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Planned economies gave us the transcontinental railroad and telegraph lines. Planned economies gave the south electricity through the TVA. Planned economies built the "Space Coast" of Florida and helped Huntsville Alabama and Houston Texas grow.Seems even Capitalists have a hard time with responsibility too. If those vaunted Capitalists were as responsible as we all hoped, they certainly wouldn't keep wringing out more profit at the expense of small investors. Those Capitalists wouldn't have had to employ robo-signers pretending to be bank officers just to get more foreclosures out the door. Those responsible Capitalists wouldn't have polluted parts of this planet so they can no longer be occupied or farmed.That's because progressives have a difficult time with responsibility - meaning you.
Sure there's a lot of blame to go around. But it has to GO AROUND and not just be deposited at the feet of political opponents.
That's not a very responsible way to behave.
I wouldn't exactly call investing in bonds or buying a car or home on a 30% interest rate "investing."
I want real capitalism - not this dictated bullshit. However people continually elect asshats who support the idea of a planned economy - and planned economies fail.
Have you ever heard the term "disaster capitalism"? Look it up, it's how modern fortunes are made and it's destroying all faith in the world economy.
Bill Ayers wakes up every morning hoping to end Capitalism. I hope the lunatic never wakes up.
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I've read Naomi Klein's book. She coined that term. Again though, that isn't true capitalism. It's state capitalism and there is a big difference.
Planned economies gave us the transcontinental railroad and telegraph lines. Planned economies gave the south electricity through the TVA. Planned economies built the "Space Coast" of Florida and helped Huntsville Alabama and Houston Texas grow.Seems even Capitalists have a hard time with responsibility too. If those vaunted Capitalists were as responsible as we all hoped, they certainly wouldn't keep wringing out more profit at the expense of small investors. Those Capitalists wouldn't have had to employ robo-signers pretending to be bank officers just to get more foreclosures out the door. Those responsible Capitalists wouldn't have polluted parts of this planet so they can no longer be occupied or farmed.
Sure there's a lot of blame to go around. But it has to GO AROUND and not just be deposited at the feet of political opponents.
That's not a very responsible way to behave.
I wouldn't exactly call investing in bonds or buying a car or home on a 30% interest rate "investing."
I want real capitalism - not this dictated bullshit. However people continually elect asshats who support the idea of a planned economy - and planned economies fail.
And a planned economy helps your grandparents enjoy retirement with dignity and health.
Have you ever heard the term "disaster capitalism"? Look it up, it's how modern fortunes are made and it's destroying all faith in the world economy.
What is that some progressive manufactured name to justify a more dictated economy??
I'll tell you what I have heard of - fascism - as in - our currently dictated economy..
You know - politicians attempting to dictate outcomes.
In the absence of growth and innovation, any economic system will fail. The absence of growth and innovation comes to capitalism via the liberal cause of giving what belongs to the producers to the moochers who then support liberalism because they don't have to work. Get rid of liberalism and the economy of a capitalistic nation will flourish, making a LOT MORE PEOPLE BETTER OFF THAN THEY ARE NOW, including the rich investors AND the working people whose jobs depend on a flourishing economy.The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.
You would matter even less in a communist society. Historically, communist nations have MURDERED citizens by the MILLIONS. I suppose that's one method of "taking care of the people". Kill millions, create food for the survivors.The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.
The "fundamental flaw" is people are idiots and lazy...
If this economy was better idiots would be charging up a storm....
Sorry you cant pay off your2009 BMW on 50 dollar a month payments then cry that you're getting fucked while you make 40k a year....
So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.
Under capitalism, anyone can become one of those that money seems to be funneled to. Under communism, the money is funneled to the ruling elite and the peasants have no chance of joining that group.So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.
How about the notion that the only way to have a socialist economy is to destroy a capitalist economy??
How about this notion? Since we know the economy is a fixed game, rigged to funnel money to a few, why do you only blame the losers?
None of what you say here makes capitalism bad or communism good. You want to see real poverty...study the bottom of the pecking order in China. (I am not saying that China represents a truly communistic country...just that our capitalism beats their MO hands down.)How about this notion? Since we know the economy is a fixed game, rigged to funnel money to a few, why do you only blame the losers?
Calling it a fixed game is merely a way of saying that you're not responsible for the consequences of your actions.
Don't make assumptions about me personally, I am doing OK, but the country is full of people who did nothing wrong and still failed, people who lost because they had a higher standard of living than people in China or India or whatever shithole swallowed our manufacturing/tech base. Decisions were made long ago that we would be a service based economy, there are consequences to having a race to the bottom with people who have no problem exploiting third world labor.
I've read Naomi Klein's book. She coined that term. Again though, that isn't true capitalism. It's state capitalism and there is a big difference.
Call it what you like, but it is the reason so many have such a low opinion of capitalism these days. These engineered bubble and bust events are nothing but schemes to suck money out of national economies. The bankers own us and nearly everyone else. There is no solution that allows the too big to fail monsters to continue to exist.
