Spill, baby spill....42,000 gallons a day

[gslack]

Well someone internal to the Obama administration has convinced them that a company on the verge of bankruptsy when Bush took office is now the last word in the industry. There had better be a fresh look at HB. Oil is drilled all over the planet. We have the best scientific minds and engineers on the planet. Heads have to roll and those that failed need to be hung out to dry and spin in the wind. Maybe even prosecuted criminally to send a message that taking even the slightest risk with the planet will not be tolorated. I know that if this had been done by the Chineezz someone would already have been executed.

THen on the flipside we can say the same thing regarding Bush.. he too mus have had someone mislead him.... Doesn't change anything though it's the CnC's responsibility to know his advisors... So if Bush is guilty so is Obama...I say they are both guilty equally... And party politics is bullshit...

Listen you retard........YOU are screaming at the top of your little lungs that Obama and Bush Jr. share blame equally, yet Huggy just showed you otherwise.

It's readily apparent you don't like Obama, which is why you take the side of Bush Jr.

Face it dude, you're just as partisan and full of party politics bullshit as the next teabagger.

Knew you couldn't refrain from turning back into the little asshole we knew you for.....

He didn't PROVE shit, All he did was mention what he got from the hearings today. And the only screaming going is when you two little homophobes showed up.. now you can kiss my ass and go back to your little man love thread with HUGGY if you don't like it....

Grow up weasel...

 

[ABikerSailor]

Did you watch 60 Minutes last night Goo Boy Slacker?

 

[gslack]

Did you watch 60 Minutes last night Goo Boy Slacker?

No but I bet you did..... Well as soon as you got your lips off huggy's ass anyway...

 

[Intense]

LOS ANGELES – The federal agency responsible for ensuring that the Deepwater Horizon was operating safely before it exploded last month fell well short of its own policy that the rig be inspected at least once per month, an Associated Press investigation shows.

In fact, the agency's inspection frequency on the Deepwater Horizon fell dramatically over the past five years, according to federal Minerals Management Service records. The rig blew up April 20, killing 11 people before sinking and triggering a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Since January 2005, inspectors issued just one minor infraction for the rig. That strong track record led the agency last year to herald the Deepwater Horizon as an industry model for safety.

The inspection gaps are the latest in a series of questions raised about the agency's oversight of the oil drilling industry. Members of Congress and President Barack Obama have criticized what they call the cozy relationship between regulators and oil companies and vowed to reform MMS, which both regulates the industry and collects billions in royalties from it.

Earlier AP investigations have shown that the doomed rig was allowed to operate without safety documentation required by MMS regulations for the exact disaster scenario that occurred; that the cutoff valve which failed has repeatedly broken down at other wells in the years since regulators weakened testing requirements; and that regulation is so lax that some key safety aspects on rigs are decided almost entirely by the companies doing the work.

The AP sought to find out how many times government safety inspectors visited the Deepwater Horizon, and what they found. In response, MMS officials offered a changing series of numbers. The MMS has had long-standing issues with its data management.

At first, officials said 83 inspections had been performed since the rig arrived in the Gulf 104 months ago, in September 2001. While being questioned about the once-per-month claim, the officials subsequently revised the total up to 88 inspections. The number of more recent inspections also changed — from 26 to 48 in the 64 months since January 2005.

No explanation was given for the upward revisions. AP granted the officials anonymity because without that condition, communications staff at the Interior Department, which oversees MMS, would not have let them talk.

Based on the last set of numbers provided, the Deepwater Horizon was inspected 40 times during its first 40 months in the Gulf — in line with agency policy for offshore drilling rigs.

Even using the more favorable numbers for the most recent 64 months, 25 percent of monthly inspections were not performed. The first set of data supplied to AP represented a 59 percent shortfall in the number of inspections.

Interior Department spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff would not comment on the inspection numbers. Instead, she offered a general statement: "We are looking at all the questions that are coming out of the Deepwater Horizon incident."

In response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by AP, the agency has released copies of only three inspection reports — those conducted in January, February and April. According to the documents, inspectors spent two hours or less each time they visited the massive rig. Some information appeared to be "whited out," without explanation.

Since the explosion, the agency has reiterated several times the inspection-once-per-month assertion, which appeared on its website at least as early as 1999.

In an e-mail to AP, an Interior Department official emphasized with italics that the MMS inspects rigs "at least once a month" when drilling is under way. Monthly inspections of offshore drilling rigs are an agency policy, though not required by regulation, said David Dykes, chief of the agency's office of safety management for the Gulf region.

