Stalin's Successful Strategy

[PoliticalChic]

PC suggest reading Chesly Manly. That suggest she has some knowledge of Manly. If so, she should know about his leaking "Rainbow Five". Rainbow Five was the contingency war plans for fighting Germany produced by the Army and Navy. The planners estimated a need for a 10 million man military and specificly a 5 million man expeditionary force for Europe. This is what made the recruitment of Stalin and the Soviets so impairative. FDR and the US military knew before the war began that the coming war with Germany would cost millions upon unthinkable millions of American casaulties. Supporting the Soviets was the only hope and alternative to the nightmare of sacrificing unknown millions of American's in a European war against Germany. Loosing the war would mean an eventual invasion of America.

"Supporting the Soviets was the only hope and alternative to the nightmare of sacrificing unknown millions of American's in a European war against Germany."

This is known as 'begging the question.'


Not only is the above a guess on your part, and a self-serving one at that, but experts at the time informed Roosevelt that it was not the case.


So.....if support and alliance with genocidal maniacs was not a necessity.....

....how to explain Franklin Roosevelt's obsession with the communist regime?



Try to answer that direct query.

Well goodness, there were experts that offered the opinion to FDR that the US ARMY and the US Navy were wrong about their evaluation and analysis about what it would take and cost to conduct a war with Germany. That proves your case that FDR was a pinko commie traitor for sure.

As it is evident that you are nonplussed, let me answer it for you.


Once one dispenses with the myth that Hitler could not have been defeated without the United States providing the homicidal tyrant, Stalin, with goods , including non-military supplies:
a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.....

....and overlooking Stalin's occupation of our government....

...then one is left with the disturbing possibilities that you are afraid to confront.




Those questions include, but are not restricted to the following....

1. Was Roosevelt mentally unstable, and unable to objectively view the world scene?

2. Since he knew of Stalin's genocides, was Roosevelt a man without a moral compass?

3. Did he agree with Stalin that wholesale slaughter was a justifiable method of governing.

Perhaps he lived by the motto 'Exitus acta probat.'

4. Was he just plain stupid?

5. Did he have so little respect for the kind of nation that our Founders set up that he was willing to toss it aside and form an amalgam with the bloody history of the Bolsheviks?

6. Did he desire ceding half of Europe to Stalin, who, he knew, would treat those people with the comfort of the gulag?




I eagerly await any other explanation for Roosevelt's actions vis-a-vis the world's most vicious mass murderer.

 

[Camp]

Exitus acta probat is the answer, but it does not mean he lived by the motto, only that in this situation he saw no other choice.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Exitus acta probat is the answer, but it does not mean he lived by the motto, only that in this situation he saw no other choice.

"he saw" is absurd....unless you are claiming that he was an imbecile.

No....he didn't care.

 

[Moonglow]

One reason?

How about this: Hitler declared war on the US. Stalin never did.

You dunce....not only did Stalin declare war on our democracy......but he won!
And the proof is that you don't even realize it.


1. The Communists and their Marxist cousins, the Socialists,
have worked for revolution since the advent of the New Deal
twenty-one years ago by infiltrating government offices, , labor
unions, schools and colleges, churches, radio and television,
the movies, the publishing business.


2. American Communists, working under the direct supervision of the Kremlin's controllers, sat in the very pinnacles of power of the United States government, able to subvert both domestic and foreign policies. They could be found at Treasury, State Department, War Department, the Office of Strategic Services, the War Production Board, the Board of Economic Warfare, the Office of War Information, the Office of Price Administration, and, without doubt, the White House itself.


3. Certainly they had access to almost every secret held by the United States government, but it a mistake to believe that espionage was the main objective. No, it was a secondary consideration: the primary objective was to influence American policy toward the creation of a Soviet America, and a Soviet world.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 94.




When you learn to read, begin with Chesly Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution"

The entire book is on line:
http://library.mises.org/books/Ches...r Revolution from Roosevelt to Eisenhower.pdf

Earth to Eva Braun...

The Cold War is over, we won

Shhh, I like to see the drool and nappy hair.

 

[rightwinger]

"Supporting the Soviets was the only hope and alternative to the nightmare of sacrificing unknown millions of American's in a European war against Germany."

This is known as 'begging the question.'


Not only is the above a guess on your part, and a self-serving one at that, but experts at the time informed Roosevelt that it was not the case.


So.....if support and alliance with genocidal maniacs was not a necessity.....

....how to explain Franklin Roosevelt's obsession with the communist regime?