Planned economies gave us the transcontinental railroad and telegraph lines. Planned economies gave the south electricity through the TVA. Planned economies built the "Space Coast" of Florida and helped Huntsville Alabama and Houston Texas grow.I wouldn't exactly call investing in bonds or buying a car or home on a 30% interest rate "investing."
I want real capitalism - not this dictated bullshit. However people continually elect asshats who support the idea of a planned economy - and planned economies fail.
And a planned economy helps your grandparents enjoy retirement with dignity and health.
If you believe any of that you're dumb...
Planned economies gave China the 5-year plan - planned economies gave you Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro etc...
You cant dictate economies or outcomes - every time it's been attempted really really really bad things happened.
I've read Naomi Klein's book. She coined that term. Again though, that isn't true capitalism. It's state capitalism and there is a big difference.
Call it what you like, but it is the reason so many have such a low opinion of capitalism these days. These engineered bubble and bust events are nothing but schemes to suck money out of national economies. The bankers own us and nearly everyone else. There is no solution that allows the too big to fail monsters to continue to exist.
Planned economies gave us the transcontinental railroad and telegraph lines. Planned economies gave the south electricity through the TVA. Planned economies built the "Space Coast" of Florida and helped Huntsville Alabama and Houston Texas grow.
And a planned economy helps your grandparents enjoy retirement with dignity and health.
If you believe any of that you're dumb...
Planned economies gave China the 5-year plan - planned economies gave you Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro etc...
You cant dictate economies or outcomes - every time it's been attempted really really really bad things happened.
Gee. I'm sorry if you think I'm dumb for posting about planned economies and citing the Transcontinental Railroad and the TVA. You should learn something about them before you call someone else dumb. It reflects poorly on your ability to understand what the hell you are talking about.
I've read Naomi Klein's book. She coined that term. Again though, that isn't true capitalism. It's state capitalism and there is a big difference.
Call it what you like, but it is the reason so many have such a low opinion of capitalism these days. These engineered bubble and bust events are nothing but schemes to suck money out of national economies. The bankers own us and nearly everyone else. There is no solution that allows the too big to fail monsters to continue to exist.
Calling it what is, is the essence of finding the solution. The call to end capitalism today is reactionary out of a complete misunderstanding of the problem. The booms and busts, i do not believe are deliberately engineered. They are the result of arcane academic belief in economics as a hard, or natural science, vs. what it truly is, which is a social or philisophical one. It has been happening for almost a century now.
Complexity theory dictates that the more complex a system becomes, the less energy will come out of it than that put in. This is known as the law of diminishing returns. Our govt. is on the end of this curve that signals collapse. The same can be said for the fiat money system that is in place.
Capitalism will, after a period of chaos, become the soluition and re-establishment of what was lost in this once great nation, and perhaps the entire world.
Call it what you like, but it is the reason so many have such a low opinion of capitalism these days. These engineered bubble and bust events are nothing but schemes to suck money out of national economies. The bankers own us and nearly everyone else. There is no solution that allows the too big to fail monsters to continue to exist.
Calling it what is, is the essence of finding the solution. The call to end capitalism today is reactionary out of a complete misunderstanding of the problem. The booms and busts, i do not believe are deliberately engineered. They are the result of arcane academic belief in economics as a hard, or natural science, vs. what it truly is, which is a social or philisophical one. It has been happening for almost a century now.
Complexity theory dictates that the more complex a system becomes, the less energy will come out of it than that put in. This is known as the law of diminishing returns. Our govt. is on the end of this curve that signals collapse. The same can be said for the fiat money system that is in place.
Capitalism will, after a period of chaos, become the soluition and re-establishment of what was lost in this once great nation, and perhaps the entire world.
Societies crave stability, capitalism alone cannot offer any kind of stable long term prosperity that promotes faith in an economic system because it is devoid of altruism.
Call it what you like, but it is the reason so many have such a low opinion of capitalism these days. These engineered bubble and bust events are nothing but schemes to suck money out of national economies. The bankers own us and nearly everyone else. There is no solution that allows the too big to fail monsters to continue to exist.
Calling it what is, is the essence of finding the solution. The call to end capitalism today is reactionary out of a complete misunderstanding of the problem. The booms and busts, i do not believe are deliberately engineered. They are the result of arcane academic belief in economics as a hard, or natural science, vs. what it truly is, which is a social or philisophical one. It has been happening for almost a century now.
Complexity theory dictates that the more complex a system becomes, the less energy will come out of it than that put in. This is known as the law of diminishing returns. Our govt. is on the end of this curve that signals collapse. The same can be said for the fiat money system that is in place.
Capitalism will, after a period of chaos, become the soluition and re-establishment of what was lost in this once great nation, and perhaps the entire world.
Societies crave stability, capitalism alone cannot offer any kind of stable long term prosperity that promotes faith in an economic system because it is devoid of altruism.
