Ted Kennedy dies.

[Truthmatters]

Now many of you may be wondering what the bantering of Definitions of "Democracy", v "Republic" has to do with the Death of Teddy Kennedy?

Easy. Kennedy was an enemy of the Republic, and rather a Socialist, Fascist...or more bluntly a Statist. His power, his control via BIG GOVERNMENT was prominent. His ideals belied the Founding of this Republic in favour of Government, over the individual. That's historical fact.

Now on a HUMAN level? I pray for his very soul.

On an intellectual level? He was By, FOR, and about Socialist/Facsist/ Statist Government power over the individual, and therefore what I loathed of his works on this Earth.

Mr. Kennedy? May God show you mercy.

The founders would have had much more respect for him than you

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

the cruxt of this entire argument is founded in the Leftist desire that the only FAIR governance is that operating on "Majority Rules"... OKA: Mob rule... AKA: the Social Democracy; where legislation is passed by popular referendum.

It's a ludicrous notion... which sets the course of a nation upon the whim of idiots such as those who are commonly fed their own intellectual asses. The only thing more frieghtening than a Pelosi/Reid/Hussein Cabal is one which gives the power of GOVERNANCE to the more common in the fool family.

 

[paperview]

Alexander Hamilton coined the phrase "Representative Democracy."

See the Book: The Federalist Papers.http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ocracy&usg=AFQjCNGu-B6B4-uaZhZRmuoEfUrQ7EI1Zw

 

[Truthmatters]

the cruxt of this entire argument is founded in the Leftist desire that the only FAIR governance is that operating on "Majority Rules"... OKA: Mob rule... AKA: the Social Democracy; where legislation is passed by popular referendum.

It's a ludicrous notion... which sets the course of a nation upon the whim of idiots such as those who are commonly fed their own intellectual asses. The only thing more frieghtening than a Pelosi/Reid/Hussein Cabal is one which gives the power of GOVERNANCE to the more common in the fool family.

Why is it whenever you guys are out of power you claim to hate democracy?

 

[Oddball]

Now go get the dictionary definition of a represntative republic?


It doenst exsist my friends

Looks to me like some American military manuals have been able to put the difference into cogent printed form:



Democracy vs. Republic

Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangers of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment and progress.


"Democracy, a government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meetings or any form of direct expression, which results in mobocracy. Attitude towards property is communistic, negating property rights. Attitude towards the law is that the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguism, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy."

~~U.S. Army training manual 1928

I'll bet the farm that that truth doesn't matter a wit to you.

 

[DiveCon]

the cruxt of this entire argument is founded in the Leftist desire that the only FAIR governance is that operating on "Majority Rules"... OKA: Mob rule... AKA: the Social Democracy; where legislation is passed by popular referendum.

It's a ludicrous notion... which sets the course of a nation upon the whim of idiots such as those who are commonly fed their own intellectual asses. The only thing more frieghtening than a Pelosi/Reid/Hussein Cabal is one which gives the power of GOVERNANCE to the more common in the fool family.

Why is it whenever you guys are out of power you claim to hate democracy?

its not a matter of hating(like it is for you) as it is the truth
something you are the antithesis of

 

[Agnapostate]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

 

[paperview]

Now go get the dictionary definition of a represntative republic?


It doenst exsist my friends

Looks to me like some American military manuals have been able to put the difference into cogent printed form:



Democracy vs. Republic

Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangers of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment and progress.


"Democracy, a government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meetings or any form of direct expression, which results in mobocracy. Attitude towards property is communistic, negating property rights. Attitude towards the law is that the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguism, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy."

~~U.S. Army training manual 1928

I'll bet the farm that that truth doesn't matter a wit to you.

Your citation proves how the term Representative Republic is redundant.

"Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them."

Get it?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

it is difficult if you want to demonize the "democracy" part and lionize the "republic" part. i wonder why anyone would do that.

 

[Immanuel]

the cruxt of this entire argument is founded in the Leftist desire that the only FAIR governance is that operating on "Majority Rules"... OKA: Mob rule... AKA: the Social Democracy; where legislation is passed by popular referendum.

