Some consequences if AHC is repealed

[Luddly Neddite]

Looming court ruling worries some with health woes | Reuters

When I posted about the positive effects that some of us are getting from the Affordable Heath Care, rw's said I was lying because it has not yet taken effect. I posted FACTS showing that parts of it has been in effect for some time.

I hope people will read this article all the way through. Its possible you could learn the positive effects you could be getting already.

Or, if you prefer, you could just go on being ignorant about what the conservative scotus will soon take away from the American people.

 

[chanel]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The only ones to blame are those who didnt fucking read it.

 

[Greenbeard]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The legislation is about 900 pages long.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The most serious consequence when the ACA is struck down will be the fact that no proposal for reform will be forthcoming. Or any proposal will be derailed by republicans.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The only ones to blame are those who didnt fucking read it.

The ACA is a republican plan, and had it been passed by a republican Congress and signed into law by a republican president, you’d be among its most aggressive supporters.

Opposition to the ACA is partisan, not legal or factual.

 

[Cowman]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The only ones to blame are those who didnt fucking read it.

It doesn't matter what the length was. You guys would have still opposed it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The only ones to blame are those who didnt fucking read it.

The ACA is a republican plan, and had it been passed by a republican Congress and signed into law by a republican president, you’d be among its most aggressive supporters.

Opposition to the ACA is partisan, not legal or factual.

Is that why the Government argued on day one it was NOT a tax and on day 2 it WAS a tax? Maybe you could provide for us the provision in the Constitution where the Federal Government has authority to order citizens to buy a product or face either a tax or a fine for failing to do so?

It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and is in fact not a partisan issue.

 

[Liability]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The legislation is about 900 pages long.

In pdf format, it's 955 pages. http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

Of course, that's a compilation. The actual version was quite a bit longer. The HOUSE version in Oct. of 2009 was closer to two THOUSAND pages: http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf ALso, see: Text of H.R.3590 as Amendment in Senate (OC Prepared): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (1928 pages).

Another government pdf version brings it down to 906. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

 

[Liability]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The only ones to blame are those who didnt fucking read it.

It doesn't matter what the length was. You guys would have still opposed it.

It doesn't matter that you guys didn't read it or understand it, you guys would still have endorsed it.

Fucking idiot lemmings.

 

[Greenbeard]

The legislation is about 900 pages long.

In pdf format, it's 955 pages. http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

Of course, that's a compilation. The actual version was quite a bit longer. The HOUSE version in Oct. of 2009 was closer to two THOUSAND pages: http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf ALso, see: Text of H.R.3590 as Amendment in Senate (OC Prepared): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (1928 pages).

Another government pdf version brings it down to 906. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

Indeed. As I said, the legislation is about 900 pages long.

 

[Liability]

The legislation is about 900 pages long.

In pdf format, it's 955 pages. http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

Of course, that's a compilation. The actual version was quite a bit longer. The HOUSE version in Oct. of 2009 was closer to two THOUSAND pages: http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf ALso, see: Text of H.R.3590 as Amendment in Senate (OC Prepared): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (1928 pages).

Another government pdf version brings it down to 906. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

Indeed. As I said, the legislation is about 900 pages long.

Or 2000.

Pick one.

It hardly matters.

The stupid fucks never read it before thy passed it.

 

[Greenbeard]

Or 2000.

Pick one.

It hardly matters.

The stupid fucks never read it before thy passed it.

That doesn't make sense. The difference between the two page counts is Title X, the collection of all amendments passed on the floor of the Senate. The legislation only appears to be 2,000 pages long if you clump together sections that were deleted or amended with the language that replaced them (i.e. if most sections are printed/counted twice).

How can a bill on the Senate floor go through 1,000 pages of amendments to the original base legislation over a four week period if no one read it?

 

[Liability]

Or 2000.

Pick one.

It hardly matters.

The stupid fucks never read it before thy passed it.

That doesn't make sense. The difference between the two page counts is Title X, the collection of all amendments passed on the floor of the Senate. The legislation only appears to be 2,000 pages long if you clump together sections that were deleted or amended with the language that replaced them (i.e. if most sections are printed/counted twice).

How can a bill on the Senate floor go through 1,000 pages of amendments to the original base legislation over a four week period if no one read it?

I didn't say nobody read it.

I said the stupid fucks (meaning the fucks we SEND their to do the actual legislating) never read it.

They passed the buck -- the actual hard part -- to staff and accepted whatever the "staff" said. And its a damn safe bet that most of the respective Members' staffs didn't do any of that tedious reading shit, either. THEY simply and blindly accepted (I'd wager) the commentary of the folks who did the drafting.

They not only bought a pig in a poke, they didn't even bother to size up the poke.