So I guess the fact that Americans set the standard for quality of life since the end of WWII does not weigh in the balance of your poor and inept argument.If you believe any of that you're dumb...
Planned economies gave China the 5-year plan - planned economies gave you Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro etc...
You cant dictate economies or outcomes - every time it's been attempted really really really bad things happened.
Gee. I'm sorry if you think I'm dumb for posting about planned economies and citing the Transcontinental Railroad and the TVA. You should learn something about them before you call someone else dumb. It reflects poorly on your ability to understand what the hell you are talking about.
Really???
Because Wilson and FDR are ALSO responsible for our economic mess due to their unprecedented policies which are now precedent (see Obamafuck)...
Sure planned economies TEMPORARILY WORK - they just don't last...
Sell the future out for the present is pretty much the motto..... Like Wilson or FDR even gave a shit about the future, they knew they would be dead before they would have the finger wagging at them.
Calling it what is, is the essence of finding the solution. The call to end capitalism today is reactionary out of a complete misunderstanding of the problem. The booms and busts, i do not believe are deliberately engineered. They are the result of arcane academic belief in economics as a hard, or natural science, vs. what it truly is, which is a social or philisophical one. It has been happening for almost a century now.
Complexity theory dictates that the more complex a system becomes, the less energy will come out of it than that put in. This is known as the law of diminishing returns. Our govt. is on the end of this curve that signals collapse. The same can be said for the fiat money system that is in place.
Capitalism will, after a period of chaos, become the soluition and re-establishment of what was lost in this once great nation, and perhaps the entire world.
Societies crave stability, capitalism alone cannot offer any kind of stable long term prosperity that promotes faith in an economic system because it is devoid of altruism.
You're caught up in the typical collective thought model. It assumes that everyone has the exact same goals, ambitions and talents. That is false. Societies are made up of individuals, each with a distinct skill set, goal, dream and ultimately pursuit. A set of rules to follow was handed to the US by the constitution to allow everyone (with the exception of the social flaws of the era) to enhance these individuals abilities to pursue.
Capitalism, coupled with the laws to allow for the above, is what made this nation great. The altruism is the loyalty to ones own pursuits, and defending their liberty to pursue those things to the death.
Don't tread on me, remember?
So I guess the fact that Americans set the standard for quality of life since the end of WWII does not weigh in the balance of your poor and inept argument.Gee. I'm sorry if you think I'm dumb for posting about planned economies and citing the Transcontinental Railroad and the TVA. You should learn something about them before you call someone else dumb. It reflects poorly on your ability to understand what the hell you are talking about.
Really???
Because Wilson and FDR are ALSO responsible for our economic mess due to their unprecedented policies which are now precedent (see Obamafuck)...
Sure planned economies TEMPORARILY WORK - they just don't last...
Sell the future out for the present is pretty much the motto..... Like Wilson or FDR even gave a shit about the future, they knew they would be dead before they would have the finger wagging at them.
Societies crave stability, capitalism alone cannot offer any kind of stable long term prosperity that promotes faith in an economic system because it is devoid of altruism.
You're caught up in the typical collective thought model. It assumes that everyone has the exact same goals, ambitions and talents. That is false. Societies are made up of individuals, each with a distinct skill set, goal, dream and ultimately pursuit. A set of rules to follow was handed to the US by the constitution to allow everyone (with the exception of the social flaws of the era) to enhance these individuals abilities to pursue.
Capitalism, coupled with the laws to allow for the above, is what made this nation great. The altruism is the loyalty to ones own pursuits, and defending their liberty to pursue those things to the death.
Don't tread on me, remember?
Really so what would you do if a hypothetical stock you owned only grew at the same rate as the population? That's right, you would dump it, stability is a loss to capitalism, only engineered bubbles, artificial shortages and well timed short sells remain.
It's not his fault that western corporatism/capitalism is fundamentally flawed and doomed to collapse.
You're caught up in the typical collective thought model. It assumes that everyone has the exact same goals, ambitions and talents. That is false. Societies are made up of individuals, each with a distinct skill set, goal, dream and ultimately pursuit. A set of rules to follow was handed to the US by the constitution to allow everyone (with the exception of the social flaws of the era) to enhance these individuals abilities to pursue.
Capitalism, coupled with the laws to allow for the above, is what made this nation great. The altruism is the loyalty to ones own pursuits, and defending their liberty to pursue those things to the death.
Don't tread on me, remember?
Really so what would you do if a hypothetical stock you owned only grew at the same rate as the population? That's right, you would dump it, stability is a loss to capitalism, only engineered bubbles, artificial shortages and well timed short sells remain.
What do you do when your population outgrows your food supply??? oh yeah you CULL AND PURGE PEOPLE.....
That's what communists do - because under communism (planned economy) individuals are nothing more than stock...
So would you rather gamble with money or individuals lives???
Remember "The Wall" dummy?
