Susan Estrich Obama has no mandate to raise my taxes

[Trajan]

And we care what susan estrich says because?

and we care what peggy noonan says because?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What is going to be funny is watch all the repulicans sell out the rich fucks who put them in office

"Bend over Grover"

It's going to be funny watching the failure and idiots like you wondering who will help you

Trickle Down is a relic of the past

About time

You mean we aren't going to have any more massive government spending believing that it will trickle down through the economy and make it better for everyone? Did anyone tell Obama that?

 

[driveby]

Four more years........four more years

20 trillion in debt........20 trillion in debt

Debt?

What programs did Obama pass that added up to $20 trillion in debt?

Who was President when the debt went from 9 trillion to 16 trillion? And are you dumb enough to think a tax increase on the "rich" will stop the debt from growing to 20 trillion by the end of 2016? ......

 

[Oldstyle]

His mandate is that he is President of the United States......that's all that is required

Somewhere along the line you seem to have lost sight of the fact that we don't have a "King" in the United States...not even a "King" for four years! Barack Obama requires Congress to pass his agenda...including tax increases on the wealthy. Since that tax increase isn't even going to come CLOSE to fixing the deficit (despite his assurances to a rather naive voting block that it will) then at some point we're either going to have to cut entitlements or we're going to drown in debt.

Obama has a "mandate" from REALITY to fix our spending problem...whether he...or economically stunted folks like you...realize it, or not.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

First of all, all the polls are on pollingreport, all you had to do was find them, like I did.

Second of all, answer this question, why would you even need links to the polls - you're claiming you know they're wrong,

how could you know that if you've never seen them?

That's not how it works. If you don't post the actual data to back up your numbers you made them up.

My challenge to the specific poster was to post the poll he thinks says that over 60% of the voters want to raise taxes and I will use it to show him why he is wrong. Notice how that is not saying the polls are wrong, just that the way he is interpreting the polls is wrong.

If you want to challenge me on that you have to post the actual poll, and I will use it to show how you are misinterpreting it.

He didn't say that.

He said, and I quote, "An overwhelming number of Americans support raising taxes on the rich."

I challenged him to post the poll, and said I would use it to prove he is wrong.
What?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If you make 300,000 in taxable income, raising the top rate from 35 to 39, for 250,000 and above,

is a tax increase of about $2000. That's the kind of numbers this 'big' debate is all about.

You must be rich if you think $2000 isn't a significant chunk of change.

Or, maybe, you are just stupid.

We have a significant deficit/debt problem. How do you propose to fix the problem with insignificant measures?

Go over the fiscal cliff, cut spending significantly, and let all the taxes go up across the board. don't change anything until the budget is balanced, and then feel free to spend as much money as long as you can do it without borrowing.

That significant enough for you? Or are you scared that cutting spending is going to hurt the economy?

 

[NYcarbineer]

ask obama and the media, read what I am writing not what your turgid mind tells you you want to read .......and yes there is a correlation between GDP, employment and the general economic health of the country, you're welcome...

Oh, you mean nobody in the media attacked Obama for the 2010 tax deal?

You mean nobody like these guys?

Maddow And Olbermann Slam Obama’s Tax Cut Compromise (VIDEO) | TPMDC

LOLOL. Grow up.

I thought FOX MSNBC etc. were 'outliers' in the msm?



forget about growing up, get your facts straight.



Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
December 17, 2010, 4:19 PM

In a display of compromise rarely seen during his time in office, President Obama has signed into law a $858 billion tax cut bill despite the misgivings of members of both parties.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season," Mr. Obama said.

The bill, which was largely worked out earlier this month between the White House and Congressional Republicans, extends the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans for two years, extends unemployment benefits for 13 months and includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures.

Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



December 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM EDT
President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law

President Obama signs bipartisan tax legislation that extends tax cuts signed by former President George W. Bush and renews benefits for the unemployed during a ceremony on Dec. 17, 2010.

President Obama signed $858 billion tax bill into law Friday afternoon, putting the final touches on a bipartisan compromise to prevent income tax rates from increasing before the new year.

The legislation preserves all Bush-era income tax breaks for two years, extends jobless benefits for 13 months, and cuts Social Security payroll tax rates by 2 percent for one year on income up to $106,800.

