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    C'mon, you're equivocating on the meaning of illegal in this thread. This OP is addressing crimes that don't simply involve existing in the wrong part of the world without the right papers, but violent crimes or actions against others. Existing in a place as an illegal is not an overt action against someone else. It is a different kind of crime altogether.
     
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    And yet -- it's still a crime.

    Some people excuse it. I don't.
     
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    Hey, taking bets on this latest attrocity in Wisconsin. Don't know the name of the shooter or what his reasons were yet, but as it unfolds, I'll bet this...

    We are going to find out two things about the guy who did it.

    1) We are going to find out almost everyone around him knew he was insane.

    2) We are going to find out it was waaaaay too easy for him to get a gun.
     
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    Before we find out about the shooter, it will be claimed he's a conservative who listens to Rush.

    And gun-haters will gleefully stand on the bodies of the victims to advance their agenda of disarming law-abiding people.
     
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    What if he actually is a Rush fan?

    YOu see, funny thing about the Sihk Community. Because their men wear turbans, people with low levels of education often confuse them with Muslims...

    But I'm not speculating on that part, yet. He might be a member of the congregation who just flipped out.
     
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    Uh huh. Just speculating. Sure.
     
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    Well, there's already a thread where the OP states it was a government plot.
     
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    The sad fact is that in at least several states, a disproportionate number of prisoners held in overcrowded jails and prisons are illegals who committed crimes in this country.

    At least in several states, a disproportionate number of bar fights, burglaries, drug trafficking, assault, rape, and gang activity involves illegals.

    At least in several states, illegals are not only taking jobs that Americans WOULD do, but they are doing so illegally (under the table, etc.) and thereby depressing wages for many others trying to win contracts to do the work.

    At least in several states, illegals are a disproportionate number of patients clogging emergency rooms--most of whom will receive that medical care free of course--and form a disproportionate number of children in special education classes, and receiving other government services for the poor and indigent.

    At least in several states, illegals are using a number of aliases, floating addresses, and numerous social security numbers to avoid detection. So they're using your social security number and thereby padding your social security account and that's a good things you say? Well wait until that social security number is attached to a number of traffic accidents or illegal activities or compromising medical records. Is that okay?

    Make them all illegal and problem solved you say? All that accomplished in the 1980's when three million illegals were given amnesty was to put a huge neon flashing sign over America: "Ya'll come and if you lay low for just a little while, they'll let you stay!" So now we have 12 to 20 million more illegals. Make them legal and the next round will be 60 to 80 million.

    How many of the world's poor and uneducated do you think we can take with no controls and no regulation before we look like the pitiful countries all those folks escaped from?
     
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    Besides your facts about illegals are horrifically wrong. (They actually avoid trouble because they know they can be deported.)

    We don't look like those countries because of illegals, we are looking like that because the rich people worshipped by the right have the same mentality - they never have enough, and you often have too much. So they've been on a 30 year quest to dismantle the middle class, and we see the result.

    Want to end the illegal problem? Start confiscating the property of the rich people who hire them.
     
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    Except that not one of them had a history of mental illness on record. Not one of them. So once again we see the irrational, misinformation of the idiot liberal come to the surface. Everybody[/I] supports keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and those with mental illness. Everybody. So bringing that up is just plain retarded and the desperate attempt by the oppresive left to justify an ideology which cannot be justified.

    Like I said, be a man for once in your life and replace one of your hammers with a sickle so we can have an honest conversation for once. You stand firmly rooted in the corner of communism. Start from their and then we can have a conversation about the policies.
     

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