kyzr
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1. I just showed you above that ISIS took over large swaths of Syria & Iraq. Syria is a failed state. Finders keepers regarding the oil fields.
2. Khrushchev officially gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954, doesn't NATO have a thing for protecting boundaries?
3. Syrian territory? Crimea was Ukrainian territory, so what?
4. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia
WTF "Geo-political and economic policy agenda" are you talking about? The Anglo-American forces killed ISIS, duh.
1. ISIS is a creation of Turkey and the CIA. It is a failed state b/c NATO CAUSED it to fail. This is immoral and evil.
2. Crimea wasn't Khruschev's to give away in the first place. Khrushchev was born on 15 April 1894,[2] in Kalinovka,[3] a village in what is now Russia's Kursk Oblast, near the present Ukrainian border. First? He was practically born there. Second, he was drunk and did it, not by GIVING it to Russia, but by UNITING RUSSIA AND UKRAINE.
3. Fine. Give me a link that PROVE the Kurds are going to use it. Kurds don't know shit about oil, and have no ability to extract, sell, or ship oil. GTFO of here with that shit.
Trump said himself, we're going in for the oil.
4. I suppose you thought that whole Benghazi thing was based on a video too, eh? If not, then you don't have a clue what is going on. I can't have a discussion with you. You believe in too much bullshit.
The Red Line and the Rat Line
29 Aug 2016
Seymour M. Hersh
Exposé: Obama, Erdoğan and the Syrian Rebels
The Red Line and the Rat Line
Quick responses:
1. Destroying ISIS is a good thing, not a bad thing. If you support ISIS, you're a bad guy.
2. Khrushchev was a Ukrainian, and he was the boss in the USSR, he gave Crimea to Ukraine, it was theirs, just ask them.
3. Trump is protecting the oil fields for the Kurds. They need the revenue, and if the US leaves the Russians and Syrians, or ISIS, will take the oil fields back. I think its a gift to the Kurds since the Turks moved them away from their Turkish border to create a buffer zone.
U.S. Plan to Guard Syrian Oil Fields Sows Confusion
Trump Is 'Fixated' On Syria's Oil Fields. Here's What's Going On With Them
4. Here is my response that you dodged with a link to an article about the sarin gas being used in Syria and how that stopped Obama's redline. Read the last line again and answer it if you can support your assertion
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia
WTF "Geo-political and economic policy agenda" are you talking about? The Anglo-American forces killed ISIS, duh
I’ll let your 1 and 2 go.
3. The areas where you said Trump protecting the oil field for the Kurds was already protected to begin with. He just re positioned US troops because he was bombarded by his own GOPs.
3.1. Turks removed the Kurds occupied territory to create buffer zone. Why should a Turkey create a buffer zone outside his country? Why not inside Turkey just like everyone else in this world? At the same time time Turks taking over some oilfields from the Kurds.
3.2. Trump abandoned a very close ally the Kurds that helped eliminate the ISIS territories in Syria. Giving the territories to Putin, Assad and for the Iran.
3.3. At the same time Trump created a massive family displacements. A refugees and human crisis. Some of them will end up here. Why in the world you will claimed that is a gift for the Kurds?
3.4. Obama’s red line? How many of Trump threats and bluff did he made?
Trump made us unreliable ally and a weakling pussy.
3. The areas where you said Trump protecting the oil field for the Kurds was already protected to begin with. He just re positioned US troops because he was bombarded by his own GOPs. When Turkey invaded they said get out of the way or get hurt. So the US wisely pulled back out of their "buffer zone". Turkey was in no mood, and the 300 or so US "advisors" had no armor, staying in harms way as "collateral damage" made no sense. Trump was right to re-position US troops and add armor.
3.1. Turks removed the Kurds occupied territory to create buffer zone. Why should a Turkey create a buffer zone outside his country? Why not inside Turkey just like everyone else in this world? At the same time time Turks taking over some oilfields from the Kurds. Who was going to stop Turkey?
I'm not finding where Turks took oil fields from Kurds, only where the US is protecting oil fields for the Kurds: U.S. Plan to Guard Syrian Oil Fields Sows Confusion
3.2. Trump abandoned a very close ally the Kurds that helped eliminate the ISIS territories in Syria. Giving the territories to Putin, Assad and for the Iran.
Trump did not abandon the Kurds, we now have armor there that no one will mess with protecting the oil fields that will financially support the Kurds.
3.3. At the same time Trump created massive family displacements. A refugees and human crisis. Some of them will end up here. Why in the world you will claim that is a gift for the Kurds?