President Obama thanked Vice President Joe Biden and members of the House and Senate from both parties, who joined him for the signing ceremony.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season. By a wide, bipartisan margin, both houses of Congress have now passed a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people," he said.

President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law | PBS NewsHour


here for you especially-

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'

12/17/10

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama signed into law a huge, holiday-season tax bill extending cuts for all Americans on Friday, saluting a new spirit of political compromise as Republicans applauded and liberals seethed. The benefits range from tax cuts for millionaires and the middle class to longer-term help for the jobless.

The most significant tax legislation in nearly a decade will avert big increases that would have hit millions of people starting in two weeks on New Year's Day. Declared Obama: "We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season."

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'



Congress Sends $801 Billion Tax Cut Bill to Obama
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: December 16, 2010

The final vote in the House was 277 to 148 after liberal Democrats failed in one last bid to change an estate-tax provision in the bill that they said was too generous to the wealthiest Americans and that the administration agreed to in a concession to Republicans. The amendment failed, 233 to 194.

Supporting the overall measure were 139 Democrats and 138 Republicans; opposed were 112 Democrats and 36 Republicans.

The bill extends for two years all of the Bush-era tax rates and provides a one-year payroll tax cut for most American workers, delivering what economists predict will be a needed lift. The Senate approved the package on Wednesday by 81 to 19.

The White House and Republicans hailed the deal as a rare bipartisan achievement and a prototype for future hard-bargained compromises in the new era of divided government.

Congress Passes Tax Cut and Unemployment Package - NYTimes.com

Ed Schultz: Democrats Hoodwinked on Tax Cuts | Ring Of Fire Radio: Robert Kennedy Jr, Mike Papantonio and Sam Seder

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Estrich voted for Obama, but he doesn't have a mandate to raise her taxes?

What is a mandate then?

Is it, as I have pointed out, simply a meaningless term then?

It seems to be. Bush won his second term with similar numbers, and every Democrat in congress, including Obama, was saying he had no mandate. Yet, for some reason, Obama has one now. Care to explain that, or are you simply going to call me a racist bigot partisan hack because I live in reality?

Nobody knows what 'mandate' means, as it supposedly applies to elected officials.

Everyone knows what a mandate is, some of us just won't let you change the parameters based on the the fact that the president has a (D) or an (R) behind their name. If Obama has a mandate, so does every Republican in Congress. The fact that the mandates counter each other only bothers idiots that think government is supposed to able to do whatever it wants.

 

[Trajan]

Oh, you mean nobody in the media attacked Obama for the 2010 tax deal?

You mean nobody like these guys?

Maddow And Olbermann Slam Obama’s Tax Cut Compromise (VIDEO) | TPMDC

LOLOL. Grow up.

I thought FOX MSNBC etc. were 'outliers' in the msm?



forget about growing up, get your facts straight.



Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
December 17, 2010, 4:19 PM

In a display of compromise rarely seen during his time in office, President Obama has signed into law a $858 billion tax cut bill despite the misgivings of members of both parties.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season," Mr. Obama said.

The bill, which was largely worked out earlier this month between the White House and Congressional Republicans, extends the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans for two years, extends unemployment benefits for 13 months and includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures.

Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



December 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM EDT
President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law

President Obama signs bipartisan tax legislation that extends tax cuts signed by former President George W. Bush and renews benefits for the unemployed during a ceremony on Dec. 17, 2010.

President Obama signed $858 billion tax bill into law Friday afternoon, putting the final touches on a bipartisan compromise to prevent income tax rates from increasing before the new year.

The legislation preserves all Bush-era income tax breaks for two years, extends jobless benefits for 13 months, and cuts Social Security payroll tax rates by 2 percent for one year on income up to $106,800.

President Obama thanked Vice President Joe Biden and members of the House and Senate from both parties, who joined him for the signing ceremony.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season. By a wide, bipartisan margin, both houses of Congress have now passed a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people," he said.

President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law | PBS NewsHour


here for you especially-

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'

12/17/10

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama signed into law a huge, holiday-season tax bill extending cuts for all Americans on Friday, saluting a new spirit of political compromise as Republicans applauded and liberals seethed. The benefits range from tax cuts for millionaires and the middle class to longer-term help for the jobless.

The most significant tax legislation in nearly a decade will avert big increases that would have hit millions of people starting in two weeks on New Year's Day. Declared Obama: "We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season."