Try to answer that direct query.

Well goodness, there were experts that offered the opinion to FDR that the US ARMY and the US Navy were wrong about their evaluation and analysis about what it would take and cost to conduct a war with Germany. That proves your case that FDR was a pinko commie traitor for sure.

As it is evident that you are nonplussed, let me answer it for you.


Once one dispenses with the myth that Hitler could not have been defeated without the United States providing the homicidal tyrant, Stalin, with goods , including non-military supplies:
a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.....

....and overlooking Stalin's occupation of our government....

...then one is left with the disturbing possibilities that you are afraid to confront.




Those questions include, but are not restricted to the following....

1. Was Roosevelt mentally unstable, and unable to objectively view the world scene?

2. Since he knew of Stalin's genocides, was Roosevelt a man without a moral compass?

3. Did he agree with Stalin that wholesale slaughter was a justifiable method of governing.

Perhaps he lived by the motto 'Exitus acta probat.'

4. Was he just plain stupid?

5. Did he have so little respect for the kind of nation that our Founders set up that he was willing to toss it aside and form an amalgam with the bloody history of the Bolsheviks?

6. Did he desire ceding half of Europe to Stalin, who, he knew, would treat those people with the comfort of the gulag?




I eagerly await any other explanation for Roosevelt's actions vis-a-vis the world's most vicious mass murderer.

Frau Braun

Your assumptions are quite numerous and quite unfounded. Your assumption that the Soviets defeating your dear Nazis was preordained and the need for allied support is a "myth" shows you as little more than a patsy.
The initial Nazi invasion was tremendously successful and they came within a hair of winning Moscow and Stalingrad. Quite risky on your part to advise FDR to lay back and assume an eventual Soviet victory
Your Nazi sympathies are quite obvious ....you are fooling no one

 

[regent]

"Supporting the Soviets was the only hope and alternative to the nightmare of sacrificing unknown millions of American's in a European war against Germany."

This is known as 'begging the question.'


Not only is the above a guess on your part, and a self-serving one at that, but experts at the time informed Roosevelt that it was not the case.


So.....if support and alliance with genocidal maniacs was not a necessity.....

....how to explain Franklin Roosevelt's obsession with the communist regime?



Try to answer that direct query.

Well goodness, there were experts that offered the opinion to FDR that the US ARMY and the US Navy were wrong about their evaluation and analysis about what it would take and cost to conduct a war with Germany. That proves your case that FDR was a pinko commie traitor for sure.

As it is evident that you are nonplussed, let me answer it for you.


Once one dispenses with the myth that Hitler could not have been defeated without the United States providing the homicidal tyrant, Stalin, with goods , including non-military supplies:
a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.....

....and overlooking Stalin's occupation of our government....

...then one is left with the disturbing possibilities that you are afraid to confront.




Those questions include, but are not restricted to the following....

1. Was Roosevelt mentally unstable, and unable to objectively view the world scene?

2. Since he knew of Stalin's genocides, was Roosevelt a man without a moral compass?

3. Did he agree with Stalin that wholesale slaughter was a justifiable method of governing.

Perhaps he lived by the motto 'Exitus acta probat.'

4. Was he just plain stupid?

5. Did he have so little respect for the kind of nation that our Founders set up that he was willing to toss it aside and form an amalgam with the bloody history of the Bolsheviks?

6. Did he desire ceding half of Europe to Stalin, who, he knew, would treat those people with the comfort of the gulag?




I eagerly await any other explanation for Roosevelt's actions vis-a-vis the world's most vicious mass murderer.

OK, I'm beginning to understand.

US lost WWII because we were allied with the USSR, and the USSR was evil.
FDR was basically a commie and in effect turned America over to Stalin, including the pianos.
The generation that was called the Greatest Generation were really ruled by communists.
And here I have a question: was that greatest generation commies or just pretended to be commies? Did they know they were commies? In fact, did the American people of that time even know the US was ruled by Stalin?
Truman sent troops to Korea to make it look like the US was against Stalin.
The Cold War was all a fake because FDR had sold out America and Stalin played the Cold War game too.
All those historians that have rated FDR as America's greatest president are all commies or commie dupes. Is being a dupe better?
America has only one real non-commie and that's political chick.
Reagan was America's best president because he made a deal with the Soviets. That part is hard to understand but I won't question it.
Thank God I see the light now. Thank you political chick.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well goodness, there were experts that offered the opinion to FDR that the US ARMY and the US Navy were wrong about their evaluation and analysis about what it would take and cost to conduct a war with Germany. That proves your case that FDR was a pinko commie traitor for sure.

