Tax cut question for the resident Republitards

[JBeukema]

Republicans only care about rich people. Forget America. Forget the Middle Class.

Even when you point out that very, very few rich people join the military and it's the middle class and poor that protect this nation, they say, "So what?" Republicans would rather give rich people money to piss away in some foreign bank than build roads and bridges in this country. It's the party of "insane" ideologues.

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[JBeukema]

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[wavoka]

Tax Cuts cost NOTHING. Spending costs. The government should always budget to spend no more than the total of the previous year's tax receipts. That way if tax receipts go up they'll have monewy to handle emergencies. It the go down the deficit won't be like the current $2+ TRILLION from socialisty Democrats' runaway spending on iudiotic programs that don't work - like the "stimulus".

 

[Full-Auto]

Tax Cuts cost NOTHING. Spending costs. The government should always budget to spend no more than the total of the previous year's tax receipts. That way if tax receipts go up they'll have monewy to handle emergencies. It the go down the deficit won't be like the current $2+ TRILLION from socialisty Democrats' runaway spending on iudiotic programs that don't work - like the "stimulus".

Welcome aboard wav.

 

[code1211]

You idiots keep arguing for tax cuts for the rich, my question is how do you want to pay for them and with what? If you answer is to cut social programs for the poor to pay for tax cuts for the rich please provide justification for it, otherwise shut up with your ridiculous circular arguments you keep making ad naseum.

1. Return to the total expenditures Federally that we spent in 2008 and freeze it there. The wizards making twice what their private sector counterparts are making should be able to figure this out.
2. Return to the total head count of Federal employees of 2008 and freeze it there. Why has the Federal Government headcount increased even after the advent of computers?
3. Return the wage rates of all Federal positions, elected and appointed, to the levels of 2008 and freeze them there. Not the Federal Government definition of freeze, but an actual freeze under which they don't get one cent more in countable dollars.
4. Decertify agencies that no longer have any relavence to real life. The FCC comes to mind.
5. Return the control of things like education to the states with the federal role being only a clearing house of ideas and a central point of communication. Maybe a staff of 25 in total of Administrative assistant level folks with no budget to grease slides or attract lobbyists. These folks would function as more as a travel agency to arrange meetings than a cabinet level money pit. The only money would be office rental and salaries. All other expenses would be bon by the various states.
6. Review the Constitution to figure out what is required to go to war.
7. Repeal Obamacare.
8. Increase the retirement age of Social Security by 1 month for every year that passes for all CITIZENS age 55 or younger.
9. Increase the application of Social Security taxes to include all dollars earned instead of capping at the $106,00 that it currently is.
10. Pass a balanced budget amendment that allows cost overruns only if 80% of both houses pass it. If this vote occurs, then all who voted for it forfeit their seat and must be replaced by the normal method in their states' Constitutions.

That should do for a start.

Now YOU can shut up with your ridiculous attempts to say "it's just too hard so let's just quit" line of whining. The choices are not complex. They're just hard.

 

[rdean]

When we have a "no exemption" draft, then I might change my position on taxing the ultra rich. Until then, they need to pay extra because it's the middle class and poor who are protecting their "fortunes". I'm not expecting "handouts", just "fairness".

 

[TonyLamentola]

First off rich people own and start businesses. Businesses create jobs and also start charities, funds, scholarships, etc. When you increase the tax percent on rich people (business owners) they hesitate to grow past those increase tax brackets, slowing business growth, leaving more people jobless and unable to help others or themselves. People should not be punished for being wealthy. It takes wealthy people to help the poor.

 

[JBeukema]

First off rich people own and start businesses. Businesses create jobs and also start charities, funds, scholarships, etc. When you increase the tax percent on rich people (business owners) they hesitate to grow past those increase tax brackets, slowing business growth, leaving more people jobless and unable to help others or themselves. People should not be punished for being wealthy. It takes wealthy people to help the poor.

