Stop calling Dreamers "illegal".

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

They are illegal, stupid. None of this stuff you rattled off matters. Until Congress gets off its ass and does its job these people will never have stable residency here.

 

[DrLove]

Stop calling flashers , flashers they are just normal people who like exposing themselves to little kids.

Stop lying

Fact check: No evidence undocumented commit more crimes

 

[TheDude]

Liberal government attempts to displace responsibility so people are dumbed-down and easily controlled.

In the case of DACA, the parents are 100% responsible. That doesn't make it society's problem, especially when they're not supposed to be here to begin with. The right thing to do is deport the parents and offspring. If the "dreamers" feel they've been wronged, tell it to the parents.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

900 out of 800,000 have served in the military, uh that's not a great percentage, so stop lying about it.

 

[TheDude]

Stop calling flashers , flashers they are just normal people who like exposing themselves to little kids.

Stop lying

Fact check: No evidence undocumented commit more crimes

Stop being foolish. The statistics have recently been revealed showing illegals commit FAR MORE FEDERAL CRIME than U.S. citizens. Common sense should have told you that to begin with. States that track the data show the same.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stop calling flashers , flashers they are just normal people who like exposing themselves to little kids.

Stop lying

Fact check: No evidence undocumented commit more crimes

Fact Check: No Evidence Undocumented Immigrants Commit More Crimes

Interesting claim.
How many federal inmates are illegal aliens?
Let's look at the data and see if it backs up your claim.

 

[TheDude]

Stop calling flashers , flashers they are just normal people who like exposing themselves to little kids.

Stop lying

Fact check: No evidence undocumented commit more crimes

Fact Check: No Evidence Undocumented Immigrants Commit More Crimes

Interesting claim.
How many federal inmates are illegal aliens?
Let's look at the data and see if it backs up your claim.

He can't. Here's the truth:

 

[DrLove]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

 

[TheDude]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Keep your head buried in the sand liberal. You don't have to leave your comfort zone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

 

[DrLove]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

I already did - Need more?

Wanna cut crime? Let in more immigrants, legal and illegal
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong
The DREAMer Incarceration Rate

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

I already did - Need more?

Wanna cut crime? Let in more immigrants, legal and illegal
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong
The DREAMer Incarceration Rate

What's the number of illegal aliens in federal prisons?

Start there.

 

[DrLove]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

I already did - Need more?

Wanna cut crime? Let in more immigrants, legal and illegal
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong
The DREAMer Incarceration Rate

What's the number of illegal aliens in federal prisons?

Start there.

All the research you need is in my links.
But I'm sure you prefer Tucker Carlson over facts

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

I already did - Need more?

Wanna cut crime? Let in more immigrants, legal and illegal
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong
The DREAMer Incarceration Rate

By 2000, native-born Americans were five times more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants. That particularly holds true for less-educated Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan young men, who are overrepresented among illegal immigrants.

^
From your first link.

Approximately 43.3 million foreign-born people live in the United States. Broken down by immigration status, the foreign-born population includes 20.7 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.6 million noncitizens.6 Of the noncitizens,7 approximately 13.1 million are lawful permanent residents,8 11.1 million* are unauthorized migrants,9 and 1.7 million hold temporary visas.1

The Facts on Immigration Today: 2017 Edition - Center for American Progress

US population is about 323 million.
That leaves about 280 million US-born people versus 43.3 million foreign-born.

280 / 43.3 = 6.47

If they were all incarcerated at the same rate, native born should be 6.47 times more likely.
They're only 5 times more likely. That means those groovy immigrants are incarcerated at about a
29% higher rate, 6.47/5 = 129%, than their portion of the population.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He can't. Here's the truth:

Tucker Carlson?

Post your data that disproves Tucker's.

I already did - Need more?

Wanna cut crime? Let in more immigrants, legal and illegal
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong
The DREAMer Incarceration Rate

What's the number of illegal aliens in federal prisons?

Start there.

All the research you need is in my links.
But I'm sure you prefer Tucker Carlson over facts

LOL!

If you ever get the number of illegal aliens in jail, be sure to post it.

DERP!

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

900 out of 800,000 have served in the military, uh that's not a great percentage, so stop lying about it.

900 haven't served in the military, in fact none of the DACA recipients have served, legally they can't as they are still illegal immigrants. They have signed contracts to join, yet they can't get into basic training until they become legal, thus after 2 years of a signed contract that contract will become null and void.

 

[jillian]

de jure

[di joo r-ee, dey joo r-ey; Latin de yoo-re]

• Examples
• Word Origin

adverb, adjective
1.
by right; according to law (distinguished from de facto ).


Or perhaps.

In law and government, de jure (/deɪ ˈdʒʊərɪ/ or /dɪ ˈdʒʊərɪ/; Latin: de iure, lit. 'in law' Latin pronunciation: [deː juːre]) describes practices that are legally recognised, whether or not the practices exist in reality.[1] In contrast, de facto ("in fact" or "in practice") describes situations that exist in reality, even if not legally recognised.[2] The terms are often used to contrast different scenarios: for a colloquial example, "I know that, de jure, this is supposed to be a parking lot, but now that the flood has left four feet of water here, it’s a de facto swimming pool".[3]

De jure - Wikipedia

By law they are illegal. Which is why we have to pass a law to make them legal. Any more silly arguments?

that's true. but that also has zero to do with answering what the right thing to do is. used to be that decency was bi-partisan. that isn't the case now because trumptards hate anything decent. (not including you in trumptards, just pointing out the reality).

