of religion even to Americans citizens working or living there.

Did all that change after FDR came into office? The answer is YES. FDR forced Stalin to accept the open and public display and celebration of worship and religion by American citizens after Stalin had forbidden it for 16 years.

The OP wants folks to believe Stalin manipulated FDR and that FDR had no moral compass.

Before FDR=No freedom of religion for US citizens allowed under Stalin.

After FDR= Freedom of religion allowed for American citizens under Stalin.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well....since you're gonna run and hide, let's rub it in.....

Roosevelt....'moral compass'????

8. Robert C. Tucker, Sovietologist historian, known best as a biographer of Stalin, wrote:
"Nowhere [during the 'Great Purge'] were victims subjected to more atrocious treatment than in Georgia."
"Stalin in Power: The Revolution from Above, 1928-1941," by Robert C. Tucker, p. 488.

Stalin's version of 'a hometown discount'...on display to the 'moral compass' guy,FDR....


a. Mamia Oreakhelashvili: " After theSovietization of Georgia, Orakhelashvili served as chairman of the GeorgianRevkom and secretary of the Central Committee of the Georgian Communist Party. He later became deputy chairman of the Georgian Council of People’s Commissars ..."
Mamia Orakhelashvili - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 'great terror purges' of the late 1930s, 425 of the 644 members of the Georgian party congress were put to death.

Oreakhelashvili had his eyes put out and his eardrums perforated while his wife was forced to watch.

Stalin's tender mercies, as seen by the guy with the 'moral compass.'


b. Then there was party chief Nestor Lakoba, who had died before the purges, and buried with honor. They had his body dug up and burned, and is wife tortured to death in the presence of his 14-year-old son. The son was sent to the gulag....than brought back and shot.


c. Buda Mdivani was a veteran Georgian Bolshevik and Soviet government official energetically involved in the Russian Revolutions and the Civil War, who led Georgian Communist opposition to Joseph Stalin's centralizing policy....he was tortured for three months, and then shot....his wife, four sons, an daughter, were then shot as well.





9. Yet, even after the above, and the show trials.....Roosevelt said "I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."


This is the 'moral compass' of the icon of the Progressives.

Really? You are going to lecture us on the President who was made famous in part by by implementing Christian values in the New Deal projects that more closely followed the teaching of Christ then any other President before or since? That guy was the moral compass for the nation and the nation accepted it as such. Four times elected ding bat. He was elected and reelected over and over.

The "moral compass" guy was copacetic with the purges, with the typical progressive blind eye to human slaughter. He ignored the 3-5 million starved to death by the regime of the USSR, and rushed to embrace it, November of 1933.

And another "tsk, tsk," by Roosevelt: the Katyn Forest Massacre. In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.

He lied to the American people about the communist's aims, making certain that communism survived, both in Russia and in his administration.

I know you're a slow learner....so, once again:
mor·al com·pass
noun

1. used in reference to a person's ability to judge what is right and wrong and act accordingly. Google

I double dog dare ya'.....go ahead: say he had a "moral compass."

You don't even have basic modern conception and understanding of the famine to which you speak of. Nor do you have an understanding as to why the decision to join the rest of the world in lifting the diplomatic and trade sanctions against the USSR in the middle of an over four year old Global Great Depression.
Why not explain what religious freedom Americans living and working in the USSR had before FDR and what religious freedom they had after FDR. The answer is simple. None before FDR. Religious ceremonies and practice, even group prayers were forbidden. After FDR, full religious freedom for Americans. They were allowed to maintain Churches and publicly celebrate religious holidays like Christmas and Easter. They were allow to pray anytime and anywhere they wanted.
FDR demanded religious freedom for Americans in the USSR as just one part of an overall agreement to give recognition to the USSR. He planted a seed of religious freedom that a short time later directly grew into Churches and religious freedom in Poland as the Nazi's were being pushed back being granted by Stalin. The Pope and the active Churches made possible by FDR were the direct cause for the beginning of the fall and dissolution of the USSR.
That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade.

"That is moral compass of greatness magnitude. FDR dumped a moral compass into the middle of Stalin's party and parade."

There ya' go!


Now, don't every object when I call you a liar.

I asked you a simple question and you have evaded answering it. Instead you simply declare victory and call the person challenging your assertions a liar.

Once again, FDR insisted a certain condition, a caveat be made before he would allow diplomatic recognition, trade and a lifting of sanctions with the USSR in 1933. You seem to think those conditions and caveats are unimportant and should not be included in judging FDR's "moral compass".

Were American citizens allowed freedom of religion in USSR before FDR?
Were they allowed to establish churches or pray in public?
Were American citizens living and working in the USSR before FDR allowed to celebrate religious holidays?
The answers to the questions above are NO. Stalin would not allow freedom of religion even to Americans citizens working or living there.