Entrepreneurs don't start or grow businesses (supply) if there's no market (demand). The most effectual way to stimulate the economy is by pursuing policies which put expendable income in the hands of those most likely to use it (the greatest marginal utility). They will spend this extra money(increasing aggregate demand), creating the markets into which new entrepreneurs will move or existing businesses will grow. This, in turn creates the need for persons to produce the goods or work in these service sectors.


Demand, not supply, drives the market. There's a reason nobody manufactures the Atari any more- no matter the supply, there's no longer any demand.

 

[B. Kidd]

At least twice, I've started threads asking for people to list programs to be cut and agencies to get rid of.



You people never come up with anything.

And neither do the politicians.
After paying a shitload of money to rescue the banks and put a ruined economy on life support; after all have already paid once through a reduced value on their house and retirement plans, how do you realistically sell to the populace paying again by cuts to Social Security and Medicare?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You idiots keep arguing for tax cuts for the rich, my question is how do you want to pay for them and with what? If you answer is to cut social programs for the poor to pay for tax cuts for the rich please provide justification for it, otherwise shut up with your ridiculous circular arguments you keep making ad naseum.

I argue for an extension of the current tax rate for ALL Americans.... because that is fair. It is not fair to punish one group and reward another - particularly if you are rewarding those who contribute nothing.

If the Government wants to do something, they should pay for it. I have to.

Are you hard of reading or just plain damn illiterate? I asked specifically how should the tax cuts get paid for, not your claptrap about whats fair. Try answering following specifically the question in the OP, only one Republitard bothered to give an answer.

Who's propsing a tax cut? What fucking planet are you on?

Fucking tard.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I think what is being debated is not raising taxes in the midst of the Obama recession.

 

[The T]

First off rich people own and start businesses. Businesses create jobs and also start charities, funds, scholarships, etc. When you increase the tax percent on rich people (business owners) they hesitate to grow past those increase tax brackets, slowing business growth, leaving more people jobless and unable to help others or themselves. People should not be punished for being wealthy. It takes wealthy people to help the poor.

Entrepreneurs don't start or grow businesses (supply) if there's no market (demand). The most effectual way to stimulate the economy is by pursuing policies which put expendable income in the hands of those most likely to use it (the greatest marginal utility). They will spend this extra money(increasing aggregate demand), creating the markets into which new entrepreneurs will move or existing businesses will grow. This, in turn creates the need for persons to produce the goods or work in these service sectors.


Demand, not supply, drives the market. There's a reason nobody manufactures the Atari any more- no matter the supply, there's no longer any demand.

Guess what? Demand for goods and services is disappearing because people are losing thier jobs and pinching pennies...literally.

So naturally they aren't going to invest until they know what this gubmint is going to do next.

 

[Cuyo]

You idiots keep arguing for tax cuts for the rich, my question is how do you want to pay for them and with what? If you answer is to cut social programs for the poor to pay for tax cuts for the rich please provide justification for it, otherwise shut up with your ridiculous circular arguments you keep making ad naseum.

1. Return to the total expenditures Federally that we spent in 2008 and freeze it there. The wizards making twice what their private sector counterparts are making should be able to figure this out.

Right away you're off on the wrong foot. You have to tell us HOW. If it was a simple as "Just doing it," it would be done already.

 

[The Rabbi]

First off rich people own and start businesses. Businesses create jobs and also start charities, funds, scholarships, etc. When you increase the tax percent on rich people (business owners) they hesitate to grow past those increase tax brackets, slowing business growth, leaving more people jobless and unable to help others or themselves. People should not be punished for being wealthy. It takes wealthy people to help the poor.

Entrepreneurs don't start or grow businesses (supply) if there's no market (demand). The most effectual way to stimulate the economy is by pursuing policies which put expendable income in the hands of those most likely to use it (the greatest marginal utility). They will spend this extra money(increasing aggregate demand), creating the markets into which new entrepreneurs will move or existing businesses will grow. This, in turn creates the need for persons to produce the goods or work in these service sectors.


