TheGreatGatsby
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If the govt started prosecuting for lies much of the media would ve shut down and all politicians would say nothing.
Exactly!
And I'd be fine with that. But then who's going to shut down the government?
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If the govt started prosecuting for lies much of the media would ve shut down and all politicians would say nothing.
Exactly!
Someone who lies about his military record is a liar and a jerk....he is not a criminal
Literally. Certainly his actions are metaphorically criminal.
Someone who lies about his military record is a liar and a jerk....he is not a criminal
Literally. Certainly his actions are metaphorically criminal.
No they are either criminal are they arent. Thats the beauty of the law. Its black and white.
Literally. Certainly his actions are metaphorically criminal.
No they are either criminal are they arent. Thats the beauty of the law. Its black and white.
Ever hear of someone called a "lawyer"? The law is whatever a court says it is.
I have to agree with the judge.
I saw what you did their syrenn and I disagree, it is not the same.
I guess I'll pee in the pool.
I truly don't see an issue with PX Rangers other than their own lies eventually catching up to them. I do see an issue with a PX Ranger lying in order to get veterans' benefits from the government. On the one hand, you have a liar who basically isn't harming anyone other than his own sense of honor. On the other hand, you have someone who is attempting to gain financial, medical or other similar benefits under false pretenses, which is already defined as a criminal act.
If the gist of the Supreme Court's decision is that people have the right to be stupid, then it's a good decision. Otherwise, this can get out of hand any time anyone tells a war story.
Don't get me wrong: I think anyone who tries to pass himself off as a combat vet without having paid his dues is lower than whale dung. But it seems to me that passing a law to criminalize that act will probably end up as one of those well-intentioned but dumb law that gets out of hand. It's these types of laws that result in little old ladies being harassed because they had the audacity to display the US flag on their front porch or in little kids being sent home because they sang the National Anthem. I think the Stolen Valor Act falls under the category of "be careful what you ask for...you just might get it."
We have enough laws already. Those who lie about having been there-done that eventually get found out, and whether they admit it or not, eventually end up hiding under a cloud of shame that eats away at them.
What would be interesting though would be a public registry through the VA or DOD where there could be a method of verification.
What would be interesting though would be a public registry through the VA or DOD where there could be a method of verification.
For what useful or relevant purpose?
Service records can be provided by the applicant for employment, education, or veterans benefits, otherwise theres no need.
This being such an emotional and subjective issue for some is why we have a First Amendment and judicial review. That the Act was in validated by the Supreme Court demonstrates Congress motive was political, not legal.
So would impersonating an officer be legal??? Where do you draw the line?
Impersonating a Police Officer is illegal I believe, so should impersonating a Military member.
There is an actual statute against that I believe.
what if lied about being an officer in the military? Is that protected?
I honestly don't know now. Prior to this ruling that would have been against the law under Stolen Valor. I know it is against the UCMJ to impersonate an Officer or NCO, but most of us do not fall under the UCMJ. Used to.........