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It's not his fault that western corporatism/capitalism is fundamentally flawed and doomed to collapse.
 
It is flawed, but without it, what do you have? The American dream is all but lost. Under Obama for 4 more years, kiss it goodbye.
 
The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.
 
The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.

The "fundamental flaw" is people are idiots and lazy...

If this economy was better idiots would be charging up a storm....

Sorry you cant pay off your2009 BMW on 50 dollar a month payments then cry that you're getting fucked while you make 40k a year....
 
The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.

The "fundamental flaw" is people are idiots and lazy...

If this economy was better idiots would be charging up a storm....

Sorry you cant pay off your2009 BMW on 50 dollar a month payments then cry that you're getting fucked while you make 40k a year....

So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.
 
I love how some think.... Some people were smart and lived within their means and others didn't and those that did - that were responsible - should now be on the hook for those that didn't?????

Are these people insane or stupid???

Obviously some people (regardless of their position) were able to resist the temptation - some didn't...

cry, cry, cry....

I understood, hence I owe NOTHING to anyone....

Who are really the greedy ones??

I never asked anyone to front me a car, a house, food or anything.........
 
The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.

The "fundamental flaw" is people are idiots and lazy...

If this economy was better idiots would be charging up a storm....

Sorry you cant pay off your2009 BMW on 50 dollar a month payments then cry that you're getting fucked while you make 40k a year....

So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.

How about the notion that the only way to have a socialist economy is to destroy a capitalist economy??
 
The "fundamental flaw" is people are idiots and lazy...

If this economy was better idiots would be charging up a storm....

Sorry you cant pay off your2009 BMW on 50 dollar a month payments then cry that you're getting fucked while you make 40k a year....

So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.

How about the notion that the only way to have a socialist economy is to destroy a capitalist economy??

How about this notion? Since we know the economy is a fixed game, rigged to funnel money to a few, why do you only blame the losers?
 
So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.

How about the notion that the only way to have a socialist economy is to destroy a capitalist economy??

How about this notion? Since we know the economy is a fixed game, rigged to funnel money to a few, why do you only blame the losers?

Calling it a fixed game is merely a way of saying that you're not responsible for the consequences of your actions.
 
How about the notion that the only way to have a socialist economy is to destroy a capitalist economy??

How about this notion? Since we know the economy is a fixed game, rigged to funnel money to a few, why do you only blame the losers?

Calling it a fixed game is merely a way of saying that you're not responsible for the consequences of your actions.

Don't make assumptions about me personally, I am doing OK, but the country is full of people who did nothing wrong and still failed, people who lost because they had a higher standard of living than people in China or India or whatever shithole swallowed our manufacturing/tech base. Decisions were made long ago that we would be a service based economy, there are consequences to having a race to the bottom with people who have no problem exploiting third world labor.
 
So why isn't the economy better? It's because we are still trying to dig out of the last crash that seemed to hurt everyone except the people who caused it, You can't buy low and sell high if things stay relatively stable. For a very few this recession was an incredible windfall, sucked for the rest of us but we do not matter to the likes of Goldman Sachs.

How about the notion that the only way to have a socialist economy is to destroy a capitalist economy??

How about this notion? Since we know the economy is a fixed game, rigged to funnel money to a few, why do you only blame the losers?

Oh, I'll concede that this economy is manipulated, however I'll also say the assholes responsible for this skull-fucked economy are progressives. They're the ones who subscribe to the idea of a planned and dictated economy...

When the fuck will people realize dictated economies NEVER WORK????

I'm a victim of this loony shit to boot - however I know where to point the finger.

Capitalism isn't the problem, the problem is that some assholes are authoritarian, and they believe they can dictate outcomes.
 
It's not his fault that western corporatism/capitalism is fundamentally flawed and doomed to collapse.

That's because progressives have a difficult time with responsibility - meaning you.
Seems even Capitalists have a hard time with responsibility too. If those vaunted Capitalists were as responsible as we all hoped, they certainly wouldn't keep wringing out more profit at the expense of small investors. Those Capitalists wouldn't have had to employ robo-signers pretending to be bank officers just to get more foreclosures out the door. Those responsible Capitalists wouldn't have polluted parts of this planet so they can no longer be occupied or farmed.