Demand, not supply, drives the market. There's a reason nobody manufactures the Atari any more- no matter the supply, there's no longer any demand.

Another believer in the "consumers stimulate the economy" fairy tale.
Tell me, how's that stimulus workin' out for ya?

 

[JBeukema]

I think what is being debated is not raising taxes in the midst of the Obama recession.

That's because you're a political creature that cares only only about the Party.

Don't worry, Stalin understands you.

'I like the way you work'

 

[JBeukema]

First off rich people own and start businesses. Businesses create jobs and also start charities, funds, scholarships, etc. When you increase the tax percent on rich people (business owners) they hesitate to grow past those increase tax brackets, slowing business growth, leaving more people jobless and unable to help others or themselves. People should not be punished for being wealthy. It takes wealthy people to help the poor.

Entrepreneurs don't start or grow businesses (supply) if there's no market (demand). The most effectual way to stimulate the economy is by pursuing policies which put expendable income in the hands of those most likely to use it (the greatest marginal utility). They will spend this extra money(increasing aggregate demand), creating the markets into which new entrepreneurs will move or existing businesses will grow. This, in turn creates the need for persons to produce the goods or work in these service sectors.


Demand, not supply, drives the market. There's a reason nobody manufactures the Atari any more- no matter the supply, there's no longer any demand.

Guess what? Demand for goods and services is disappearing because people are losing thier jobs and pinching pennies...literally.

So naturally they aren't going to invest until they know what this gubmint is going to do next.

So the businesses who keep outsourcing won't hire because the people they won't employ have no jobs and can't afford to buy anything and create demand...


go, capitalism

 

[JBeukema]

First off rich people own and start businesses. Businesses create jobs and also start charities, funds, scholarships, etc. When you increase the tax percent on rich people (business owners) they hesitate to grow past those increase tax brackets, slowing business growth, leaving more people jobless and unable to help others or themselves. People should not be punished for being wealthy. It takes wealthy people to help the poor.

Entrepreneurs don't start or grow businesses (supply) if there's no market (demand). The most effectual way to stimulate the economy is by pursuing policies which put expendable income in the hands of those most likely to use it (the greatest marginal utility). They will spend this extra money(increasing aggregate demand), creating the markets into which new entrepreneurs will move or existing businesses will grow. This, in turn creates the need for persons to produce the goods or work in these service sectors.


Demand, not supply, drives the market. There's a reason nobody manufactures the Atari any more- no matter the supply, there's no longer any demand.

Another believer in the "consumers stimulate the economy" fairy tale.
Tell me, how's that stimulus workin' out for ya?

Tell me, how many businesses would exist if nobody bought anything?


Spin me your capitalist spin, jew.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Entrepreneurs don't start or grow businesses (supply) if there's no market (demand). The most effectual way to stimulate the economy is by pursuing policies which put expendable income in the hands of those most likely to use it (the greatest marginal utility). They will spend this extra money(increasing aggregate demand), creating the markets into which new entrepreneurs will move or existing businesses will grow. This, in turn creates the need for persons to produce the goods or work in these service sectors.


Demand, not supply, drives the market. There's a reason nobody manufactures the Atari any more- no matter the supply, there's no longer any demand.

Another believer in the "consumers stimulate the economy" fairy tale.
Tell me, how's that stimulus workin' out for ya?

Tell me, how many businesses would exist if nobody bought anything?


Spin me your capitalist spin, jew.

Wow.. an idiot AND an anti-semite. What an awesome combo.

 

[JBeukema]

You think the rich hire people for fun and turn out products based on a whim without no concern for whether anyone will buy it. You come rushing to the defense of a self-proclaimed slumlord.

And you call me an idiot?

 

[The T]

You think the rich hire people for fun and turn out products based on a whim without no concern for whether anyone will buy it. You come rushing to the defense of a self-proclaimed slumlord.

And you call me an idiot?

No...They hire because there is a niche in a market and they do it for profit of everyone involved...Oh GAWD! That P word...