Some Dead...More Equal Than Others

[PoliticalChic]

Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."

You used your "quote" above as part of your proof for your thesis; your premise that Fascism and Communism methodology and ideology were one and the same. I haven't been able to locate a source for that quote to see what is written before the ellipsis, so I'm led to believe you didn't want to disclose that or an exact source you claim to have quoted by Molotov, which is actually a quote of yourself from your #3 in post #27. Quoting yourself in the same post?

In any case...

We all SHOULD know that collectivism was a major goal following the Bolshevik Revolution with the rise of Leninist/Marxist Communism. As initiated by Lenin and followed on by Stalin later on and through WWII, collectivism in its various forms was maintained over the entire period of the Nazi regime from 1933-1945 in the USSR.

Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists and neither agriculture nor private property of Arians were collectivized. Private companies like Krupp, Messerschmitt, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Focke-Wulf, et al, were among the industrial base when the Nazis came to power. None of those businesses were collectivized. Competitors such as Heinkel, Messerschmitt, and Focke-Wulf competed for contracts with the Reich for aircraft design and production. Krupp was the worlds largest arms manufacturer. They made a lots of Marks!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and ideologically the same? The two certainly were not!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and methodologically the same? The two certainly were not!

The main political parallel between the two was both regimes were totalitarian. The Communist collectivists were on far left of the political spectrum, while the Nazi fascists were on the opposite end, the right during that period.

The two ideologies and methodologies were definitely not the same.

Put away your biased Randian colored glasses, Chica.

BTW, you PLAGIARIZED yourself by not attributing the quote I noted at the top to yourself!

How nice of you to drop by and prove that you know less than nothing about the subject.

1. Unlike Litvinov, Molotov was firmly in favor of warm and close relations with the Nazis.

Study Germany Soviet Union relations before 1941 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
so that you don't embarrass yourself further.



2. "Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists....."

Wrong.
(sigh...) If you had only paid more attention in school



"What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existedin name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it wasthe German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."
Mises Daily Mises Institute



3. Now, for general amusement, I invite you to take my little quiz, found in post #8.

 

[I amso IR]

Good Day Political Chic. Give em hell! "They" seem to ignore the "Duck" analogy. Must take it personal. I amso IR.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."

You used your "quote" above as part of your proof for your thesis; your premise that Fascism and Communism methodology and ideology were one and the same. I haven't been able to locate a source for that quote to see what is written before the ellipsis, so I'm led to believe you didn't want to disclose that or an exact source you claim to have quoted by Molotov, which is actually a quote of yourself from your #3 in post #27. Quoting yourself in the same post?

In any case...

We all SHOULD know that collectivism was a major goal following the Bolshevik Revolution with the rise of Leninist/Marxist Communism. As initiated by Lenin and followed on by Stalin later on and through WWII, collectivism in its various forms was maintained over the entire period of the Nazi regime from 1933-1945 in the USSR.

Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists and neither agriculture nor private property of Arians were collectivized. Private companies like Krupp, Messerschmitt, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Focke-Wulf, et al, were among the industrial base when the Nazis came to power. None of those businesses were collectivized. Competitors such as Heinkel, Messerschmitt, and Focke-Wulf competed for contracts with the Reich for aircraft design and production. Krupp was the worlds largest arms manufacturer. They made a lots of Marks!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and ideologically the same? The two certainly were not!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and methodologically the same? The two certainly were not!

The main political parallel between the two was both regimes were totalitarian. The Communist collectivists were on far left of the political spectrum, while the Nazi fascists were on the opposite end, the right during that period.

The two ideologies and methodologies were definitely not the same.

Put away your biased Randian colored glasses, Chica.

BTW, you PLAGIARIZED yourself by not attributing the quote I noted at the top to yourself!

2. "Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists....."

Wrong.
(sigh...) If you had only paid more attention in school



"What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existedin name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it wasthe German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."
Mises Daily Mises Institute

I warned you to take off your Randian colored glasses didn't I? And I wasn't home schooled.

