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    things are not looking good for the 'man' born with a silver spoon up his nose.

    the body count coupled with the staggering underestimation of the bill, and do i really need to mention the higest unemployment rate of the century? record deficits, teleprompted 'speeches' and brilliant statements like 'bring 'em on'... lots of foresight and professionalism in that georgie!

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20030924/ts_usatoday/11867744

    but who knows, knowing the slimy capabilities of our current regime, they've got saddam in prison, ready to bust him out right before the elections!

    and get ready to pony up for taxes hikes in january 2005! no matter who is in office.
     
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    Body count - while I do have a friend who has died in Iraq, which really sucks, I have to say that we are still losing fewer people in Iraq than we did in every other conflict the US has fought, with the possible exception of Grenada.
    The highest unemployment rate of the three-year-old century was easily surpassed by some unemployment rates during your boy Bill's administration. And expecting Republicans to raise taxes is pretty ridiculous on your part.

    I'm confident that whichever Democrat wins the sacrificial lamb contest will be soundly defeated by Bush.


     
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    In case you didn't notice, this thread is about Wesley Clark and democratic hopefuls. Please start a new thread if you want to bash the current administration.
     
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    Yes Jeff, he forgot the century is only three years old. As far as taxes go there is an alternative, cut the wasteful spending on many social programs.
     
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    this is rich!

    you say that slick willy had higher unemployment rates, i implore you to prove it.

    i am reffering to the previous century, and you people know it.

    the most common theme about you GOP feel-gooders is that you slam me for the tiniest thing and insist i post sources and then claim to have 'beaten' me, when most of you all sadly miss the obvious. (or you choose to be selectively ignorant, i don't know which is worse)

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0703-03.htm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1530731.stm

    should soundly quell the statement about clinton. (whom you people cannot seem to get over)


    http://www.njfac.org/jobnews.html

    Employment Situation Summary
    Technical information:
    Household data: (202) 691-6378 USDL 03-253
    http://www.bls.gov/cps/

    Establishment data: 691-6555 Transmission of material in this release is
    http://www.bls.gov/ces/ embargoed until 8:30 A.M. (EDT),
    Media contact: 691-5902 Thursday, July 3, 2003.


    THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION: JUNE 2003


    Nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged in June, while the
    unemployment rate rose to 6.4 percent, the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the
    U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Payroll job losses continued in
    manufacturing, but were partly offset by employment increases in other
    industries.

    Unemployment (Household Survey Data)

    The number of unemployed persons increased by 360,000 in June to 9.4 mil-
    lion, and the unemployment rate rose from 6.1 to 6.4 percent. Since March,
    unemployment has increased by 913,000. The rate for adult men edged up for the
    third month in a row; at 6.1 percent, the jobless rate for this group was 0.8
    percentage point higher than in March. The teenage unemployment rate, at 19.3
    percent, has trended up since the beginning of the year. Over the month, the
    unemployment rate for blacks increased to 11.8 percent. Jobless rates for the
    other major worker groups--adult women (5.2 percent), whites (5.5 percent), and
    Hispanics (8.4 percent)--showed little change from May. The unemployment rate
    for Asians was 7.8 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and
    A-3.)

    In June, there were 2.0 million unemployed persons who had been looking for
    work for 27 weeks or longer, an increase of 410,000 over the year. They re-
    presented 21.4 percent of the total unemployed, up from 18.8 percent a year
    earlier. (See table A-9.)

    Total Employment and the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

    The civilian labor force increased by 611,000 over the month to 147.1
    million. The labor force participation rate rose by 0.2 percentage point to
    66.6 percent in June. The rate is up from its recent low of 66.2 percent in
    March. Total employment in June was 137.7 million, and the employment-
    population ratio was unchanged at 62.3 percent. (See table A-1.)

    Persons Not in the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

    In June, 1.5 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force,
    little changed from a year earlier. These individuals wanted and were avail-
    able to work and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They
    were not counted as unemployed, however, because they did not actively search
    for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. There were 478,000 discouraged
    workers in June, up from 342,000 in June 2002. Discouraged workers, a subset
    of the marginally attached, were not currently looking for work specifically
    because they believed no jobs were available for them. (See table A-13.)