 

[jillian]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

900 out of 800,000 have served in the military, uh that's not a great percentage, so stop lying about it.

900 haven't served in the military, in fact none of the DACA recipients have served, legally they can't as they are still illegal immigrants. They have signed contracts to join, yet they can't get into basic training until they become legal, thus after 2 years of a signed contract that contract will become null and void.

except that isn't true:

The [900] DACA enlistees are part of a Pentagon pilot project called Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest. The program waives certain citizenship requirements for green card holders, refugees and DACA recipients with skills that the military considers essential to the national interest.


The group includes doctors, nurses, and service members with proficiency in a language considered to be of strategic importance. Spanish is not one of those languages, but Arabic, Russian, Chinese and Korean are.

Homeland Security spokesman Dave Lapan said his agency and the Pentagon were still reviewing how to handle the military status of DACA recipients who are serving.


Trump administration struggles with fate of 900 DREAMers serving in the military

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

900 out of 800,000 have served in the military, uh that's not a great percentage, so stop lying about it.

900 haven't served in the military, in fact none of the DACA recipients have served, legally they can't as they are still illegal immigrants. They have signed contracts to join, yet they can't get into basic training until they become legal, thus after 2 years of a signed contract that contract will become null and void.

except that isn't true:

The [900] DACA enlistees are part of a Pentagon pilot project called Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest. The program waives certain citizenship requirements for green card holders, refugees and DACA recipients with skills that the military considers essential to the national interest.


The group includes doctors, nurses, and service members with proficiency in a language considered to be of strategic importance. Spanish is not one of those languages, but Arabic, Russian, Chinese and Korean are.

Homeland Security spokesman Dave Lapan said his agency and the Pentagon were still reviewing how to handle the military status of DACA recipients who are serving.


Trump administration struggles with fate of 900 DREAMers serving in the military

They are not serving, go look up how many are in that program , you might find 1 or 2. You will find very few immigrants at all, as it requires specialty languages in order to get in. There are no DACA Doctors nor Nurses in it. Like your link says, Spanish isn't a language that would qualify.

MAVNI is a closed program and is no longer in use. MAVNI Program Closed and Its Future is Uncertain - International Student Magazine

MAVNI was a program that allowed non-immigrants to join the U.S. Military and earn U.S. citizenship. But as of June 24, 2016, the program is discontinued.

Immigrants and Non-Citizens in the US Armed Forces

A non-citizen must meet certain requirements to be eligible to join the military. The must have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (stamped I-94 or I-551 Green card/INS Form 1-551) as well as a bona fide residence established with an established a record of the U.S. as their home. If the non-citizens comes from countries with a reputation of hostility towards the U.S, they may require a waiver. The federal government cannot petition on behalf of an illegal immigrant so that they can obtain legal status and be able to enlist in the military.

 

[jillian]

Are y'all familiar with the term...

de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb

1. in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
   
   DACA kids are de facto citizens of the U.S.
   
   --they know no other country, pay taxes, serve in the OUR military and are better American citizens than the xenophobes and bigots who want them deported...
   
   The typical Trump xenophobe is a bitter pathetic failure in life who wants to blame their own lack of accomplishments on someone else. Most are not smart enough, educated enough, or hard working enough to accomplish what DACA kids have.
   
   DACA kids represent the best of us. We should focus on getting rid of the ugly vile racists who drag our country down under the guise of making it great.
   
   
   FACTS:
   
   Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
   
   Eligibility
   To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[38] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[3]
   
   In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[39][38]
   
   To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:
   
   
   • Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
   • Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
   • Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
   • Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
   • Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
   • Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
   • Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
   
   
   

900 out of 800,000 have served in the military, uh that's not a great percentage, so stop lying about it.

900 haven't served in the military, in fact none of the DACA recipients have served, legally they can't as they are still illegal immigrants. They have signed contracts to join, yet they can't get into basic training until they become legal, thus after 2 years of a signed contract that contract will become null and void.

except that isn't true:

The [900] DACA enlistees are part of a Pentagon pilot project called Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest. The program waives certain citizenship requirements for green card holders, refugees and DACA recipients with skills that the military considers essential to the national interest.


The group includes doctors, nurses, and service members with proficiency in a language considered to be of strategic importance. Spanish is not one of those languages, but Arabic, Russian, Chinese and Korean are.

Homeland Security spokesman Dave Lapan said his agency and the Pentagon were still reviewing how to handle the military status of DACA recipients who are serving.


Trump administration struggles with fate of 900 DREAMers serving in the military

They are not serving, go look up how many are in that program , you might find 1 or 2. You will find very few immigrants at all, as it requires specialty languages in order to get in. There are no DACA Doctors nor Nurses in it. Like your link says, Spanish isn't a language that would qualify.

I did look it up. that's where the 900 came from. again, the article says what it says. that's from USA today, a pretty middle America paper.

DACA recipients speak English. they were raised here. some of them don't even speak the language of their country of birth.

is there some reason you feel bound to lie about this?