Sure there's a lot of blame to go around. But it has to GO AROUND and not just be deposited at the feet of political opponents.

That's not a very responsible way to behave.
 
Blaming "the rich man" is nothing more than a cop-out for the failures of those you democratically elected.

As usual democrats will NEVER admit they made a mistake.

Of course this is why they will vote for Obama AGAIN...

The idiocy on the left is astounding.

If democrats want to jump off a bridge then fine - just don't take me with you.
 
It's not his fault that western corporatism/capitalism is fundamentally flawed and doomed to collapse.

That's because progressives have a difficult time with responsibility - meaning you.
Seems even Capitalists have a hard time with responsibility too. If those vaunted Capitalists were as responsible as we all hoped, they certainly wouldn't keep wringing out more profit at the expense of small investors. Those Capitalists wouldn't have had to employ robo-signers pretending to be bank officers just to get more foreclosures out the door. Those responsible Capitalists wouldn't have polluted parts of this planet so they can no longer be occupied or farmed.

Sure there's a lot of blame to go around. But it has to GO AROUND and not just be deposited at the feet of political opponents.

That's not a very responsible way to behave.

I wouldn't exactly call investing in bonds or buying a car or home on a 30% interest rate "investing."

I want real capitalism - not this dictated bullshit. However people continually elect asshats who support the idea of a planned economy - and planned economies fail.
 
The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.

Capitalism isn't the problem. I will concede that the "rules of our society" are. Because those rules aren't implemented to enhance what capitalism truly is all about. The rules of our society were originally developed to curtail government and enhance the liberties of the individual. We abandoned that out of apparent fear.

There are plenty of territories available to expand, innovate, enhance and compete over. The "exploitation of labor" is nonsense. Almost everyone is looking to enhance their standard of living.

The reason why growth, innovation and the standard is in decline now, is due directly to interventionists within the market. This intervention has revealed itself to be of all the wrong that can happen. State sponsored monopolies, state sponsored central banking, state sponsored liberty erosion.

These things do not make for capitalism. The last crash is still being felt harshly essentially because the money controllers are out of ammo. This decline will continue until we see a mass change in opinion of the system and a "neat" change in format, or another crisis which will effectively end the system and send the country into chaos.
 
Have you ever heard the term "disaster capitalism"? Look it up, it's how modern fortunes are made and it's destroying all faith in the world economy.
 
I've read Naomi Klein's book. She coined that term. Again though, that isn't true capitalism. It's state capitalism and there is a big difference.
 
The fundamental flaw is that in the absence of growth and innovation capitalism is a failure, not exactly something that only occurred after Obama was elected. There are no more new territories to develop, no more new, cheaper labor to exploit, there is not even any growth without periodic crashes. we are bumping up against the limit of what capitalism can do within the rules of our society.

Capitalism isn't the problem. I will concede that the "rules of our society" are. Because those rules aren't implemented to enhance what capitalism truly is all about. The rules of our society were originally developed to curtail government and enhance the liberties of the individual. We abandoned that out of apparent fear.

There are plenty of territories available to expand, innovate, enhance and compete over. The "exploitation of labor" is nonsense. Almost everyone is looking to enhance their standard of living.

The reason why growth, innovation and the standard is in decline now, is due directly to interventionists within the market. This intervention has revealed itself to be of all the wrong that can happen. State sponsored monopolies, state sponsored central banking, state sponsored liberty erosion.

These things do not make for capitalism. The last crash is still being felt harshly essentially because the money controllers are out of ammo. This decline will continue until we see a mass change in opinion of the system and a "neat" change in format, or another crisis which will effectively end the system and send the country into chaos.

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Great post, however, we must also be ever mindful of our Public Education system. Our children are not being encouraged to be independent thinkers capable of great innovation, they are taught to test, graduate high school, go on to college and get their first job making 6 figures.
 

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