The fact that George Reisman wrote about, not quoted, but wrote about what Mises borrowed from what Ayn Rand postulated [The Ayn Rand Lexicon Objectivism from A to Z Ayn Rand Lexicon] does not change history. What a course to follow; from Rand to Mises to Reisman! Quit trying deflect from the topic and your faulty conclusions based on an alleged quote by Molotov to align with your Objectivist views.

Instead of a C&P of a bit of philosophy rather than documented proof of practice, provide either a documented commentary or source information of any historical practice of collectivism in Germany between 1933 and 1945 involving industry, agriculture and private property of Arians in the Reich equivalent to that practiced in the USSR during that same period. You can't do it because it didn't happen. Because extreme right wing Objectivists say there is an equivalence through semantic manipulations does not change the historical record of the matter.

During the Reich, Communist collectivism WAS NOT and NEVER WAS the political or practiced equivalent of Nazi fascism, and share only their totalitarian nature, and in their diametric opposition within the political spectrum; extreme left for the former and extreme right for the latter.

In any case, you have failed to prove what you claimed; "Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."" [PoliticalChic, Page 3, Post 27]. Unless you are able to prove that, your grade is FAILED!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."

You used your "quote" above as part of your proof for your thesis; your premise that Fascism and Communism methodology and ideology were one and the same. I haven't been able to locate a source for that quote to see what is written before the ellipsis, so I'm led to believe you didn't want to disclose that or an exact source you claim to have quoted by Molotov, which is actually a quote of yourself from your #3 in post #27. Quoting yourself in the same post?

In any case...

We all SHOULD know that collectivism was a major goal following the Bolshevik Revolution with the rise of Leninist/Marxist Communism. As initiated by Lenin and followed on by Stalin later on and through WWII, collectivism in its various forms was maintained over the entire period of the Nazi regime from 1933-1945 in the USSR.

Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists and neither agriculture nor private property of Arians were collectivized. Private companies like Krupp, Messerschmitt, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Focke-Wulf, et al, were among the industrial base when the Nazis came to power. None of those businesses were collectivized. Competitors such as Heinkel, Messerschmitt, and Focke-Wulf competed for contracts with the Reich for aircraft design and production. Krupp was the worlds largest arms manufacturer. They made a lots of Marks!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and ideologically the same? The two certainly were not!

Given these historical facts, how are collectivist and quasi-capitalist industrial systems economically and methodologically the same? The two certainly were not!

The main political parallel between the two was both regimes were totalitarian. The Communist collectivists were on far left of the political spectrum, while the Nazi fascists were on the opposite end, the right during that period.

The two ideologies and methodologies were definitely not the same.

Put away your biased Randian colored glasses, Chica.

BTW, you PLAGIARIZED yourself by not attributing the quote I noted at the top to yourself!

2. "Were the Nazis collectivists? The historical record does not bear that out at all. Germany had a large, stable and growing industrial base in the1930's run by quasi-capitalists....."

Wrong.
(sigh...) If you had only paid more attention in school



"What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existedin name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it wasthe German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."
Mises Daily Mises Institute

I warned you to take off your Randian colored glasses didn't I? And I wasn't home schooled.

The fact that George Reisman wrote about, not quoted, but wrote about what Mises borrowed from what Ayn Rand postulated [The Ayn Rand Lexicon Objectivism from A to Z Ayn Rand Lexicon] does not change history. What a course to follow; from Rand to Mises to Reisman! Quit trying deflect from the topic and your faulty conclusions based on an alleged quote by Molotov to align with your Objectivist views.

Instead of a C&P of a bit of philosophy rather than documented proof of practice, provide either a documented commentary or source information of any historical practice of collectivism in Germany between 1933 and 1945 involving industry, agriculture and private property of Arians in the Reich equivalent to that practiced in the USSR during that same period. You can't do it because it didn't happen. Because extreme right wing Objectivists say there is an equivalence through semantic manipulations does not change the historical record of the matter.