It's a ludicrous notion... which sets the course of a nation upon the whim of idiots such as those who are commonly fed their own intellectual asses. The only thing more frieghtening than a Pelosi/Reid/Hussein Cabal is one which gives the power of GOVERNANCE to the more common in the fool family.

Why is it whenever you guys are out of power you claim to hate democracy?

I'll say it again:

This coming from someone who claims the last two elections were stolen?

Immie

 

[The T]

Now go get the dictionary definition of a represntative republic?


It doenst exsist my friends

Looks to me like some American military manuals have been able to put the difference into cogent printed form:



Democracy vs. Republic

Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangers of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment and progress.


"Democracy, a government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meetings or any form of direct expression, which results in mobocracy. Attitude towards property is communistic, negating property rights. Attitude towards the law is that the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguism, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy."

~~U.S. Army training manual 1928

I'll bet the farm that that truth doesn't matter a wit to you.

Your citation proves how the term Representative Republic is redundant.

"Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them."

Get it?

OK...Have it your way. We are still a Republic, regardless.

 

[DiveCon]

the cruxt of this entire argument is founded in the Leftist desire that the only FAIR governance is that operating on "Majority Rules"... OKA: Mob rule... AKA: the Social Democracy; where legislation is passed by popular referendum.

It's a ludicrous notion... which sets the course of a nation upon the whim of idiots such as those who are commonly fed their own intellectual asses. The only thing more frieghtening than a Pelosi/Reid/Hussein Cabal is one which gives the power of GOVERNANCE to the more common in the fool family.

Why is it whenever you guys are out of power you claim to hate democracy?

I'll say it again:

This coming from someone who claims the last two elections were stolen?

Immie

correction, the previous 2 POTUS elections

 

[Oddball]

Your citation proves how the term Representative Republic is redundant.

"Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them."

Get it?

I get it just fine.

The original republic also had Senators who were beholden to the state houses, rather than popularly elected, for all intents and purposes, for life.

Were America intended to be a democracy, there'd be direct referrenda on every issue.

 

[The T]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

 

[paperview]

Your citation proves how the term Representative Republic is redundant.

"Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them."

Get it?

I get it just fine.

The original republic also had Senators who were beholden to the state houses, rather than popularly elected, for all intents and purposes, for life.

Were America intended to be a democracy, there'd be direct referrenda on every issue.

Who here said anything about a Direct Democracy?

No one I can see.

 

[paperview]

We are a Republic.

In our case, sometimes referred to as a Representative Democracy.

End of story.

 

[paperview]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

Show me where here anyone called it a "outright "Democracy."

I don't see it.

 

[The T]

Your citation proves how the term Representative Republic is redundant.

"Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them."

Get it?

I get it just fine.

The original republic also had Senators who were beholden to the state houses, rather than popularly elected, for all intents and purposes, for life.

Were America intended to be a democracy, there'd be direct referrenda on every issue.

Exactly...and this should be repealed...

AMENDMENT XVII
Passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified April 8, 1913.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

______________

It was a continuence of stupidity when it was ratified, and within the realm of the beginning of Statism we witness now. Kennedy was a benifactor of this stupidity.

 

[bodecea]

Your citation proves how the term Representative Republic is redundant.

"Republic, Authority is derived through the election, by the people, of public officials best fitted to represent them."

Get it?

I get it just fine.

The original republic also had Senators who were beholden to the state houses, rather than popularly elected, for all intents and purposes, for life.

Were America intended to be a democracy, there'd be direct referrenda on every issue.

Exactly...and this should be repealed...

AMENDMENT XVII
Passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified April 8, 1913.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

______________

It was a continuence of stupidity when it was ratified, and within the realm of the beginning of Statism we witness now. Kennedy was a benifactor of this stupidity.

No it should not. But you are welcome to fire up petitions for such an appeal.

(BTW, nice calling the voters of states "stupid")

 

[The T]

Is it that difficult? A federal republic is an indirect, representative democracy.

Fine. But to outright call this an outright "Democracy", is incorrect. A true Democracy is nothing other than pure MOB RULE. We are not that...albiet many incorrectly understand the distinction, and are taught incorrectly.

Show me where here anyone called it a "outright "Democracy."

I don't see it.

Anytime you HEAR a politician regurgitate the word "Democracy"...

I cringe every time I hear it repeated.