Last week, at a joint Coast Guard-MMS investigatory hearing in Kenner, La., MMS official Jason Mathews asked Michael Saucier, MMS's regional supervisor for field operations in the Gulf, "And how often do we perform drilling inspections in the Gulf of Mexico?"

"We perform them at a minimum once a month, but we can do more if need be," Saucier said.

The job falls to the 55 inspectors in the Gulf who are supposed to visit the 90 drilling rigs once per month and the approximately 3,500 oil production platforms once per year.

The Deepwater Horizon's inspection frequency numbers struck Kenneth Arnold, a veteran offshore drilling consultant and engineer.

"I'd certainly question it," he said. "I'd ask, 'Why aren't you doing it?'"

When the AP did ask, MMS and Interior would not answer directly. Instead providing a set of conditions when a rig would not typically be inspected — including during bad weather, when it is jumping among short-term jobs, when a rig is preparing to drill or is done drilling but hasn't left for another site.

Transocean Ltd., which owned the Deepwater Horizon and leased it to BP PLC, would not provide a detailed accounting of the rig's activity history. According to RigData, a Texas firm that monitors offshore activity in the Gulf, the Deepwater Horizon was working approximately 2,896 days of the 3,131 days since it started its first well — about 93 percent of the time. That number represents the total number of days between when the Deepwater Horizon broke the sea floor during a drilling operation to when it was released to another site.

A summary of the inspection history that the MMS officials provided AP said the Deepwater Horizon received six "incidents of noncompliance" — the agency's term for citations.

The most serious occurred July 16, 2002, when the rig was shut down because required pressure tests had not been conducted on parts of the rig's blowout preventer — the device that was supposed to stop oil from gushing out if drilling operations experienced problems.

That citation was "major," said Arnold, who characterized the overall safety record related by MMS as strong.

A citation on Sept. 19, 2002, also involved the blowout preventer. The inspector issued a warning because "problems or irregularities observed during the testing of BOP system and actions taken to remedy such problems or irregularities are not recorded in the driller's report or referenced documents."

During his Senate testimony last week, Transocean CEO Steven Newman said the blowout preventer was modified in 2005.

According to MMS officials, the four other citations were:

• Two on May 16, 2002, for not conducting well control drills as required and not performing "all operations in a safe and workmanlike manner."

• One on Aug. 6, 2003, for discharging pollutants into the Gulf.

• One on March 20, 2007, which prompted inspectors to shut down some machinery because of improper electrical grounding.

Late last week, several days after providing the detailed accounting, Interior officials told AP that in fact there had been only five citations, that one had been rescinded. The officials said they could not immediately say which of the six had been rescinded.

The agency's problems with providing information extends to the data on display on its website. For example, the accounting of accident and incident reports is incomplete, making it very difficult to perform a thorough data analysis of the agency's performance and preventing a full accurate tracking of safety records of the rigs.

Data problems date back at least a decade. According to John Shultz, who as a graduate student in the late 1990s studied MMS' inspection program in depth for his dissertation, the agency's data infrastructure was severely limited.

"The thing I regret most is that, to my knowledge, MMS has not fixed the data management problem they have," said Shultz, who now works in the Department of Energy's nuclear program. "If you have the data you need, the analysis becomes fairly straightforward. Without the data, you're simply stuck with conjectures."

Whatever the correct citation total — five or six — the Deepwater Horizon's record was exemplary, according to MMS officials, who said the rig was never on inspectors' informal "watch list" for problem rigs. In fact, last year MMS awarded the rig an award for its safety history.

AP IMPACT: Fed'l inspections on rig not as claimed - Yahoo! News

 

[ABikerSailor]

Did you watch 60 Minutes last night Goo Boy Slacker?

No but I bet you did..... Well as soon as you got your lips off huggy's ass anyway...

Too bad. If you did, you would have heard the interview of one of the last riggers off the derrick who told what actually happened.

It was criminal, the slipshod way they went about it, and the BP exec's decision to remove the drilling mud before the test as a way to save time, when it was AGAINST the desires of the people who actually worked there. The drillers knew it was SAFER to test, then remove the mud.

I guess the exec didn't want to wait.

 

[gslack]

Did you watch 60 Minutes last night Goo Boy Slacker?

No but I bet you did..... Well as soon as you got your lips off huggy's ass anyway...

Too bad. If you did, you would have heard the interview of one of the last riggers off the derrick who told what actually happened.

It was criminal, the slipshod way they went about it, and the BP exec's decision to remove the drilling mud before the test as a way to save time, when it was AGAINST the desires of the people who actually worked there. The drillers knew it was SAFER to test, then remove the mud.

I guess the exec didn't want to wait.

Ah yes the same 60 minutes who ran the piece about global warming being a scam? Ah good glad to see they are on this then...