As it is evident that you are nonplussed, let me answer it for you.


Once one dispenses with the myth that Hitler could not have been defeated without the United States providing the homicidal tyrant, Stalin, with goods , including non-military supplies:
a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.....

....and overlooking Stalin's occupation of our government....

...then one is left with the disturbing possibilities that you are afraid to confront.




Those questions include, but are not restricted to the following....

1. Was Roosevelt mentally unstable, and unable to objectively view the world scene?

2. Since he knew of Stalin's genocides, was Roosevelt a man without a moral compass?

3. Did he agree with Stalin that wholesale slaughter was a justifiable method of governing.

Perhaps he lived by the motto 'Exitus acta probat.'

4. Was he just plain stupid?

5. Did he have so little respect for the kind of nation that our Founders set up that he was willing to toss it aside and form an amalgam with the bloody history of the Bolsheviks?

6. Did he desire ceding half of Europe to Stalin, who, he knew, would treat those people with the comfort of the gulag?




I eagerly await any other explanation for Roosevelt's actions vis-a-vis the world's most vicious mass murderer.

OK, I'm beginning to understand.

US lost WWII because we were allied with the USSR, and the USSR was evil.
FDR was basically a commie and in effect turned America over to Stalin, including the pianos.
The generation that was called the Greatest Generation were really ruled by communists.
And here I have a question: was that greatest generation commies or just pretended to be commies? Did they know they were commies? In fact, did the American people of that time even know the US was ruled by Stalin?
Truman sent troops to Korea to make it look like the US was against Stalin.
The Cold War was all a fake because FDR had sold out America and Stalin played the Cold War game too.
All those historians that have rated FDR as America's greatest president are all commies or commie dupes. Is being a dupe better?
America has only one real non-commie and that's political chick.
Reagan was America's best president because he made a deal with the Soviets. That part is hard to understand but I won't question it.
Thank God I see the light now. Thank you political chick.

Great, reggie!
Take that routine to open-mic night at the Ice House! You'd kill!



Now then, if you don't think the Soviets won, how do you explain these goals of modern Liberals?




1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."




10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce

Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?




Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

 

[rightwinger]

As it is evident that you are nonplussed, let me answer it for you.


Once one dispenses with the myth that Hitler could not have been defeated without the United States providing the homicidal tyrant, Stalin, with goods , including non-military supplies:
a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.....

....and overlooking Stalin's occupation of our government....

...then one is left with the disturbing possibilities that you are afraid to confront.




Those questions include, but are not restricted to the following....

1. Was Roosevelt mentally unstable, and unable to objectively view the world scene?

2. Since he knew of Stalin's genocides, was Roosevelt a man without a moral compass?

3. Did he agree with Stalin that wholesale slaughter was a justifiable method of governing.

Perhaps he lived by the motto 'Exitus acta probat.'

4. Was he just plain stupid?

5. Did he have so little respect for the kind of nation that our Founders set up that he was willing to toss it aside and form an amalgam with the bloody history of the Bolsheviks?

6. Did he desire ceding half of Europe to Stalin, who, he knew, would treat those people with the comfort of the gulag?




I eagerly await any other explanation for Roosevelt's actions vis-a-vis the world's most vicious mass murderer.

OK, I'm beginning to understand.

US lost WWII because we were allied with the USSR, and the USSR was evil.
FDR was basically a commie and in effect turned America over to Stalin, including the pianos.
The generation that was called the Greatest Generation were really ruled by communists.
And here I have a question: was that greatest generation commies or just pretended to be commies? Did they know they were commies? In fact, did the American people of that time even know the US was ruled by Stalin?
Truman sent troops to Korea to make it look like the US was against Stalin.
The Cold War was all a fake because FDR had sold out America and Stalin played the Cold War game too.
All those historians that have rated FDR as America's greatest president are all commies or commie dupes. Is being a dupe better?
America has only one real non-commie and that's political chick.
Reagan was America's best president because he made a deal with the Soviets. That part is hard to understand but I won't question it.
Thank God I see the light now. Thank you political chick.

Great, reggie!
Take that routine to open-mic night at the Ice House! You'd kill!



Now then, if you don't think the Soviets won, how do you explain these goals of modern Liberals?




1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."




10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce

Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?




Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

Frau Braun

You are grasping at straws. Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda.
You have yet to explain your unrestrained support of the Nazis

 

[Camp]

The amaturish propagandist is being exposed. It's all about demonizing liberals.