Did all that change after FDR came into office? The answer is YES. FDR forced Stalin to accept the open and public display and celebration of worship and religion by American citizens after Stalin had forbidden it for 16 years.

The OP wants folks to believe Stalin manipulated FDR and that FDR had no moral compass.

Before FDR=No freedom of religion for US citizens allowed under Stalin.

After FDR= Freedom of religion allowed for American citizens under Stalin.

.....don't every object when I call you a liar.

 

[Camp]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

 

[Unkotare]

To claim that POS fdr had any "moral compass" is beyond absurd.

 

[Dot Com]

There have, recently, been a number of "requests" for the education about Franklin Roosevelt, his life and times, that Liberal-infected schools and media have carefully and surreptitiously denied to the public.

Far be it from I to decline sharing my education to those who so sorely require.

And here comes the CRAZY!!!!!

FDR was a communist. Or something.

Here's the reality of World War II.

The Russians did most of the fighting.

The notion that we could have somehow stopped Stalin from unleashing a caseload of whoop-ass on Hilter and his Eastern European Allies is absurd.

She is batshit cray cray over one of the best Presidents this great nation has ever had/will have. Put down the randian kool aid seoul grl

 

[PoliticalChic]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

 

[Camp]

To claim that POS fdr had any "moral compass" is beyond absurd.

The difference is that you just hate FDR because he put Japanese Americans into internment camps during WWll and judge one of America's greatest and most beloved President's on that one issue you are so bitter about while other consistently post links and opinions that oppose your view. You just have that bitterness and hate in you heart to whine and complain about. Others, the vast majority, judge a man by the compilation of accomplishments and deeds in his life, not by one possible misguided decision.
You are the one that is absurd sir. You are obsessed with your bitterness over an occurrence that happened over 75 years ago.

 

[PoliticalChic]

To claim that POS fdr had any "moral compass" is beyond absurd.

The difference is that you just hate FDR because he put Japanese Americans into internment camps during WWll and judge one of America's greatest and most beloved President's on that one issue you are so bitter about while other consistently post links and opinions that oppose your view. You just have that bitterness and hate in you heart to whine and complain about. Others, the vast majority, judge a man by the compilation of accomplishments and deeds in his life, not by one possible misguided decision.
You are the one that is absurd sir. You are obsessed with your bitterness over an occurrence that happened over 75 years ago.

I knew you'd have no answer to post #51...I said it'd be like shooting fish in a barrel.



Now...shouldn't you be out celebrating.....today is the anniversary...
August 23rd, 1939 Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin became allies when them signed a pact. As a result of Hitler's victories and Stalin's land-grabs, most of Eurasia was under totalitarian control when the attack of June 22, 1941, came. The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, officially titled the Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Soviet Union.

 

[Camp]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

 

[PoliticalChic]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

"You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...."

See...caught you lying again!!

I never said any such thing.

 

[Camp]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

"You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...."

See...caught you lying again!!

I never said any such thing.

It is in your post and the one I quoted. Are you going to weasel out of it because you used it as a question that implied it as a fact?

 

[PoliticalChic]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

"You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...."

See...caught you lying again!!

I never said any such thing.

It is in your post and the one I quoted. Are you going to weasel out of it because you used it as a question that implied it as a fact?

Well...then let's let everyone see the post you claim to have quoted, and see that you continue to lie:

Here, post #51:

"Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration."


Still wanna say I said that Roosevelt "defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.."

...or did I pose a Litmus Test for your claim of his being a man with a "moral compass"?



Don't ever object when I tell all that you are a liar.


You can run, but you can't hide.

 

[AquaAthena]

1. Truth: Roosevelt and Hopkins had every intention of giving......giving....half of Europe to Stalin.
Evidence can be seen in a document which Hopkins took with him to the Quebec conference in August, 1943, entitled "Russia's Position," quoted as follows in Robert Sherwood's book, "Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate History,":
"Russia's post-war position in Europe will be a dominant one. With Germany crushed, there is no power in Europe to oppose her tremendous military forces."

Similar to Obama giving Iran approval and cash for a nuclear bomb.


2. Your spin....has no bearing on the truth that I posted.
Thanks for verifying same.

No spin. You think there was something malicious in FDR, Churchill and their teams mapping out and structuring a path to defeating Germany in World War ll. It wasn't a game. It was real and it was about survival of nations. Russia was needed as an ally. Fare is fare and a decision was made that Russia would stay in control and authority of the territories Russia conquered and overran. FDR thought influence could be brought to bare on Stalin and his treatment of the eastern European countries that came under Russian control. He died before that time arrived. A new team took over with new coaches and all you do is speculate about what FDR would have done or wouldn't have done. Your opinions are not based on insight and expertise. Rather they are formed by your construction of disjointed quotes to fit your agenda. Worse, your conclusions are based on your alleged ability go back in time and read the mind of a dead man. You are what is commonly referred to as a loon.

