Socialized medicine does not work...

[TheProgressivePatriot]

In socialized medicine, there are no deadbeats, except for people who don't pay their taxes, like Donald Trump.

how can you people be this stupid?

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Idiocy.
I havent had cancer yet. If I do in the future then the NHS is there for me.

No one should be forced to pay for what "might" happen... that is no way to live.

The rest of us should not be forced to pay for it when it does happen because you were to irresponsible to plan for it. Don't conservatives constantly bleat about personal responsibility? Do you wait until you have an auto accident to gat auto insurance?

 

[Rustic]

how can you people be this stupid?

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Idiocy.
I havent had cancer yet. If I do in the future then the NHS is there for me.

No one should be forced to pay for what "might" happen... that is no way to live.

The rest of us should not be forced to pay for it when it does happen because you were to irresponsible to plan for it. Don't conservatives constantly bleat about personal responsibility? Do you wait until you have an auto accident to gat auto insurance?

Mandated insurance is extortion, fortunately the IRS Is no longer enforcing the mandate...

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The Five Worst Things about Obamacare
8:23 AM, FEB 23, 2017 | By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON
In passing Obamacare, its supporters promised the moon. Obamacare was allegedly going to cost $938 billion over ten years, result in 23 million people getting insurance through its exchanges as of 2017, reduce the typical family's premiums by $2,500 a year, and make sure that if you liked your health plan and doctor, you could keep your health plan and doctor.

Seven years later, Obamacare is projected to cost $1.938 trillion over ten years (exactly $1 trillion more), only 9 million people haveinsurance through its exchanges as of 2017 (just 40 percent of the original CBO projection), the typical family's premiums have exploded, and millions of people who liked their plans lost their plans, as Obamacare effectively banned them. Many of them lost their doctors as well......

But its for the people Comrades !!!!! Lol

 

[JQPublic1]

In socialized medicine, there are no deadbeats, except for people who don't pay their taxes, like Donald Trump.

how can you people be this stupid?

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Millions of us don't want no fruckin' wall but we are going to have to pay for it 'cause humpty trumpty wants one with his name on it!BTW I don't like spending 10 million dollars a month on security for Trump and his family when they travel, especially when his boys go on long personal business trips overseas...By contrast, Obama spent 11 million on travel for an entire year. Are you OK with that???

Elections have consequences...
I have no right to healthcare, but i do have right to earn healthcare.

I guess you are not a congress person, huh??? They have it all but don't really earn any of it. Its time to make congress remember they are no better than the average joe. lucrative salaries , pensions and healthcare for doing nothing for most of the year while undermining your constituents access to government benefits is wrong.

 

[JQPublic1]

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Idiocy.
I havent had cancer yet. If I do in the future then the NHS is there for me.

No one should be forced to pay for what "might" happen... that is no way to live.

The rest of us should not be forced to pay for it when it does happen because you were to irresponsible to plan for it. Don't conservatives constantly bleat about personal responsibility? Do you wait until you have an auto accident to gat auto insurance?

Mandated insurance is extortion, fortunately the IRS Is no longer enforcing the mandate...

And what do you call it when the bills taxpayers get when thousands of uninsured people go to the emergency room after being involved in an accident or when they get seriously ill? Isn't that extortion too? I hate to say it but if you want to make me pay for your damn doctor bills , I am tempted to just say fuck you, no insurance no service... SOL! But that would impact the poor more than those who can afford insurance but just don't want to spend money on it. The PPACA was the best answer for universal healthcare. It would be even better without the damn middle men raising the premiums to offset "losses" to pay for people who actually use their insurance to get healthy again. For that reason alone, I endorse socialized medicine and the expanded use of Medical practitioners and Nurses to augment doctor shortages to meet the demand increase. If a ARMY PFC or SP4 MEDIC is good enough to treat people in a combat environment, people wth those qualifications can treat citizens. That scenario is especially significant in the age of technology where a team of 10 or more MEDICs can be guided by one or two doctors via audiovisual means to perform outpatient procedures and some superficial surgeries. We just need to eliminate the leeches in the system known as health care insurers!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

In socialized medicine, there are no deadbeats, except for people who don't pay their taxes, like Donald Trump.

how can you people be this stupid?