    - 2 -

    Table A. Major indicators of labor market activity, seasonally adjusted
    (Numbers in thousands)
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    | Quarterly | |
    | averages | Monthly data |
    |_________________|__________________________| May-
    Category | 2003 | 2003 | June
    |_________________|__________________________| change
    | I | II | Apr. | May | June |
    _________________________|________|________|________|________|________|_______
    |
    HOUSEHOLD DATA | Labor force status
    |____________________________________________________
    Civilian labor force.....| 145,829| 146,685| 146,473| 146,485| 147,096| 611
    Employment.............| 137,430| 137,638| 137,687| 137,487| 137,738| 251
    Unemployment...........| 8,399| 9,047| 8,786| 8,998| 9,358| 360
    Not in labor force.......| 74,280| 74,090| 74,067| 74,283| 73,918| -365
    |________|________|________|________|________|_______
    | Unemployment rates
    |____________________________________________________
    All workers..............| 5.8| 6.2| 6.0| 6.1| 6.4| 0.3
    Adult men..............| 5.4| 5.9| 5.6| 5.9| 6.1| .2
    Adult women............| 4.9| 5.1| 5.1| 5.1| 5.2| .1
    Teenagers..............| 17.2| 18.6| 18.0| 18.5| 19.3| .8
    White..................| 5.1| 5.4| 5.2| 5.4| 5.5| .1
    Black or African | | | | | |
    American.............| 10.3| 11.2| 10.9| 10.8| 11.8| 1.0
    Hispanic or Latino | | | | | |
    ethnicity............| 7.7| 8.0| 7.5| 8.2| 8.4| .2
    |________|________|________|________|________|_______
    ESTABLISHMENT DATA 1/ | Employment
    |____________________________________________________
    Nonfarm employment.......| 130,225|p130,005| 130,062|p129,992|p129,962| p-30
    Goods-producing 2/.....| 22,213| p22,095| 22,119| p22,103| p22,063| p-40
    Construction.........| 6,719| p6,782| 6,760| p6,785| p6,801| p16
    Manufacturing........| 14,926| p14,747| 14,795| p14,751| p14,695| p-56
    Service-providing 2/...| 108,012|p107,910| 107,943|p107,889|p107,899| p10
    Retail trade.........| 14,997| p14,984| 15,000| p14,983| p14,970| p-13
    Professional and | | | | | |
    business services..| 16,013| p15,987| 15,989| p15,987| p15,984| p-3
    Education and health | | | | | |
    services...........| 16,429| p16,509| 16,483| p16,510| p16,533| p23
    Leisure and | | | | | |
    hospitality........| 12,089| p12,039| 12,043| p12,026| p12,048| p22
    Government...........| 21,570| p21,501| 21,526| p21,488| p21,489| p1
    |________|________|________|________|________|_______
    | Hours of work 3/
    |____________________________________________________
    Total private............| 33.8| p33.7| 33.7| p33.7| p33.7| p0.0
    Manufacturing..........| 40.4| p40.2| 40.1| p40.2| p40.2| p.0
    Overtime.............| 4.3| p4.0| 4.0| p4.0| p4.0| p.0
    |________|________|________|________|________|_______
    | Earnings 3/
    |____________________________________________________
    Avg. hourly earnings, | | | | | |
    total private..........| $15.27| p$15.34| $15.30| p$15.35| p$15.38|p$0.03
    Avg. weekly earnings, | | | | | |
    total private..........| 515.50| p517.07| 515.61| p517.30| p518.31| p1.01
    _________________________|________|________|________|________|________|_______

    1 Establishment data reflect the conversion to the 2002 version of the
    North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) as the basis for the as-
    signment and tabulation of economic data by industry, replacing the 1987
    Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) system. Due to differences in NAICS
    and SIC structures, NAICS-based data by industry are not comparable to the
    SIC-based data.
    2 Includes other industries, not shown separately.
    3 Data relate to private production or nonsupervisory workers.
    p=preliminary.

    - 3 -

    Industry Payroll Employment (Establishment Survey Data)

    Total nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged (-30,000) in
    June at 130.0 million. Over the month, job declines continued in manufactur-
    ing, but were partially offset by gains in construction and some service-pro-
    viding industries. (See table B-1.)

    Manufacturing employment decreased by 56,000 in June, in line with the
    average job loss over the prior 12 months. Losses occurred across most of the
    component industries. Since its most recent peak in July 2000, manufacturing
    employment has fallen by more than 2.6 million. In June, primary metals,
    fabricated metal products, machinery, and plastics and rubber products each
    lost about 6,000 jobs. Employment in textile mills and leather products
    manufacturing also declined in June, continuing their long-term downward
    trends.