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'



Congress Sends $801 Billion Tax Cut Bill to Obama
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: December 16, 2010

The final vote in the House was 277 to 148 after liberal Democrats failed in one last bid to change an estate-tax provision in the bill that they said was too generous to the wealthiest Americans and that the administration agreed to in a concession to Republicans. The amendment failed, 233 to 194.

Supporting the overall measure were 139 Democrats and 138 Republicans; opposed were 112 Democrats and 36 Republicans.

The bill extends for two years all of the Bush-era tax rates and provides a one-year payroll tax cut for most American workers, delivering what economists predict will be a needed lift. The Senate approved the package on Wednesday by 81 to 19.

The White House and Republicans hailed the deal as a rare bipartisan achievement and a prototype for future hard-bargained compromises in the new era of divided government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/us/politics/17cong.html?pagewanted=all

You posted news stories from the media.

You're obviously not mature enough to accept facts when they're put in front of your face, so as I said,

grow up.

you and facts are rarely travel the same road, so go buy an AAA membership or something.


You just cannot read and cannot keep nor argue a single point (in your head), as usual you are all over the pace and flailing- fact the media NEVER ever beat the snot out of obama for reenacting what Bush did on anywhere near the same scale, as in extending the cuts and they are engaged in propping up their own counter factual to boot.

thats right, I posted the usual dissembling the media employs when they see something they don't necessarily like, but refrain from beating the snot out of Obama, when as opposed to say their reactions to the bush cuts, all for the rich etc etc etc ....


which was one of my points from the beginning HELLO, that Bush was excoriated from day 1 and for his entire term and all we geard was- they were tax cuts for the rich.......yet here? Oh its all in the spirit of bi-partisanship and hey he did what he had to in those rough economic times....



so, how about the last 3 quarters? THESE economic times, which again was MY Other POINT, HELLO....now, its all good, they gave him a pass in 2010 and now jump onto the narrative, aside from their obvious flip flop ala the bush cuts were all for the rich we heard for 8 years, that what he wants to do now is not a contradiction of what he SAID ( see my link) and did in 2010 in that economy is just as bad, if not worse, now by the very yardsticks employed then.

 

[Trajan]

Oh, you mean nobody in the media attacked Obama for the 2010 tax deal?

You mean nobody like these guys?

Maddow And Olbermann Slam Obama’s Tax Cut Compromise (VIDEO) | TPMDC

LOLOL. Grow up.

I thought FOX MSNBC etc. were 'outliers' in the msm?



forget about growing up, get your facts straight.



Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
December 17, 2010, 4:19 PM

In a display of compromise rarely seen during his time in office, President Obama has signed into law a $858 billion tax cut bill despite the misgivings of members of both parties.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season," Mr. Obama said.

The bill, which was largely worked out earlier this month between the White House and Congressional Republicans, extends the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans for two years, extends unemployment benefits for 13 months and includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures.

Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



December 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM EDT
President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law

President Obama signs bipartisan tax legislation that extends tax cuts signed by former President George W. Bush and renews benefits for the unemployed during a ceremony on Dec. 17, 2010.

President Obama signed $858 billion tax bill into law Friday afternoon, putting the final touches on a bipartisan compromise to prevent income tax rates from increasing before the new year.

The legislation preserves all Bush-era income tax breaks for two years, extends jobless benefits for 13 months, and cuts Social Security payroll tax rates by 2 percent for one year on income up to $106,800.

President Obama thanked Vice President Joe Biden and members of the House and Senate from both parties, who joined him for the signing ceremony.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season. By a wide, bipartisan margin, both houses of Congress have now passed a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people," he said.

President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law | PBS NewsHour


here for you especially-

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'

12/17/10

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama signed into law a huge, holiday-season tax bill extending cuts for all Americans on Friday, saluting a new spirit of political compromise as Republicans applauded and liberals seethed. The benefits range from tax cuts for millionaires and the middle class to longer-term help for the jobless.

The most significant tax legislation in nearly a decade will avert big increases that would have hit millions of people starting in two weeks on New Year's Day. Declared Obama: "We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season."

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'



Congress Sends $801 Billion Tax Cut Bill to Obama
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: December 16, 2010

The final vote in the House was 277 to 148 after liberal Democrats failed in one last bid to change an estate-tax provision in the bill that they said was too generous to the wealthiest Americans and that the administration agreed to in a concession to Republicans. The amendment failed, 233 to 194.