 

[rightwinger]

The amaturish propagandist is being exposed. It's all about demonizing liberals.

I know.....coming from a Nazi lover

 

[Bleipriester]

Stalin was the primary booster of invasion by way of northern France.

Stalin was afraid of his army running out of supplies, so he urgently needed another frontier in order to weaken the German armies in the east.

Even with another frontier (Italy doesn´t count, it would have been Africa, if not Italy) the red armie´s casualties were incidibly high.
Taken from the the war diary of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (the Ministry of Defense back then):

03.07.1945:
About the Russian tank production and reserve:
The tank production have been increased to about 2.300 tanks monthly, therefrom 1.300 T 34/85, 250 heavy tanks, 200 medium tanks and 550 light assault guns. To that are coming to Russia monthly 175 to 200 American tanks, mostly Shermans.
The casualties in 1945 were valved at 8.500, thereof 4.600 in February. Before the offensive the stock of tanks was valved at 11.000, at the 02.28.1945 at 8.500. For compensation, 7.300 tanks were available apparently (Production and influx from 1 ½ months and a store of 3.500). The store was not expendet evidently, rather to imbibe at 1.200 (8.500 less 7.300). According to that the stock of tanks of the tank forces is sagged by ¾ , the stock of the reserve to 1/3. If the Russian casualties do not sag, the reserve of production and influx would have to be spent at the end of march. The number of available Russian tanks will plummet then.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/295480-german-wwii-war-diary.html

The Italian campaign did have military value. It knocked Italy out of the war and it tied down more than 20 German divisions"

Certainly it wasn´t a mistake, but it was also clear, that this frontier was insufficient in order to beat Germany as the Alps are a natural "Südwall", almost invincible.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK, I'm beginning to understand.

US lost WWII because we were allied with the USSR, and the USSR was evil.
FDR was basically a commie and in effect turned America over to Stalin, including the pianos.
The generation that was called the Greatest Generation were really ruled by communists.
And here I have a question: was that greatest generation commies or just pretended to be commies? Did they know they were commies? In fact, did the American people of that time even know the US was ruled by Stalin?
Truman sent troops to Korea to make it look like the US was against Stalin.
The Cold War was all a fake because FDR had sold out America and Stalin played the Cold War game too.
All those historians that have rated FDR as America's greatest president are all commies or commie dupes. Is being a dupe better?
America has only one real non-commie and that's political chick.
Reagan was America's best president because he made a deal with the Soviets. That part is hard to understand but I won't question it.
Thank God I see the light now. Thank you political chick.

Great, reggie!
Take that routine to open-mic night at the Ice House! You'd kill!



Now then, if you don't think the Soviets won, how do you explain these goals of modern Liberals?




1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."




10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce

Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?




Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

Frau Braun

You are grasping at straws. Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda.
You have yet to explain your unrestrained support of the Nazis

1. As your avi title is well-known to be a lie, why would any expect any but more lies from you?
That was rhetorical....don't bother to answer.

2. "Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda."
But the thread was about communists....how is including Liberals in the mix not consistent?

(Thanks for walking right into that one.)

a. For perspective:

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book "WITNESS" that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs.
In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.


QED

 

[regent]

Stalin was the primary booster of invasion by way of northern France.

Stalin was afraid of his army running out of supplies, so he urgently needed another frontier in order to weaken the German armies in the east.

Even with another frontier (Italy doesn´t count, it would have been Africa, if not Italy) the red armie´s casualties were incidibly high.
Taken from the the war diary of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (the Ministry of Defense back then):

03.07.1945:
About the Russian tank production and reserve:
The tank production have been increased to about 2.300 tanks monthly, therefrom 1.300 T 34/85, 250 heavy tanks, 200 medium tanks and 550 light assault guns. To that are coming to Russia monthly 175 to 200 American tanks, mostly Shermans.
The casualties in 1945 were valved at 8.500, thereof 4.600 in February. Before the offensive the stock of tanks was valved at 11.000, at the 02.28.1945 at 8.500. For compensation, 7.300 tanks were available apparently (Production and influx from 1 ½ months and a store of 3.500). The store was not expendet evidently, rather to imbibe at 1.200 (8.500 less 7.300). According to that the stock of tanks of the tank forces is sagged by ¾ , the stock of the reserve to 1/3. If the Russian casualties do not sag, the reserve of production and influx would have to be spent at the end of march. The number of available Russian tanks will plummet then.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/295480-german-wwii-war-diary.html

The Italian campaign did have military value. It knocked Italy out of the war and it tied down more than 20 German divisions"

Certainly it wasn´t a mistake, but it was also clear, that this frontier was insufficient in order to beat Germany as the Alps are a natural "Südwall", almost invincible.