    Employment in construction edged up in June, the fourth consecutive monthly
    gain. Construction has added 101,000 jobs since February, reflecting strength
    in residential building activity.

    Employment in health care and social assistance rose by 35,000 over the
    month and has increased by 306,000 over the year. In June, ambulatory health
    care services (including offices of physicians, outpatient care centers, and
    home health care services) added 24,000 jobs; hospital employment increased by
    9,000.

    Within professional and business services, employment in the temporary help
    industry rose by 38,000 in June, following a gain of 44,000 in May. This rise
    was partly offset by an employment decline in accounting and bookkeeping ser-
    vices (-24,000). Accounting and bookkeeping experienced a large seasonal
    buildup for the tax season followed by even larger layoffs. After seasonal
    adjustment, employment in this industry is down by 36,000 since last November.

    In the leisure and hospitality industry, employment edged up in June fol-
    lowing 4 months of declines. The over-the-month gain was largely in the food
    services industry.

    Employment in transportation and warehousing was little changed at 4.1 mil-
    lion in June. Within this sector, air transportation employment continued to
    decline. This industry has lost 123,000 jobs since its peak in March 2001.
    Both wholesale and retail trade employment edged lower over the month.

    The information sector showed little job change in June. Employment within
    this industry declined in nearly every month since March 2001, losing a total of
    434,000 jobs. The telecommunications industry, which shed 7,000 jobs in June,
    accounted for nearly half of the losses over that period.

    - 4 -

    Weekly Hours (Establishment Survey Data)

    The average workweek for production or nonsupervisory workers on private
    nonfarm payrolls was 33.7 hours for the third consecutive month. The manu-
    facturing workweek and manufacturing overtime also were unchanged from May,
    at 40.2 hours and 4.0 hours, respectively. (See table B-2.)

    The index of aggregate weekly hours of production or nonsupervisory work-
    ers on private nonfarm payrolls was unchanged in June at 98.7 (2002=100).
    The manufacturing index fell by 0.4 percent over the month to 94.7. (See
    table B-5.)

    Hourly and Weekly Earnings (Establishment Survey Data)

    Average hourly earnings of production or nonsupervisory workers on private
    nonfarm payrolls increased by 3 cents in June to $15.38, seasonally adjusted.
    Average weekly earnings rose by 0.2 percent over the month to $518.31. Over
    the year, average hourly earnings grew by 3.0 percent, and average weekly earn-
    ings increased by 2.1 percent. (See table B-3.)

    ______________________________


    The Employment Situation for July 2003 is scheduled to be released on Friday,
    August 1, at 8:30 A.M. (EDT).


    please try to post any information on any president with a higher unemployment rate under his watch.
     
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    oops misspelled 'referring'. watch now as the vultures attempt to rip me limb from limb, while leaving their grammatically challenged cheerleaders intact.

    and since you guys git in this vein, figured i'd bridge a gap for your bird of feather. why not?

    http://www.eyeontheleft.com

    hahaha! this shit cracks me up.
     
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    Well, here you go... from the same website you just pulled your data from. The current unemployment rate is 6.1%, according to the BLF.gov website.

    Unemployment was >= 6.1% 18 different years since 1948 (as far back as the stats went).

    Here's a list of yearly unemployment rates, with the President(s) during that year.

    Year Ann Avg
    1958 6.8 - Ike
    1961 6.7 - JFK/Ike
    1975 8.5 - Ford
    1976 7.7 - Ford
    1977 7.1 - Carter/Ford
    1978 6.1 - Carter
    1980 7.1 - Carter
    1981 7.6 - Reagan/Carter
    1982 9.7 - Reagan
    1983 9.6 - Reagan
    1984 7.5 - Reagan
    1985 7.2 - Reagan
    1986 7.0 - Reagan
    1987 6.2 - Reagan
    1991 6.8 - Bush
    1992 7.5 - Bush
    1993 6.9 - Clinton/Bush
    1994 6.1 - Clinton

    Will this suffice for proof for you?
     
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    Thread was split into 2 as it is 2 different topics. The "Wesley Clark" thread is still there intact.
     
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    and the current rate (including hidden unemployment)?

    since jim has taken upon himself to change this thread to a bash bush thread, i might as well bash.

    this is only one the reasons bush doesn't stand a snowball's chance in a supernova next year. (unless they caught and held saddam fo 'capture' come elections time)

    how are bush economics working for you?
     
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    I got an extra tax refund this year. Going to get one next year.


    What did you get from Clinton, other than terrorists encouraged to attack the USA?
     

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