And BP, transocean, and haliburton are all responsible for the bill and will pay for it just like I said before.... Thanks for clarifying that.... THey will pay for it monetarily but don't expect any of them to be up on charges and get prison for it just like I said...

ya know you are so intent on attacking me you forget what points I made or what my argument was...

 

[Intense]

You know Huggy, there's a saying that I learned a long time ago........

Once is happenstance, twice is circumstance and third time is overt enemy action.

Halliburton has fucked up 3 times now. First, with the renovations of Walter Reed that didn't happen.

Second, with fucked up way that they built the barracks in the Green Zone of Iraq. The wiring killed several soldiers because it electrocuted them in the shower.

Those 2 happened while Bush Jr. and Cheney were in office and reflected the incredible amount of incompetence by that company, which was awarded those contracts in a no bid contract.

Now? Seems that they've fucked up yet again with their government connections and shitty work in the Gulf of Mexico.

I wanna see those fuckers hung out to dry.

Well someone internal to the Obama administration has convinced them that a company on the verge of bankruptsy when Bush took office is now the last word in the industry. There had better be a fresh look at HB. Oil is drilled all over the planet. We have the best scientific minds and engineers on the planet. Heads have to roll and those that failed need to be hung out to dry and spin in the wind. Maybe even prosecuted criminally to send a message that taking even the slightest risk with the planet will not be tolorated. I know that if this had been done by the Chineezz someone would already have been executed.

That should include the failed Government regulators as well.

 

[HUGGY]

You know Huggy, there's a saying that I learned a long time ago........

Once is happenstance, twice is circumstance and third time is overt enemy action.

Halliburton has fucked up 3 times now. First, with the renovations of Walter Reed that didn't happen.

Second, with fucked up way that they built the barracks in the Green Zone of Iraq. The wiring killed several soldiers because it electrocuted them in the shower.

Those 2 happened while Bush Jr. and Cheney were in office and reflected the incredible amount of incompetence by that company, which was awarded those contracts in a no bid contract.

Now? Seems that they've fucked up yet again with their government connections and shitty work in the Gulf of Mexico.

I wanna see those fuckers hung out to dry.

Well someone internal to the Obama administration has convinced them that a company on the verge of bankruptsy when Bush took office is now the last word in the industry. There had better be a fresh look at HB. Oil is drilled all over the planet. We have the best scientific minds and engineers on the planet. Heads have to roll and those that failed need to be hung out to dry and spin in the wind. Maybe even prosecuted criminally to send a message that taking even the slightest risk with the planet will not be tolorated. I know that if this had been done by the Chineezz someone would already have been executed.

That should include the failed Government regulators as well.

I have no problem with that.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Definitely the regulators as well.

 

[Old Rocks]

No but I bet you did..... Well as soon as you got your lips off huggy's ass anyway...

Too bad. If you did, you would have heard the interview of one of the last riggers off the derrick who told what actually happened.

It was criminal, the slipshod way they went about it, and the BP exec's decision to remove the drilling mud before the test as a way to save time, when it was AGAINST the desires of the people who actually worked there. The drillers knew it was SAFER to test, then remove the mud.

I guess the exec didn't want to wait.

Ah yes the same 60 minutes who ran the piece about global warming being a scam? Ah good glad to see they are on this then...

And BP, transocean, and haliburton are all responsible for the bill and will pay for it just like I said before.... Thanks for clarifying that.... THey will pay for it monetarily but don't expect any of them to be up on charges and get prison for it just like I said...

ya know you are so intent on attacking me you forget what points I made or what my argument was...

Bullshit. No way will they pay unless forced to. They are already stating that they will pay the "legitimate" amount. Which is $75,000,000.

 

[Old Rocks]

The people at MMS should have been fired a month after President Obama took office. In fact, given their dereliction of duty, they should be criminally prosecuted at present.

We need to get people from NOAA out there measuring the full impact of this disaster. And we need to give BP a time period to completely stop this, or the government takes over the effort.

 

[JimH52]

No but I bet you did..... Well as soon as you got your lips off huggy's ass anyway...

Too bad. If you did, you would have heard the interview of one of the last riggers off the derrick who told what actually happened.

It was criminal, the slipshod way they went about it, and the BP exec's decision to remove the drilling mud before the test as a way to save time, when it was AGAINST the desires of the people who actually worked there. The drillers knew it was SAFER to test, then remove the mud.

I guess the exec didn't want to wait.

Ah yes the same 60 minutes who ran the piece about global warming being a scam? Ah good glad to see they are on this then...

