Remember the Ruby Ridge Assault

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RIP Sammy. Shot in the back by federal cowards trespassing
RIP Vicky. Shot in head/face while holding 10 month old baby with no weapons in her arms or within reach by a coward federal agent who should be charged with murder.

August 21st 1992 is when it started. All over an entrapment by a snitch. All over because Randy refused to become a snitch for the ATF. All because the local courts sent Randy the WRONG date to show up for court which in turn resulted in warrant for his arrest for their screwing up. I hope one day we get justice for you all.
 
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RIP Sammy. Shot in the back by federal cowards trespassing
RIP Vicky. Shot in head/face while holding 10 month old baby with no weapons in her arms or within reach by a coward federal agent who should be charged with murder.

August 21st 1992 is when it started. All over an entrapment by a snitch. All over because Randy refused to become a snitch for the ATF. All because the local courts sent Randy the WRONG date to show up for court which in turn resulted in warrant for his arrest for their screwing up. I hope one day we get justice for you all.

Did Former President Clinton Forget Ruby Ridge and Waco?
 
He was ACQUITTED. Hmmm..., seems the takeaway is 'go to court, don't run'. :cool-45:
He was going to go to court. As I stated the local court sent him the WRONG court date and by time they realized it a warrant had ALREADY been issued for his arrest and since his "crime" was a federal one the feds got involved.
 
Shooting Him and his wife was illegal and was against all established FBI policy. When he was shot he was unarmed and hgis wife was hit at the same time and she was unarmed as well. It was a sanctioned murder when no charges were filed against the sniper or his boss.
 
Shooting Him and his wife was illegal and was against all established FBI policy. When he was shot he was unarmed and hgis wife was hit at the same time and she was unarmed as well. It was a sanctioned murder when no charges were filed against the sniper or his boss.
Murder of Americans.
 
You gotta remember it was an out of control ATF under a republican administration. The dirty little secret is that the FBI sniper who shot Mrs Weaver in the head while she was holding an 18 month infant in her arms was indicted by a local Grand Jury for manslaughter but the feds reached out and squashed the indictment on some technical legal issue. Translated it means that the FBI is authorized shoot any citizen. Randy Weaver was quietly awarded a million dollars in compensation and the rogue idiot ATF nut cases went on to Waco and killed 80 people during a democrat administration.
 
The civilian Grand Jury heard evidence regarding the Ruby Ridge Siege and decided that Randy Weaver was a classic victim of entrapment by the federal police and that the FBI was clearly our of control and the federal police rewrote the Constitution. The fact that the FBI sniper who murdered Randy Weaver's wife was exonerated on a technicality is a sad example of how "conservative lives don't matter" even in a republican administration.
 
The civilian Grand Jury heard evidence regarding the Ruby Ridge Siege and decided that Randy Weaver was a classic victim of entrapment by the federal police and that the FBI was clearly our of control and the federal police rewrote the Constitution. The fact that the FBI sniper who murdered Randy Weaver's wife was exonerated on a technicality is a sad example of how "conservative lives don't matter" even in a republican administration.

What about the Waco, Texas incident. Not speaking bad about the guys....but in the video I seen - the Federal Agents ( ?? ATF ) scaling the roof from the ground, and once on top they shoot at each other unknowingly through the walls.....I believe it was near a steeple, near the far side of the roof. The camera showed the left side of the roof...all the way to the right. near the right edge; Law Enforcement climbs the roof almost near the edge, then there is a wall / steeple / bell...something like that. Then at the very edge on the right side more officers are scaling....then the Law Enforcement personnel starting shooting into the wall...from both sides.....actually shooting each other. That is from the video I seen anyway.

Was their a meeting beforehand to go over the assault?

Was the assault practiced before the actual raid began?

Where was the command and control for the assault / raid?

Was the particular assault teams field of fire not covered, as well as the particular responsibility for each assault / entry / raid team.

Why did the perimeter ( outside ) snipers or spotters, if their were any, not mention on the radio that two assault teams were on top of each other ( on the roof, near the far edge of the building ) to watch your field of fire in case a bad guy did present themselves between the two closely assault teams?

WHY IN GODS NAME did two teams jointly assault the roof in unison, and so close together, AT THE SAME TIME ; at least one team could have covered the second...then the second team covering the first while they climb the roof. This could.....and DID.... cause two assault teams to shoot at each other, as "I had seen on the news". WHY DID one team not assault ground level, and one team assault the second story, WHY AN OUTSIDE perimeter team provided security to make sure no one enters or escapes? And an outer perimeter team to look over everything IN CASE there was hidden tunnels that popped up outside in the yard or near a tree line.

As with the TV show "Cops" , did TV crews at "Waco" give Law Enforcement personnel an elevated Ego?

Plan - Rehearse - Infiltrate - Coordinate - Act - Infiltrate - Debrief !


Shadow 355 ( Previous Military )
 
The civilian Grand Jury heard evidence regarding the Ruby Ridge Siege and decided that Randy Weaver was a classic victim of entrapment by the federal police and that the FBI was clearly our of control and the federal police rewrote the Constitution. The fact that the FBI sniper who murdered Randy Weaver's wife was exonerated on a technicality is a sad example of how "conservative lives don't matter" even in a republican administration.