Supporting the overall measure were 139 Democrats and 138 Republicans; opposed were 112 Democrats and 36 Republicans.

The bill extends for two years all of the Bush-era tax rates and provides a one-year payroll tax cut for most American workers, delivering what economists predict will be a needed lift. The Senate approved the package on Wednesday by 81 to 19.

The White House and Republicans hailed the deal as a rare bipartisan achievement and a prototype for future hard-bargained compromises in the new era of divided government.

Congress Passes Tax Cut and Unemployment Package - NYTimes.com

Ed Schultz: Democrats Hoodwinked on Tax Cuts | Ring Of Fire Radio: Robert Kennedy Jr, Mike Papantonio and Sam Seder

ed schulz? really? Robert Kennedy jr? getdafugouttahere....please you're killing me.

I thought FOX MSNBC etc. were 'outliers' in the msm?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought FOX MSNBC etc. were 'outliers' in the msm?



forget about growing up, get your facts straight.



Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
December 17, 2010, 4:19 PM

In a display of compromise rarely seen during his time in office, President Obama has signed into law a $858 billion tax cut bill despite the misgivings of members of both parties.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season," Mr. Obama said.

The bill, which was largely worked out earlier this month between the White House and Congressional Republicans, extends the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans for two years, extends unemployment benefits for 13 months and includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures.

Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



December 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM EDT
President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law

President Obama signs bipartisan tax legislation that extends tax cuts signed by former President George W. Bush and renews benefits for the unemployed during a ceremony on Dec. 17, 2010.

President Obama signed $858 billion tax bill into law Friday afternoon, putting the final touches on a bipartisan compromise to prevent income tax rates from increasing before the new year.

The legislation preserves all Bush-era income tax breaks for two years, extends jobless benefits for 13 months, and cuts Social Security payroll tax rates by 2 percent for one year on income up to $106,800.

President Obama thanked Vice President Joe Biden and members of the House and Senate from both parties, who joined him for the signing ceremony.

"We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season. By a wide, bipartisan margin, both houses of Congress have now passed a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people," he said.

President Obama Signs Tax Cut Extension into Law | PBS NewsHour


here for you especially-

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'

12/17/10

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama signed into law a huge, holiday-season tax bill extending cuts for all Americans on Friday, saluting a new spirit of political compromise as Republicans applauded and liberals seethed. The benefits range from tax cuts for millionaires and the middle class to longer-term help for the jobless.

The most significant tax legislation in nearly a decade will avert big increases that would have hit millions of people starting in two weeks on New Year's Day. Declared Obama: "We are here with some good news for the American people this holiday season."

Obama Signs Tax Cut Bill: 'Good For American People'



Congress Sends $801 Billion Tax Cut Bill to Obama
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: December 16, 2010

The final vote in the House was 277 to 148 after liberal Democrats failed in one last bid to change an estate-tax provision in the bill that they said was too generous to the wealthiest Americans and that the administration agreed to in a concession to Republicans. The amendment failed, 233 to 194.

Supporting the overall measure were 139 Democrats and 138 Republicans; opposed were 112 Democrats and 36 Republicans.

The bill extends for two years all of the Bush-era tax rates and provides a one-year payroll tax cut for most American workers, delivering what economists predict will be a needed lift. The Senate approved the package on Wednesday by 81 to 19.

The White House and Republicans hailed the deal as a rare bipartisan achievement and a prototype for future hard-bargained compromises in the new era of divided government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/us/politics/17cong.html?pagewanted=all

You posted news stories from the media.

You're obviously not mature enough to accept facts when they're put in front of your face, so as I said,

grow up.

you and facts are rarely travel the same road, so go buy an AAA membership or something.


You just cannot read and cannot keep nor argue a single point (in your head), as usual you are all over the pace and flailing- fact the media NEVER ever beat the snot out of obama for reenacting what Bush did on anywhere near the same scale, as in extending the cuts and they are engaged in propping up their own counter factual to boot.

thats right, I posted the usual dissembling the media employs when they see something they don't necessarily like, but refrain from beating the snot out of Obama, when as opposed to say their reactions to the bush cuts, all for the rich etc etc etc ....


.

You didn't post anything of the sort. And what is your point anyway?