The Kurds were cleared from the "buffer zone" there are a lot of Kurdish enclaves in the "non-border" region to move to. Its not a "crisis". The Kurds are being supported by the US via threat of "crippling" sanctions on Turkey.
There was nothing fast or loose about US support for the Kurds
Opinion | What Trump Actually Gets Right About Syria
3.4. Obama’s red line? How many of Trump threats and bluffs did he make?
Obama allowed the use of chemical weapons on civilians, Trump doesn't bluff, he stopped Assad by use of force, and even killed Russian mercs in the process. Trump wins that comparison with Obama. Its even more glaring when you look at ISIS' growth under Obama, and ISIS' destruction under Trump.
Trump made us unreliable ally and a weakling pussy.
US defence chief: We're not abandoning the Kurds in Syria
"But as Trump defends his decision to withdraw troops, saying he campaigned on a promise of getting the US out of "stupid endless wars" in the Middle East, some experts, albeit in the minority, have backed his new approach.
Following the criticism, Trump promised to "obliterate" the Turkish economy if Ankara did anything he considered "off limits". That threat was repeated by US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who said the US would "shut down the Turkish economy" if Ankara went too far. Mnuchin said Trump had authorized the drafting of "very significant" sanctions that the US could use "if we need to".
So Trump didn't waste any US lives in a stupid game of chicken with Turkey's invasion, and he made a "red line" of protection for the Kurds, a win-win.
Totally BULLSHIT. Trump did not abandon the Kurds? Where do you get your opinions from Putin?
3. Trump abandoned the Kurds a very big territories for Putin, Assad and Iran. Assad even thank Trump. Trump was heavily criticized by his own party as very stupid. Even soldiers at serving in Syria.
DOD said so: US defence chief: We're not abandoning the Kurds in Syria
Why should US get out of the way for the Turkey? US forces are doing very well untouchables inside the Kurds territories at number of less than 100. They are heavily armed. Did you even watch the military convoy abandoning the area?
Less than 100 unarmed US spotters standing in the way of Turkey's invasion is moronic. Trump was right to keep US lives safe.
Turkey took over oilfield from the Kurds. Did you even look at the maps and where the Kurds territories are located? Those are inside Syrian territories not Turkey with oil fields that some are not even explored.
Please provide a link with maps proving your point
The areas where you think Trump is protecting the Kurds oil field is a small area compared to what they left behind. With 160,000 Kurds being displaced it’s okay they can just moved in to that area? I mean how can you even make such stupid nonsense?
Stupid nonsense is staying there in Syria. Trump will pull US troops out very soon. You can bitch then.
ISIS. It’s Obama’s coalitions forces that eliminates ISIS in Syria with the help of the Kurds causing over 11,000 casualties. Not Trump. Trump took credits at the end.
That is just plain stupid. Obama let ISIS expand as shown in map below. Here is proof you are wrong:
Maximum extent of ISIL's territorial control in Syria and Iraq in late 2015.
ISIL territorial claims - Wikipedia
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia
"In July 2017, the group lost control of its largest city, Mosul, to the Iraqi army, followed by the loss of its de facto political capital of Raqqa to the Syrian Democratic Forces. Following these major defeats, ISIL continued to lose territory to the various states and other military forces allied against it, until it controlled no meaningful territory by November 2017. US military officials and simultaneous military analyses reported in December 2017 that the group retained a mere 2 percent of the territory they had previously held. On 10 December 2017, Iraq's Prime Minister, Haider al-Abadi, said that Iraqi forces had driven the last remnants of the Islamic State from the country, three years after the militant group captured about a third of Iraq's territory. By 23 March 2019, ISIL lost one of their last significant territories in the Middle East in the Deir ez-Zor campaign, surrendering their "tent city" and pockets in Al-Baghuz Fawqani to the Syrian Democratic Forces at the end of the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani."
Trump defend his promised to withdraw troops from endless war? Well Dude did he? He sent more troops to ME. Where did you get such nonsense?
There is a big difference between troops in combat and troops in rear areas. Trump will pull US troops out of "endless war zones" and put them in rear areas in ready reserve.
Obama allowed use of chemical weapons against civilians? You do know that you are LYING big time. Obama never used or allowed use of chemicals weapon. It was Putin who made the arrangement to remove all chemicals from Assad to diffuse a war.
That's another stupid lie.
Inside the most embarrassing foreign policy failure of Obama's presidency — the Syrian 'red line'
How Obama’s "red line" fiasco led to Trump bombing Syria
Russian mercenaries was killed by accident fighting ISIS denied their existence by Putin. Not because of your Trump BS.
Read the truth:
The true story of the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria
Trump foreign and domestic policies are nothing but GARBAGE.