During the Reich, Communist collectivism WAS NOT and NEVER WAS the political or practiced equivalent of Nazi fascism, and share only their totalitarian nature, and in their diametric opposition within the political spectrum; extreme left for the former and extreme right for the latter.

In any case, you have failed to prove what you claimed; "Molotov: "...the two ideologies and methods were the same."" [PoliticalChic, Page 3, Post 27]. Unless you are able to prove that, your grade is FAILED!

I put you in your place again, huh?

Drop by for an education anytime.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

 

[ChrisL]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

This would have been a more insightful post:
"...‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished."
Hamlet

 

[ChrisL]

You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology. PEOPLE sometimes do bad things to one another. I think this has more to do with the people involved than the overall political ideology. You want to insinuate that a political ideology can be a driving force behind genocidal acts. I think most people would find that silly.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The devotees of totalitarianism, where government and the collective is more important than any human, any individual, accept genocide as government policy in support of doctrine.....communist, fascist, Nazi, and socialism.

As Liberals and Progressives have the same view vis-a-vis the collective, it follows that they are the same as any other totalitarian view qualitatively, if not quantitatively.


a. "The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. " Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century


b. It is only America's history and character that prevent our totalitarians from engaging in the genocide that other iterations have:
" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




2. Marxism (communism), and its spin-off, Nazism, were foursquare behind mass killings.....by bullets, by state-engineered famine, by working prisoners to death....death to millions upon millions.

a. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

"Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.
From the documentary "The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
Both, of course, of The Left.....not the Right.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." http://www.economist.com/node/11401983

You can view it in its entirety, here:
http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==

http://www.livingscoop.com/watch.php?v=MjQwMQ==



3. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.



And in a far off part of the world, yet, another totalist proclaimed: “We love death. You love your life!”

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

This would have been a more insightful post:
"...‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished."
Hamlet


Or this:
"It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are of a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question. The other party to the comparison knows both sides."
John Stuart Mill attributes this to Socrates

 

[ChrisL]

So what is your point with wasting our time with this drivel? Is there a point here besides, "the left . . . bad." ???

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

This would have been a more insightful post:
"...‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished."
Hamlet

Sorry but you are an extremist. No, I do not want to be like you or have your messed up viewpoints about my fellow Americans. You are a fear monger. It seems like your goal is to spread fear and mistrust and to divide us as people. You go out of your way to find things to divide us instead of trying to unite us. Shame. Shame on you! In fact, this is just one "tactic" that those genocidal maniacal leaders used in order to "dehumanize" those they wished to commit crimes against.

 

[ChrisL]

Runs deeply, your hatred does. ~Yoda

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you believe....I almost said 'think'.....the slaughter of over 100 million human beings by one political perspective is 'wasting your time,'...then education certainly isn't for you.

You may return to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

This would have been a more insightful post:
"...‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished."
Hamlet

Sorry but you are an extremist. No, I do not want to be like you or have your messed up viewpoints about my fellow Americans. You are a fear monger. It seems like your goal is to spread fear and mistrust and to divide us as people. You go out of your way to find things to divide us instead of trying to unite us. Shame. Shame on you! In fact, this is just one "tactic" that those genocidal maniacal leaders used in order to "dehumanize" those they wished to commit crimes against.

Actually, I'm a truth-teller.

It is the collectivist doctrines that slaughtered over 100 million of your fellow humans last century.....

But, I see your point....it's so much easier to simply fall in line than to speak up.

 

[ChrisL]

WTH? This isn't school, and you aren't the teacher. Thankfully. Lol. We'd be in a LOT of trouble otherwise.

What is the point of your thread? Are you accusing the left of wanting to commit genocide or something? All of the bad things that have ever happened in the world are the fault of a political ideology?

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

This would have been a more insightful post:
"...‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished."
Hamlet

Sorry but you are an extremist. No, I do not want to be like you or have your messed up viewpoints about my fellow Americans. You are a fear monger. It seems like your goal is to spread fear and mistrust and to divide us as people. You go out of your way to find things to divide us instead of trying to unite us. Shame. Shame on you! In fact, this is just one "tactic" that those genocidal maniacal leaders used in order to "dehumanize" those they wished to commit crimes against.