You need to try to have a point. Once in awhile.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It seems to be. Bush won his second term with similar numbers, and every Democrat in congress, including Obama, was saying he had no mandate. Yet, for some reason, Obama has one now. Care to explain that, or are you simply going to call me a racist bigot partisan hack because I live in reality?

Nobody knows what 'mandate' means, as it supposedly applies to elected officials.

Everyone knows what a mandate is,

Great, then you give us the definition we should be working with here.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Nobody knows what 'mandate' means, as it supposedly applies to elected officials.

Everyone knows what a mandate is,

Great, then you give us the definition we should be working with here.

Look it up in the dictionary, I am not here to educate morons.

 

[Jroc]

Do you want me to repeat the question?

Stupid question

Not when you insisted the other poster was wrong in his definition of the rich. How can you on the one hand declare him wrong,

and on the other declare it a 'stupid question' to ask you what you think the right answer is?

You want to come up with your own special formula? How about if a person is a million dollars in debt, his house in being foreclosed on, but he makes $250,000 per year. Is he rich? You people are a friken joke, which is why the country is so screwed.

 

[Jroc]

Four more years........four more years

20 trillion in debt........20 trillion in debt

Debt?

What programs did Obama pass that added up to $20 trillion in debt?

That was the projected debt if Obama's budget would have passed, but it didn't even get a single vote

 

[Political Junky]

Estrich has always been a pain in the ass.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Everyone knows what a mandate is,

Great, then you give us the definition we should be working with here.

Look it up in the dictionary, I am not here to educate morons.

IOW you don't know either. Quit pretending you know anything you look stupid.

 

[Trajan]

You posted news stories from the media.

You're obviously not mature enough to accept facts when they're put in front of your face, so as I said,

grow up.

you and facts are rarely travel the same road, so go buy an AAA membership or something.


You just cannot read and cannot keep nor argue a single point (in your head), as usual you are all over the pace and flailing- fact the media NEVER ever beat the snot out of obama for reenacting what Bush did on anywhere near the same scale, as in extending the cuts and they are engaged in propping up their own counter factual to boot.

thats right, I posted the usual dissembling the media employs when they see something they don't necessarily like, but refrain from beating the snot out of Obama, when as opposed to say their reactions to the bush cuts, all for the rich etc etc etc ....


.

You didn't post anything of the sort. And what is your point anyway?

You need to try to have a point. Once in awhile.

here ya go, I mean I know you're an imbecile, truly, in the fullest sense of the term but for god sakes its only 3 pages, 3 posts in less than what ,a space of 6 hours?...


http://www.usmessageboard.com/6390626-post79.html

here

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6390958-post98.html


here

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6391116-post107.html

 

[NYcarbineer]

you and facts are rarely travel the same road, so go buy an AAA membership or something.


You just cannot read and cannot keep nor argue a single point (in your head), as usual you are all over the pace and flailing- fact the media NEVER ever beat the snot out of obama for reenacting what Bush did on anywhere near the same scale, as in extending the cuts and they are engaged in propping up their own counter factual to boot.

thats right, I posted the usual dissembling the media employs when they see something they don't necessarily like, but refrain from beating the snot out of Obama, when as opposed to say their reactions to the bush cuts, all for the rich etc etc etc ....


.

You didn't post anything of the sort. And what is your point anyway?

You need to try to have a point. Once in awhile.

here ya go, I mean I know you're an imbecile, truly, in the fullest sense of the term but for god sakes its only 3 pages, 3 posts in less than what ,a space of 6 hours?...


http://www.usmessageboard.com/6390626-post79.html

here

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6390958-post98.html


here

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6391116-post107.html

What was your point in bringing up the media from 2 years ago? What does that have to do with whether or not the top tax rate cuts should be extended?

 

[NYcarbineer]

4% of 300,000 is 2,000?

You might want to double check your math

The bracket starts at 250,000. 300,000 - 250,000 = 50,000.

The tax on 50,000 at 35% is $17500. The tax on 50,000 at 39% is $19500.

The difference is $2000.

This is the problem with this tax debate. Half the people arguing about it have no idea what the numbers are.

right so, why is it the dems and the media told us for 8 years that the bush tax cuts were for the rich, yet now if they all expire its Armageddon?

and, why didn't they trash him for signing on to an extension in 2010?

None of that is relevant.