1. Truth: Roosevelt and Hopkins had every intention of giving......giving....half of Europe to Stalin.
Evidence can be seen in a document which Hopkins took with him to the Quebec conference in August, 1943, entitled "Russia's Position," quoted as follows in Robert Sherwood's book, "Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate History,":
"Russia's post-war position in Europe will be a dominant one. With Germany crushed, there is no power in Europe to oppose her tremendous military forces."

Similar to Obama giving Iran approval and cash for a nuclear bomb.


2. Your spin....has no bearing on the truth that I posted.
Thanks for verifying same.

No spin. You think there was something malicious in FDR, Churchill and their teams mapping out and structuring a path to defeating Germany in World War ll. It wasn't a game. It was real and it was about survival of nations. Russia was needed as an ally. Fare is fare and a decision was made that Russia would stay in control and authority of the territories Russia conquered and overran. FDR thought influence could be brought to bare on Stalin and his treatment of the eastern European countries that came under Russian control. He died before that time arrived. A new team took over with new coaches and all you do is speculate about what FDR would have done or wouldn't have done. Your opinions are not based on insight and expertise. Rather they are formed by your construction of disjointed quotes to fit your agenda. Worse, your conclusions are based on your alleged ability go back in time and read the mind of a dead man. You are what is commonly referred to as a loon.

Camp, you and I are in complete agreement. When I read this original post, I couldn't help but remember the Steven Hawking quote, "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge."BTW, didn't Burns do a documentary on the Roosevelts?

1. Well, well....another government school grad checking in.
It is no longer a surprise that your sort is oblivious to not having received an actual education.

2. "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge."
Amusing that you use the term "knowledge," seeing as you have such an estranged relationship with the concept.

3.None of you has been able to point to a single error in any of my posts....they are all correct and accurate.
Seems that 'Liberal indoctrination' permanently removes any ability to actually think, eh?

No, MS Chic, your posts are cherry-picked and cobbled, like your knowledge of the times. I'm not out to convert you though, be my guest, continue to promote antique discord. Nor will I take time to disprove your cynical view of the past which I suspect is an effort to make your present view more presentable. Those of us who lived those times, the good and the bad, will soon be beyond your pompous pronouncements anyway. BTW, I presume you have more than what you posted as documentation of your 'facts', like say the testimony of two men?

" Nor will I take time to disprove..."

Right.

Two posts by you with not the slightest hint of any more than "is not....is not......"

My posts are linked, sourced, quoted....

You are free to do the extensive research on any of 'em.


Here's a really fun place for you to start...."Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Million," by Martin Amis.

Check out the man Franklin Roosevelt fell in love with.

PC.....your posts can be counted on as factual. You do an excellent job of sourcing your material, in addition to having studied most of what you post. I have often wished I had more time in the mornings to follow the good threads. USMB HAS the perfect audience for you... You are unto yourself when it comes to excellence in posting and you provide great fodder for the hungry. May you continue to soar. The site needs you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No spin. You think there was something malicious in FDR, Churchill and their teams mapping out and structuring a path to defeating Germany in World War ll. It wasn't a game. It was real and it was about survival of nations. Russia was needed as an ally. Fare is fare and a decision was made that Russia would stay in control and authority of the territories Russia conquered and overran. FDR thought influence could be brought to bare on Stalin and his treatment of the eastern European countries that came under Russian control. He died before that time arrived. A new team took over with new coaches and all you do is speculate about what FDR would have done or wouldn't have done. Your opinions are not based on insight and expertise. Rather they are formed by your construction of disjointed quotes to fit your agenda. Worse, your conclusions are based on your alleged ability go back in time and read the mind of a dead man. You are what is commonly referred to as a loon.

No spin. You think there was something malicious in FDR, Churchill and their teams mapping out and structuring a path to defeating Germany in World War ll. It wasn't a game. It was real and it was about survival of nations. Russia was needed as an ally. Fare is fare and a decision was made that Russia would stay in control and authority of the territories Russia conquered and overran. FDR thought influence could be brought to bare on Stalin and his treatment of the eastern European countries that came under Russian control. He died before that time arrived. A new team took over with new coaches and all you do is speculate about what FDR would have done or wouldn't have done. Your opinions are not based on insight and expertise. Rather they are formed by your construction of disjointed quotes to fit your agenda. Worse, your conclusions are based on your alleged ability go back in time and read the mind of a dead man. You are what is commonly referred to as a loon.