 

[hortysir]

Looming court ruling worries some with health woes | Reuters

When I posted about the positive effects that some of us are getting from the Affordable Heath Care, rw's said I was lying because it has not yet taken effect. I posted FACTS showing that parts of it has been in effect for some time.

I hope people will read this article all the way through. Its possible you could learn the positive effects you could be getting already.

Or, if you prefer, you could just go on being ignorant about what the conservative scotus will soon take away from the American people.

So you can find a feel-good piece from the Rooters-for-Obama news agency.

The article says that 60,000 people have taken up this PICP.
Out of 30 million Americans.


This will only turn into another circle jerk.

The SCOTUS will rule soon enough.

 

[whitehall]

When asked what was in the 3,000 page law, madam speaker told Americans that they would find out after the law was passed. If the truth be known the lock step democrats had no idea what was in the law which was the length of most novels (and contained about as much fiction) and they were forced to vote for it or risk the same ostracism that Joe Lieberman faced in the senate when he appeared to be too independent for the DNC.

 

[oldernwiser]

Let's start with this assertion: health insurance is a POOL of funds collected by an agency and applied to our health care costs. This pool is defined and regulated by 50 different state laws, and you can verify this yourself with a little creative googling.

Based on this assertion, it isn't hard to see that the amount of funding in the pool is governed by the ratio of healthy to non-healthy subscribers. If the cost of medical services (doctor fees, hospital rates, etc) continues to spiral upward, and there is increased pressure to take on new subscribers with no chance of ever making a positive contribution to the pool, then the available funding in the pool is diminished at a much faster rate.

How is this an insurance issue? ACA as it's currently worded is almost like trying to repair your wallet because there's never enough cash in it.

While I do agree that our health care system is broken, it makes no sense to me to blame our wallets for the lack of cash in them.

 

[onecut39]

After reading this thread it is obvious there are a lot of folks who have no idea what the hell health care is in this country.

There are lots of things in Obamacare that are already in effect and will be sorely missed if SCOTUS voids the program. The GOP leaders are already scrambling to find ways to keep these provisions in effect. Ironic, isn't it?

If SCOTUS does void this law the GOP will then OWN the healthcare issue. The American healthcare system, if it can be called that, it the most expensive in the world with outcomes comparable to Bulgaria and other third world countries.

Sixty percent of all bankruptcies in this country are due to medical bills. Half of those people had health insurance. The first 15 to 35 percent of all healthcare premiums buys no health care at all. That is the overhead our corporate leaders need. The overhead for medicare is 3%.

Hell, at any given time approximately 20% of our population has no health care at all. For this the premiums are rising, overall, at multiple the general inflation rate.

That's what the GOP will be defending. I wish them luck..........they'll need it.

 

[Polk]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The only ones to blame are those who didnt fucking read it.

The ACA is a republican plan, and had it been passed by a republican Congress and signed into law by a republican president, you’d be among its most aggressive supporters.

Opposition to the ACA is partisan, not legal or factual.

Is that why the Government argued on day one it was NOT a tax and on day 2 it WAS a tax? Maybe you could provide for us the provision in the Constitution where the Federal Government has authority to order citizens to buy a product or face either a tax or a fine for failing to do so?

It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and is in fact not a partisan issue.

That argument rests on a lot of concern about form over function. If you get down to actual function, I could list tons of products the government gives the choice between buying or paying a tax over.

 

[Polk]

So its not all bad? Wow. That's a shocker. Maybe if they had stopped at a 1000 pages those people would not die.

The legislation is about 900 pages long.

In pdf format, it's 955 pages. http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

Of course, that's a compilation. The actual version was quite a bit longer. The HOUSE version in Oct. of 2009 was closer to two THOUSAND pages: http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf ALso, see: Text of H.R.3590 as Amendment in Senate (OC Prepared): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (1928 pages).

Another government pdf version brings it down to 906. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

And this goes to show why the number of pages argument is such a steaming load of crap. When people hear something is X pages long, they think of a page with 1" inch margins and 12-point font, not pages with 2" inch margins and 14-point font.

 

[Liability]

The legislation is about 900 pages long.

In pdf format, it's 955 pages. http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

Of course, that's a compilation. The actual version was quite a bit longer. The HOUSE version in Oct. of 2009 was closer to two THOUSAND pages: http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf ALso, see: Text of H.R.3590 as Amendment in Senate (OC Prepared): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress (1928 pages).

Another government pdf version brings it down to 906. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

And this goes to show why the number of pages argument is such a steaming load of crap. When people hear something is X pages long, they think of a page with 1" inch margins and 12-point font, not pages with 2" inch margins and 14-point font.

Irrelevant deflection.

The "legislation" was too fucking long for our pussy congresscritters to actually read, much less comprehend BEFORE they VOTED on the shit.