Discussion in 'Immigration/Illegal Immigration' started by dvinman, May 11, 2012.
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I watched that video and it was a lot of absolute hooey.
To begin with, it is an inaccurate and dishonest statement when people start out with the words "illegal immigrants" or "illegal aliens." Guest workers that enter the United States without paperwork are not criminals. To even try and make an argument against that reality is to attack the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution itself.
Next point, as that article points out, the foreigners get a Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the tax. The newscasters start out using that "illegals" manure in a overt attempt to incite class warfare. One wonders why they don't tell you that the 16th Amendment was illegally ratified and is a plank from the Communist Manifesto?
If undocumented immigrants bring down the IRS, I really don't care how many dependents they claim. OTOH, while entering nor being in the U.S. is not a crime, when people volunteer for the income tax and then lie about the number of dependents they have, that is a federal crime and the response to that is to crack down on people lying on their taxes. Forget calling them names and shooting yourself in the foot, concentrate on the taxes if that is the real issue. Maybe you should think about getting involved in the effort to bring the IRS and the fraudulent income tax to an end.
This feeds into the completely incorrect stories we hear about illegals and taxes. In point of fact, illegals do pay the same taxes you do but they do not file tax returns so never get refunds.
Beyond that, BuddyColt is correct. Try reading the piece again.
I go beyond that one story. I'm a newbie here, so this site will not allow me to post the url to an article that came out in 2008 while I was researching this issue. Here is an excerpt from that article:
"In Massachusetts 39,221 ITIN holders filed taxes for the 2006 tax year, up 20 percent from the previous year. Nationally, more than 2.1 million such taxpayers filed in the 2005 tax year, the most recent year available, up nearly 37 percent from the year before."
That, I discovered was a national trend. The story gives part of the reason why this was / is happening:
"But a US Senate proposal in 2006 would have required illegal immigrants to pay back taxes as part of their application for legal residency, fueling the hopes of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in this country."
By Maria Sacchetti Globe Staff / February 17, 2008 (Boston Globe)
I've heard various representatives for the IRS and other government agencies speaking to Hispanic groups, promising them that if they filed their taxes and obeyed all the other laws, they would be the first to be considered for citizenship or maybe Guest Worker status in an amnesty.
OTOH, in regards to what you stated: The Chief Actuary of the Socialist Security Administration claims that upward of 75 percent of the people in the United States without papers have a Taxpayer Identification Number and DO pay the taxes. Among those taxes are an estimated $12 BILLION DOLLARS per year paid into Socialist Security of which they can NEVER draw a thin dime out! That money represents between three and 5 percent of what the Socialist Security Administration pays out to recipients each year.
We really need to get focused on ways to eliminate the income tax.
You're the one who's being dishonest. Federal statute does indeed say it's a crime to illegally enter america. First offense is a misdemeanor, second a felony.
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
Is that jack ass Buddycolt still trying to say that its not illegal to just come into the US without any documentation?
I'm going to try and address you in the language you respond to on this forum:
You dumb fuck, Buddy Colt didn't say a damn thing about it. The HEAD of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security - the HIGHEST RANKING IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS IN THE UNITED STATES SAID CROSSING THE BORDER IS NOT A CRIME:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqim4Se70k]Napolitano: Illegally Crossing Mexican Border's Not A Crime. All Terrorists Crossed Canadian Border - YouTube[/ame]
Why is it you are on my ass like a shit filled diaper for telling you the truth? Your dumb ass never even asked what I think about the topic.
This much I will tell all you keyboard commandos out there:
It is not a good idea to criminalize Liberty. It's a concept that you may not understand, but accusing people of being a criminal has hurt more of your kind than it has the foreigner. No immigrant is an "illegal" fucking thing until they have been arrested, booked, made bail, etc. etc. down to the point where a judge or jury convicts that immigrant in a criminal proceeding. After six years, I can assure you that nobody gets convicted in criminal court for the mere act of improper entry.
Your poster boy came here with cases that got over-turned; some were about eluding police and one was even for multiple violations. You have not produced a criminal conviction for improper entry and you will not find one, single, solitary person applying the law to tell you that presence in the U.S. without papers is a crime. If you think you have to have papers to be in the United States, ask any Sovereign Citizen.
LMAO yeah retard we have open borders and anyone from anywhere is welcome to just come to the US and live, you are a retard, put your boyfriends dick back on your tonsils and shut the fuck up.
You need to hone up on your reading skills.
You quoted Title 8 USC 1325. Let me review:
1) Title 8 is in a CIVIL section of the United States Code
2) Violations of Title 8 USC 1325 involving Improper Entry are taken up in a CIVIL proceeding not a criminal court.
"Aliens in removal proceedings have no right to counsel, including Government-appointed
counsel, under the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution because the Sixth Amendment
applies only to criminal proceedings and removal proceedings are civil in nature."
That is an actual RULING by the highest ranking immigration official in the United States on a Title 8 USC 1325 detainment and deportation.
3) Title 8 (Eight) does not impose any criminal penalties, but rather defers to Title 18 (Eighteen) for the criminal penalties (i.e. eluding police, false statements, etc.) Improper Entry is not a crime under Title 18, which is the Criminal Code
4) The word Improper is not a synonym for the word unlawful or illegal
5) Congress considered changing the word Improper to make the act unlawful, but the bill failed. If it were illegal or unlawful to cross the border, Congress would not have considered changing the damn law.
If you don't get it by now, then you don't know what you're talking about.
You are being irrational because you have illegal alien family members or loved ones and you want them to stay here.
Separate names with a comma.