I wonder if Churchill would have pressed attacking the soft underbelly if he had an inkling of the cost? Churchill's postwar goal was a restoration of the British empire, not gonna happen but he tried. Maybe knocking Italy out of the war was wrong, what threat was Italy? Italy was just another German responsiblity.
I think most military leaders of the time believed the attack on Germany across the channel was the only real route, and in the end, after all the side trips, that was it.
With all those five allied leaders looking at the war from what's best for me FDR had some real diplomatic as well as military problems. Ever wonder why Ike was picked to lead the invasion?

 

[rightwinger]

Great, reggie!
Take that routine to open-mic night at the Ice House! You'd kill!



Now then, if you don't think the Soviets won, how do you explain these goals of modern Liberals?




1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."




10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce

Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?




Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

Frau Braun

You are grasping at straws. Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda.
You have yet to explain your unrestrained support of the Nazis

1. As your avi title is well-known to be a lie, why would any expect any but more lies from you?
That was rhetorical....don't bother to answer.

2. "Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda."
But the thread was about communists....how is including Liberals in the mix not consistent?

(Thanks for walking right into that one.)

a. For perspective:

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book "WITNESS" that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs.
In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.


QED

Frau Braun.......for some reason you have difficulties answering a direct question.

Why do you side with the Nazis in the invasion of Russia?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Frau Braun

You are grasping at straws. Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda.
You have yet to explain your unrestrained support of the Nazis

1. As your avi title is well-known to be a lie, why would any expect any but more lies from you?
That was rhetorical....don't bother to answer.

2. "Diverting your own thread with anti-liberal propaganda."
But the thread was about communists....how is including Liberals in the mix not consistent?

(Thanks for walking right into that one.)

a. For perspective:

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book "WITNESS" that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs.
In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.


QED

Frau Braun.......for some reason you have difficulties answering a direct question.

Why do you side with the Nazis in the invasion of Russia?

Lie-Master, If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.


At your age, shouldn't you consider how awful an example you are to the youngsters on the board?

In the event that you are going to keep lying about moi.....remember my motto:
"Why kill them with kindness when you could use a hammer."


....and bones don't heal well at your age.

 

[Moonglow]

I liked how Stalin got the US to build the atom bomb for them. Wasn't he also responsible for the first nuclear reactor under the University of Chicago also? How about the time travel experiment with navy ships and seamen, ,not to mention I'ma sure he had the aliens crash land in New Mexico just so we could get futuristic technologies from the aliens and pass them on to the USSR.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I liked how Stalin got the US to build the atom bomb for them. Wasn't he also responsible for the first nuclear reactor under the University of Chicago also? How about the time travel experiment with navy ships and seamen, ,not to mention I'ma sure he had the aliens crash land in New Mexico just so we could get futuristic technologies from the aliens and pass them on to the USSR.

Jeeeezzz.....

....are you really this lonely????

 

[Bleipriester]

I wonder if Churchill would have pressed attacking the soft underbelly if he had an inkling of the cost? Churchill's postwar goal was a restoration of the British empire, not gonna happen but he tried.

The Empire was the country that lost the most power in international politics.

Maybe knocking Italy out of the war was wrong, what threat was Italy? Italy was just another German responsiblity.

Italy was a fascist regime before Hitler came into power. In reality, Italy was a military burden since the beginning of the coalition. Mussolini suddenly launched wars in Africa and Greece and did not involved Hitler into these wars. Then he required help from Hitler when his own troops failed. Germany used Greece and Africa only for military reasons because the Brits were powerful in this areas and superior to the Italian troops by far.

I think most military leaders of the time believed the attack on Germany across the channel was the only real route, in the end, after all the side trips, that was it.

Yes. With Hitler as coalition partner, Europe would have taken a completely other direction. With having Hitler defeated, the Westeuropean countries payed the smallest amount of sovereignty.

With all those five allied leaders looking at the war from what's best for me FDR had some real diplomatic as well as military problems. Ever wonder why Ike was picked to lead the invasion?

America wasn´t willing to fight a large scaled war. It wasn´t even prepared for that. America´s economy has been switched into a "total war" mode. Not as much as Germany or Russia but the sudden demand on military equipment and transport ships was very high.