Actually, I'm a truth-teller.

It is the collectivist doctrines that slaughtered over 100 million of your fellow humans last century.....

But, I see your point....it's so much easier to simply fall in line than to speak up.

Fall in line? Are you implying that the left in this country would want to kill you? You see? You are nuttier than squirrel poop. Lol. Not unusual at all for this place though. You fit right in here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology. PEOPLE sometimes do bad things to one another. I think this has more to do with the people involved than the overall political ideology. You want to insinuate that a political ideology can be a driving force behind genocidal acts. I think most people would find that silly.

"You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology."

Hitler was a great painter: two coats in an afternoon!



Simple to live your life through platitudes, eh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is so sad....

If you had a teacher like me...and you had the ability to understand these lessons, you'd be a far wiser individual.


But, you may be correct: it is too late for you to learn.

Lol. Then I might be an extremist nut like yourself. No thanks. I'm a far HAPPIER individual obviously and that is fine with me!

This would have been a more insightful post:
"...‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished."
Hamlet

Sorry but you are an extremist. No, I do not want to be like you or have your messed up viewpoints about my fellow Americans. You are a fear monger. It seems like your goal is to spread fear and mistrust and to divide us as people. You go out of your way to find things to divide us instead of trying to unite us. Shame. Shame on you! In fact, this is just one "tactic" that those genocidal maniacal leaders used in order to "dehumanize" those they wished to commit crimes against.

Actually, I'm a truth-teller.

It is the collectivist doctrines that slaughtered over 100 million of your fellow humans last century.....

But, I see your point....it's so much easier to simply fall in line than to speak up.

Fall in line? Are you implying that the left in this country would want to kill you? You see? You are nuttier than squirrel poop. Lol. Not unusual at all for this place though. You fit right in here.

For Stalin and Hitler it was kill.

For Obamunists, it's ridicule, ruin financially, marginalize, and slander.

I will continue to post the truth...and you will continue to deny same.

 

[Sunni Man]

Political Chic always shoots progressives/liberals with the double barrel of Truth and Facts.

As they lay scattered on the ground like wounded ducks wondering what to do? ......

 

[ChrisL]

You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology. PEOPLE sometimes do bad things to one another. I think this has more to do with the people involved than the overall political ideology. You want to insinuate that a political ideology can be a driving force behind genocidal acts. I think most people would find that silly.

"You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology."

Hitler was a great painter: two coats in an afternoon!



Simple to live your life through platitudes, eh?

Sorry that you're so insane.

 

[ChrisL]

Political Chic always shoots progressives/liberals with the double barrel of Truth and Facts.

As they lay scattered on the ground like wounded ducks wondering what to do? ......

Not from what I've seen. She likes to spread fear and paranoia, that much is clear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology. PEOPLE sometimes do bad things to one another. I think this has more to do with the people involved than the overall political ideology. You want to insinuate that a political ideology can be a driving force behind genocidal acts. I think most people would find that silly.

"You know, nobody is "all bad" or "all good" regardless of their political ideology."

Hitler was a great painter: two coats in an afternoon!



Simple to live your life through platitudes, eh?

Sorry that you're so insane.

As per that quote, the choice of being a happy pig or a dissatisfied human being, I can actually see your choice of the former as being a valid choice.


Most especially if you

a. recognize that you aren't bright enough to consider the facts,
or
b. if you are too cowardly to confront the Liberal herd.



,,,and, no....I'm not insane: mommy had me tested.

 

[ChrisL]

You know, rather than fearing a Hitler, IMO, it is people like yourself that are much more destructive to OUR country at this point in time. Divisive, paranoid, delusional seems to be the way to be around here. Going out of your way to make obscure references in order to instigate this type of division along party lines. The hatred is absolutely palpable. One can only HOPE that people such as yourselves are not an accurate representation of most people in our great country.