Big statement with no proof. Please provide links proving your point. Here is a link to Trump's "promises kept" which is why he will be re-elected.
Promises Kept | President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments
There’s NO crisis. Even Endrogan is threatening to release refugees to Europe. How can you be so ignorant?
There is no American crisis. Europe can get involved or deal with the consequences.
Displaced by war, Kurdish families stuck at Syria-Iraq border point
They are among at least 160,000 Syrian Kurds that the United Nations says fled their homes following the start of a Turkish assault on northeastern Syria. His hometown of Ras al-Ain was one of the targets hit in Turkish air strikes.
The Kurds have a lot of enclaves all over the place. Stop whining about the area at the border with Turkey.
Totally BULLSHIT. Trump did not abandon the Kurds? Where do you get your opinions from Putin?
3. Trump abandoned the Kurds a very big territories for Putin, Assad and Iran. Assad even thank Trump. Trump was heavily criticized by his own party as very stupid. Even soldiers at serving in Syria.
DOD said so: US defence chief: We're not abandoning the Kurds in Syria
Why should US get out of the way for the Turkey? US forces are doing very well untouchables inside the Kurds territories at number of less than 100. They are heavily armed. Did you even watch the military convoy abandoning the area?
Less than 100 unarmed US spotters standing in the way of Turkey's invasion is moronic. Trump was right to keep US lives safe.
Turkey took over oilfield from the Kurds. Did you even look at the maps and where the Kurds territories are located? Those are inside Syrian territories not Turkey with oil fields that some are not even explored.
Please provide a link with maps proving your point
The areas where you think Trump is protecting the Kurds oil field is a small area compared to what they left behind. With 160,000 Kurds being displaced it’s okay they can just moved in to that area? I mean how can you even make such stupid nonsense?
Stupid nonsense is staying there in Syria. Trump will pull US troops out very soon. You can bitch then.
ISIS. It’s Obama’s coalitions forces that eliminates ISIS in Syria with the help of the Kurds causing over 11,000 casualties. Not Trump. Trump took credits at the end.
That is just plain stupid. Obama let ISIS expand as shown in map below. Here is proof you are wrong:
Maximum extent of ISIL's territorial control in Syria and Iraq in late 2015.
ISIL territorial claims - Wikipedia
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia
"In July 2017, the group lost control of its largest city, Mosul, to the Iraqi army, followed by the loss of its de facto political capital of Raqqa to the Syrian Democratic Forces. Following these major defeats, ISIL continued to lose territory to the various states and other military forces allied against it, until it controlled no meaningful territory by November 2017. US military officials and simultaneous military analyses reported in December 2017 that the group retained a mere 2 percent of the territory they had previously held. On 10 December 2017, Iraq's Prime Minister, Haider al-Abadi, said that Iraqi forces had driven the last remnants of the Islamic State from the country, three years after the militant group captured about a third of Iraq's territory. By 23 March 2019, ISIL lost one of their last significant territories in the Middle East in the Deir ez-Zor campaign, surrendering their "tent city" and pockets in Al-Baghuz Fawqani to the Syrian Democratic Forces at the end of the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani."
Trump defend his promised to withdraw troops from endless war? Well Dude did he? He sent more troops to ME. Where did you get such nonsense?
There is a big difference between troops in combat and troops in rear areas. Trump will pull US troops out of "endless war zones" and put them in rear areas in ready reserve.
Obama allowed use of chemical weapons against civilians? You do know that you are LYING big time. Obama never used or allowed use of chemicals weapon. It was Putin who made the arrangement to remove all chemicals from Assad to diffuse a war.
That's another stupid lie.
Inside the most embarrassing foreign policy failure of Obama's presidency — the Syrian 'red line'
How Obama’s "red line" fiasco led to Trump bombing Syria
Russian mercenaries was killed by accident fighting ISIS denied their existence by Putin. Not because of your Trump BS.
Read the truth:
The true story of the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria
Trump foreign and domestic policies are nothing but GARBAGE.
Big statement with no proof. Please provide links proving your point. Here is a link to Trump's "promises kept" which is why he will be re-elected.
Promises Kept | President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments
There’s NO crisis. Even Endrogan is threatening to release refugees to Europe. How can you be so ignorant?
There is no American crisis. Europe can get involved or deal with the consequences.
Displaced by war, Kurdish families stuck at Syria-Iraq border point
They are among at least 160,000 Syrian Kurds that the United Nations says fled their homes following the start of a Turkish assault on northeastern Syria. His hometown of Ras al-Ain was one of the targets hit in Turkish air strikes.
The Kurds have a lot of enclaves all over the place. Stop whining about the area at the border with Turkey.