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    how privatized elections aren't a sure sign that we're living in a fascist nation.

    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

    Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S mean anything to y'all?
     
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    We used a touch screen with a paper trail. I'm not overtly concerned.
     
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    Did you check the paper? How many were destroyed in your district?
     
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    Those names mean something to me, but how exactly does that mean the election itself is privatized? The companies don't run the polls, or determine who gets on the ballots. Nor do we have a monopoly on the manufacture, distribution and sale of the machines.

    I'm more concerned about the partisan control of elections than the private manufacture of the machines, myself. Having what amounts to private clubs dictate the terms of publicly held and funded elections bothers me.
     
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    I checked the paper. My town has two congressional districts and a major brouhaha over people in wheelchairs not having access to the polls, enormous lines, etc so I'm pretty sure any destruction of voting rolls would have got some play in the local news and so far, nothing.

    Not that paranoia isn't a survival advantage.
     
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    Three companies, all with close ties to one party, account for 80+% of all the votes.

    Their machines only had 'technical malfunctions' in significant numbers in districts of the other party.

    They set up the machines, collect the votes, count the votes, and declare the winners with no meaningful oversight.

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    Same thing, not that there's really any difference between the two major parties.
     
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    Healthy suspicion is a good thing when it comes to elections, paranoia isn't really reaonable.

    But I'm an election judge, it's my job to help load and test those machines. If they're miscounting, we'll find it. I used to be an inspector, which means I have in my personal possession copies of all the paper trails from every machine in every election in my ward until the required number of years elapses. As long as the poll workers and election commissioners are doing their jobs, it's hard to sneak a bad machine past them.

    "As long as" is the key question, of course. But most of the folks I've worked with take it seriously.
     
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    Security experts proved the machines can be tricked with post-it notes and you can upload a program to rig the election that will delete itself and remain undetectable- without any special tools and without it being apparent the machine has been tampered with.

    Now why do you think politicians in power want to give their preferred companies the contracts for the elections?
     
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    National security experts disagree.

    No, it's not. It's as easy as changing out a memory card or installing another 0808 patch- or simply programming it to cheat in the first place.
     
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