Camp, you and I are in complete agreement. When I read this original post, I couldn't help but remember the Steven Hawking quote, "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge."BTW, didn't Burns do a documentary on the Roosevelts?

1. Well, well....another government school grad checking in.
It is no longer a surprise that your sort is oblivious to not having received an actual education.

2. "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge."
Amusing that you use the term "knowledge," seeing as you have such an estranged relationship with the concept.

3.None of you has been able to point to a single error in any of my posts....they are all correct and accurate.
Seems that 'Liberal indoctrination' permanently removes any ability to actually think, eh?

No, MS Chic, your posts are cherry-picked and cobbled, like your knowledge of the times. I'm not out to convert you though, be my guest, continue to promote antique discord. Nor will I take time to disprove your cynical view of the past which I suspect is an effort to make your present view more presentable. Those of us who lived those times, the good and the bad, will soon be beyond your pompous pronouncements anyway. BTW, I presume you have more than what you posted as documentation of your 'facts', like say the testimony of two men?

" Nor will I take time to disprove..."

Right.

Two posts by you with not the slightest hint of any more than "is not....is not......"

My posts are linked, sourced, quoted....

You are free to do the extensive research on any of 'em.


Here's a really fun place for you to start...."Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Million," by Martin Amis.

Check out the man Franklin Roosevelt fell in love with.

PC.....your posts can be counted on as factual. You do an excellent job of sourcing your material, in addition to having studied most of what you post. I have often wished I had more time in the mornings to follow the good threads. USMB HAS the perfect audience for you... You are unto yourself when it comes to excellence in posting and you provide great fodder for the hungry. May you continue to soar. The site needs you.

I'm speechless, sis.

So sorry the changes have kept you away from here.....loved seeing you post every day.

 

[Camp]

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

The above link is to the U.S. Recognition of Soviet Union 16 November 1933 letter exchanges that granted diplomatic recognition and the lifting of sanctions. Included in the agreement are the portions (letters) pertaining directly to the agreement to guarantee freedom of conscience and religion of all American citizens in Soviet territory or territory under Soviet control.

The OP should probably have read it before declaring herself an expert on it.

This is like shootin' fish in a barrel....

So...you claim that FDR was a man with a "moral compass."
Bushwah!

Although not quite as simple as you are, it is eminently simple to prove that Franklin Roosevelt was a low-life with no "moral compass."

Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration.


Was that easy, or what.
Case closed.

Are you a liar or just a dunce. You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...". Did you somehow miss the portion of your study of this topic about Hitler demanding a halt to sea traffic and trade across the Atlantic to supply Britain with weapons and supplies? Gosh you missed the part where FDR told him to fuck off and continued the trade with US Navy escorts. They had these little incidents of the US Navy attacking the German Navy and the German Navy attacking the US Navy. This was before war was even declared. It was called the undeclared war and was a battle with German submarines in the north Atlantic.
You really need to get away from those propaganda revisionist writings and study some historical works by authors that are actually recognized by institutions of higher learning.

"You are claiming FDR "defended, lied for, supported and agreed with every demand Adolf Hitler asked for...."

See...caught you lying again!!

I never said any such thing.

It is in your post and the one I quoted. Are you going to weasel out of it because you used it as a question that implied it as a fact?

Well...then let's let everyone see the post you claim to have quoted, and see that you continue to lie:

Here, post #51:

"Had he defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.....would he be "a man with a moral compass"?
Of course not.

Yet, by every possible metric, Joseph Stalin was worse than Adolph Hitler...from genocide to concentration camps to world domination....to insinuation of his spies in the American administration."


Still wanna say I said that Roosevelt "defended, lied for, supported, and agreed with every demand Adolph Hitler asked for.."

...or did I pose a Litmus Test for your claim of his being a man with a "moral compass"?



Don't ever object when I tell all that you are a liar.

Now you are just running a lame con job to try and cover up the fact you got caught promoting more misinformation. Litmus test your ass. You posed a question that insinuated FDR was being cooperative with Hitler and thought you could get away with it because you have no knowledge or clue about the topic you are discussing. These were the ships FDR ordered to answer Hitler before there was a declared war. Look them up and learn something about how FDR treated Hitler. You need to learn about the sacrifices made by brave men so that you still have the right to spew the garbage and anti American crap you litter the net with.

USS KEARNY
USS GREER
USS REUBEN JAMES
USS NIBLACK
USCGC NORTHLAND

You always have your ass kicked when you go after FDR and your dopey conspiracy theories. Why do you persist?