What about the Waco, Texas incident. Not speaking bad about the guys....but in the video I seen - the Federal Agents ( ?? ATF ) scaling the roof from the ground, and once on top they shoot at each other unknowingly through the walls.....I believe it was near a steeple, near the far side of the roof. The camera showed the left side of the roof...all the way to the right. near the right edge; Law Enforcement climbs the roof almost near the edge, then there is a wall / steeple / bell...something like that. Then at the very edge on the right side more officers are scaling....then the Law Enforcement personnel starting shooting into the wall...from both sides.....actually shooting each other. That is from the video I seen anyway.

Was their a meeting beforehand to go over the assault?

Was the assault practiced before the actual raid began?

Where was the command and control for the assault / raid?

Was the particular assault teams field of fire not covered, as well as the particular responsibility for each assault / entry / raid team.

Why did the perimeter ( outside ) snipers or spotters, if their were any, not mention on the radio that two assault teams were on top of each other ( on the roof, near the far edge of the building ) to watch your field of fire in case a bad guy did present themselves between the two closely assault teams?

WHY IN GODS NAME did two teams jointly assault the roof in unison, and so close together, AT THE SAME TIME ; at least one team could have covered the second...then the second team covering the first while they climb the roof. This could.....and DID.... cause two assault teams to shoot at each other, as "I had seen on the news". WHY DID one team not assault ground level, and one team assault the second story, WHY AN OUTSIDE perimeter team provided security to make sure no one enters or escapes? And an outer perimeter team to look over everything IN CASE there was hidden tunnels that popped up outside in the yard or near a tree line.

As with the TV show "Cops" , did TV crews at "Waco" give Law Enforcement personnel an elevated Ego?

Plan - Rehearse - Infiltrate - Coordinate - Act - Infiltrate - Debrief !


Shadow 355 ( Previous Military )
The logical question regarding Waco is why the same team that was so negligent in Ruby Ridge was still employed during Waco. A change of administrations perhaps. Apparently the search warrant alleged that a bunch of people who purchased (legal) brochures about restoring WW2 junk and may have actually purchased (legal) WW2 junk British weapons were in violation of federal law. It seems that the search warrant was bogus but the issue was never addressed during the craziness . So much for trusting the federal bureaucracy that becomes part of the media when a democrat is in office.
 
The logical question regarding Waco is why the same team that was so negligent in Ruby Ridge was still employed during Waco. A change of administrations perhaps. Apparently the search warrant alleged that a bunch of people who purchased (legal) brochures about restoring WW2 junk and may have actually purchased (legal) WW2 junk British weapons were in violation of federal law. It seems that the search warrant was bogus but the issue was never addressed during the craziness . So much for trusting the federal bureaucracy that becomes part of the media when a democrat is in office.

They had a chance to snatch him up as he went down the road, as reported in television media and news articles, as well as news magazines.

Instead of take down a leader, as he went to the store, or town.....they opted for the John Wayne & John Rambo raid. If I remember correctly, that was a decision ( to raid, versus snatch off of the road ) at the U.S. Attorney Generals office.

The end result, was fatal......and a "Black Eye" for Federal Law Enforcement. The disaster, published by dozens of television News Agencies.

Two agents, undercover inside the compound as reported by multiple news outlets, said that a assault was stupid. Even coupled with the history of Koresh and his psych profile....Law Enforcement still went in "Heavy" ; with countless of innocent civilians and children inside.

The assault was a disaster, with 70% of the blame on the U.S. Attorney Generals office and 30% on Law Enforcement. The AGs office was not there and had no right to say "Break down" the doors. L/E on scene ( ATF - Basic FBI ) was not trained, nor up to speed with breaking down doors on such a large compound with numerous "innocents" ( children & women ). FBI HRT should have handled the job, during the hours of early morning ( about 4 am ).....when body rhythms are at their lowest and the element of surprise is more likely. Opposing forces inside the building tired, weary, not fully awake or alert, confused by the element of surprise and limited by darkness.

But what do I know.

Good or bad - the human life is not something that should be taken lightly. Human life....good or bad ; is extremely valuable. Lethal force is an option at the right time - right place and under the right circumstances. Life is not something that should be gambled under the "Pomp and Circumstances" ; auspices of television cameras.

Some years ago, I did a report for English Class ( I was a nursing student ) on the number of death penalty cases; where the accused was innocent. Fabricated evidence, false testimony, perjury, jailhouse informants ling under oath. Prosecutors and Law Enforcement lying as well as fabricating evidence and manipulating the law. African-American people convicted by all white jury's in the South ( Alabama - Louisiana - Georgia ). People with low I.Q.'s and mentally challenged suspects coerced into confessions of guilt to solve the case, to quell public sentiment for the crime to be solved.

Hundreds of reasons why innocent people, almost everyday, are arrested and/or , sentenced to incarceration. Because our own justice system, the system that is supposed to protect them, failed them horribly. People walking around, with knowledge that a certain individual, or individuals got "railroaded" ; and they still eat a meal...or sleep without a hiccup or one ounce of guilt. Lives destroyed.....tuned upside down; and the true perpetrator enjoys freedom to keep on committing the crime another individual, or individuals is incarcerated for. Legal professionals whom know that the wrong person got the punishment.

Sickening.

The legal system decides punishment. The legal system deals with a person and their crimes. This is not the 17th or the 18th century where people can be barbaric and play Judge - Jury and executioner and decide whom is guilty and whom is not.

A person has the right to be judged by a jury of their peers, to know and review the evidence against them. They have a right to be treated humanely. The days of burning the witches at the stake, tar and feathering a accused person......are long gone. Early 20th century ; hanging a person on the American plains because they allegedly stole horses........is no longer practiced.

The Justice system exists for a reason.


Shadow 355
 

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