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Millions of us don't want no fruckin' wall but we are going to have to pay for it 'cause humpty trumpty wants one with his name on it!BTW I don't like spending 10 million dollars a month on security for Trump and his family when they travel, especially when his boys go on long personal business trips overseas...By contrast, Obama spent 11 million on travel for an entire year. Are you OK with that???

typical idiot response, made without thinking.
The bullshit that the left comes up with like free healthcare, welfare, phones etc.. are expenses that will always be there, they will always grow. but then you compare it to the wall that is a one time deal, build it and the expense is basically over, while at the same time saving more than it cost to build in the first place.
As far as security? Considering that Trump is worth way more than the lawn jockey was, I am more than willing to pay for his security, besides, all presidents have the same security.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Idiocy.
I havent had cancer yet. If I do in the future then the NHS is there for me.

No one should be forced to pay for what "might" happen... that is no way to live.

The rest of us should not be forced to pay for it when it does happen because you were to irresponsible to plan for it. Don't conservatives constantly bleat about personal responsibility? Do you wait until you have an auto accident to gat auto insurance?

Mandated insurance is extortion, fortunately the IRS Is no longer enforcing the mandate...

And what do you call it when the bills taxpayers get when thousands of uninsured people go to the emergency room after being involved in an accident or when they get seriously ill? Isn't that extortion too? I hate to say it but if you want to make me pay for your damn doctor bills , I am tempted to just say fuck you, no insurance no service... SOL! But that would impact the poor more than those who can afford insurance but just don't want to spend money on it. The PPACA was the best answer for universal healthcare. It would be even better without the damn middle men raising the premiums to offset "losses" to pay for people who actually use their insurance to get healthy again. For that reason alone, I endorse socialized medicine and the expanded use of Medical practitioners and Nurses to augment doctor shortages to meet the demand increase. If a ARMY PFC or SP4 MEDIC is good enough to treat people in a combat environment, people wth those qualifications can treat citizens. That scenario is especially significant in the age of technology where a team of 10 or more MEDICs can be guided by one or two doctors via audiovisual means to perform outpatient procedures and some superficial surgeries. We just need to eliminate the leeches in the system known as health care insurers!

again with the idiot comment without thinking.
so we get stuck with a 1500 or 2000 dollar bill because some POS used the emergency room and didnt pay. Thats a whole lot cheaper than paying 1000 or more a month for that POS to have insurance that he might not be using at all.
Its much cheaper to let them go without. But if they want it, there is certainly nothing stopping them from purchasing it.
Not everything has to be free in life.

 

[PK1]

Socialized medicine does not work...

If so, how do you explain the "happiest countries" in the world having socialized medicine?

http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/03/HR-V1_web.pdf

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Socialized medicine does not work...

If so, how do you explain the "happiest countries" in the world having socialized medicine?

http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/03/HR-V1_web.pdf

there appears to be more countries that are not as happy as the U.S that also have socialized medicine, or was that fact not supposed to be pointed out.
13 isnt bad when you consider how miserable the lefties are in this country.
At any rate, can you explain why so many with socialized medicine are not as happy as the U.S?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Its obvious that the market isnt working in the US.
Why ?
Profit comes before patients.
Why do your medicines cost more than ours ?
Go figure.

 

[JQPublic1]

In socialized medicine, there are no deadbeats, except for people who don't pay their taxes, like Donald Trump.

how can you people be this stupid?

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Millions of us don't want no fruckin' wall but we are going to have to pay for it 'cause humpty trumpty wants one with his name on it!BTW I don't like spending 10 million dollars a month on security for Trump and his family when they travel, especially when his boys go on long personal business trips overseas...By contrast, Obama spent 11 million on travel for an entire year. Are you OK with that???

typical idiot response, made without thinking.
The bullshit that the left comes up with like free healthcare, welfare, phones etc.. are expenses that will always be there, they will always grow. but then you compare it to the wall that is a one time deal, build it and the expense is basically over, while at the same time saving more than it cost to build in the first place.
As far as security? Considering that Trump is worth way more than the lawn jockey was, I am more than willing to pay for his security, besides, all presidents have the same security.