And BP, transocean, and haliburton are all responsible for the bill and will pay for it just like I said before.... Thanks for clarifying that.... THey will pay for it monetarily but don't expect any of them to be up on charges and get prison for it just like I said...

ya know you are so intent on attacking me you forget what points I made or what my argument was...

BP will be in deep, deep trouble if the oil plums hit the Keys and begin making their way up the east coast. They may not have enough money to pay for the environmental and economic damage that would cause.

 

[Old Rocks]

I don't think that BP will have the money to even begin to pay for the damage that this will cause. Just one point. The Gulf is one of the two spawning grounds for the blue fin tuna.

 

[Intense]

The people at MMS should have been fired a month after President Obama took office. In fact, given their dereliction of duty, they should be criminally prosecuted at present.

We need to get people from NOAA out there measuring the full impact of this disaster. And we need to give BP a time period to completely stop this, or the government takes over the effort.

Let's call it Operation "From Out Of The Frying Pan, Into The Fire". The Government Lawyers could send each other memo's and have power point meetings. Hint, we are in unexplored territory here. Where are Dirk Pitt and Admiral Sandecker when you need them? Where is Flipper?

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, that is exactly where we are at. And that was what BP was in when they chose to ignore the equipment failures, and standard procedures that might have prevented this disaster. Point is, BP has an interest in the oil continueing to be available. Our interest is in stopping the flow of oil as quickly as possible, without consideration for it's availability for further exploitation.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but it appears that The White House enaged in a cover-up.

The White House allowed BP to hide its video feed of a gushing oil pipe in the Gulf of Mexico from the public for three weeks, all the while that same video played live in the White House Situation Room, ABC reports.

This startling revelation comes just as Obama prepares to get really angry in public about the spill – just in time to cover up his administration’s collusion with BP to hide the true extent of the massive disaster in the Gulf.

Brian Ross and John Soloman of the Center for Public Integrity discussed ABC’s quest to obtain the video of the oil pipe and revealed that the White House consented to the release of a 30 second clip of the pipe.

"At the end of the day, the White House finally acquiesced to the 30 second piece because they understood the political and media pressure," said CPI’s John Soloman. "Why not sooner? It’s been going on for three weeks. People have seen this internally within government almost every day. Why can’t the American people see it?"...


White House Allowed BP to Keep Video of Gushing Pipe from Public for Three Weeks | The Seminal

I had no idea BP had to ask permission from the White House to release its own video tape.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No, they tried to keep it secret. Obama told them to release it.

 

[gslack]

Too bad. If you did, you would have heard the interview of one of the last riggers off the derrick who told what actually happened.

It was criminal, the slipshod way they went about it, and the BP exec's decision to remove the drilling mud before the test as a way to save time, when it was AGAINST the desires of the people who actually worked there. The drillers knew it was SAFER to test, then remove the mud.

I guess the exec didn't want to wait.

Ah yes the same 60 minutes who ran the piece about global warming being a scam? Ah good glad to see they are on this then...

And BP, transocean, and haliburton are all responsible for the bill and will pay for it just like I said before.... Thanks for clarifying that.... THey will pay for it monetarily but don't expect any of them to be up on charges and get prison for it just like I said...

ya know you are so intent on attacking me you forget what points I made or what my argument was...

Bullshit. No way will they pay unless forced to. They are already stating that they will pay the "legitimate" amount. Which is $75,000,000.

Dude shut-up, seriously last week you and your sock army tried to make the claim they said they wouldn't pay at all.... You are an idiot all you want is to nag about oil.... Grow up tool....

 

[Intense]

We are so early into this, there is plenty of time to get and confirm the real truth behind it all. Right now we need our best experts in the field, be they private or government to solve the problem. Stop urinating on the charcoals, try to get past the finger pointing, have a beer, and make the best out of it.

 

[westwall]

You know Huggy, there's a saying that I learned a long time ago........

Once is happenstance, twice is circumstance and third time is overt enemy action.

Halliburton has fucked up 3 times now. First, with the renovations of Walter Reed that didn't happen.

Second, with fucked up way that they built the barracks in the Green Zone of Iraq. The wiring killed several soldiers because it electrocuted them in the shower.

Those 2 happened while Bush Jr. and Cheney were in office and reflected the incredible amount of incompetence by that company, which was awarded those contracts in a no bid contract.

Now? Seems that they've fucked up yet again with their government connections and shitty work in the Gulf of Mexico.

I wanna see those fuckers hung out to dry.

ABikerSailor,


"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action" was a phrase used by Auric Goldfinger to James Bond in the book Goldfinger by Ian Fleming published in 1959. And that phrase is a modification of "Happenstance, Circumstance or Coincidence?" Which has been around for a VEEERRYY long time.

Cheers