1. If you think my response was idiotic the average person must think yours is the mother of idiotic responses. The "wall" depending on the design and construction will require maintenance and repair. And I have seen nothing to suggest that such a wall will be saving moe than it costs. With two Oceans and a Canadian border still insecure, the wall will serve as little more than a tourist attraction with Trump's brand on it. I know you will scoff at the notion that most illegal immigrants in this country don't come across the Mexico/US border, most come here legally and subsequently overstay their visas. Why risk gettting shot at by jumping a fence when a passport or visa willl allow you to get into the country on a bus or plane. See how stupid you RW ffreaks are. You will fall for anything Trump proposes because you are WEAK++++

Also, DId you knowt he Prime minister of Canada has already invited refugees to head his way if the US doesn't want them? I doubt it If Trump doesn't tweet it to you you wouldn't know!

TRUMP's real worth:
Trump is not worth any more than anyone else. The chemical composition of his fat ass body might contain more fat cells than most, but the cost of those chemicals could be had for less than $5.00.

 

[PK1]

Socialized medicine does not work...

If so, how do you explain the "happiest countries" in the world having socialized medicine?

http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/03/HR-V1_web.pdf

there appears to be more countries that are not as happy as the U.S that also have socialized medicine, or was that fact not supposed to be pointed out.
13 isnt bad when you consider how miserable the lefties are in this country.
At any rate, can you explain why so many with socialized medicine are not as happy as the U.S?

So you admit the OP's title is bogus; there's no correlation between socialized medicine and a country's happiness ... or ...
socialized medicine works well in developed & civilized countries.
USA is definitely an economic power, and if it became more equitable (civilized), maybe it would be a happier place to live.
Perhaps?

 

[NCC1701]

Socialized medicine does not work...

If so, how do you explain the "happiest countries" in the world having socialized medicine?

http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/03/HR-V1_web.pdf

how do you explain grown adults thinking that they can present this crap as if it means something?

happiness is not an empirical variable, there are no error bars, and the US is 2.6% away from socialist paradise Sweden, which is more than that away from Denmark. The US is not one place, nor one homogeneous people, it is a vast nation that varies greatly, it is supremely niave to think you can sum it all up with one number for a subjective emotion. Have you always been this stupid? or did it happen when you started believing the liberal religion?

Isreal is 'happier'! right, just fucking spot on

 

[PK1]

Socialized medicine does not work...

If so, how do you explain the "happiest countries" in the world having socialized medicine?

http://worldhappiness.report/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/03/HR-V1_web.pdf

how do you explain grown adults thinking that they can present this crap as if it means something?

happiness is not an empirical variable, there are no error bars, and the US is 2.6% away from socialist paradise Sweden, which is more than that away from Denmark. The US is not one place, nor one homogeneous people, it is a vast nation that varies greatly, it is supremely niave to think you can sum it all up with one number for a subjective emotion. Have you always been this stupid? or did it happen when you started believing the liberal religion?

What "liberal religion" ? Have you always been this stupid with your anger issues?

I presented ONE study that associates ONE positive variable to countries that happen to have socialized medicine.
Socialized medicine can work; it obviously depends on the details of its implementation along with other variables.
Get a grip ...

 

[Andylusion]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

In socialized medicine, there are no deadbeats, except for people who don't pay their taxes, like Donald Trump.

how can you people be this stupid?

Deadbeats don't pay their bills. There are no bills in socialized medicine. The money comes from all taxpayers. Hence my statement.

Someone has to pay for something they do not want and will never use, see thats the problem with any form of socialized medicine.... in reality one size never fits all.

Idiocy.
I havent had cancer yet. If I do in the future then the NHS is there for me.

EXCLUSIVE 200,000 desperate Britons go ABROAD for medical care as NHS waiting lists spiral

Is this true or false?

Medigo.com, which provides medical travel advice, said enquiries from Britons had more than trebled in the last six months, which could mean that at least 190,000 are planning to travel abroad.​

Tell me, if the NHS is so great... how is it that a company Medigo has 190,000 people clamoring to pay for health care?.... so many, that they can make money as a for-profit company?

NHS is free right? Government provided health care, correct? People are willing to pay money, when they have FREE health care from the NHS? Apparently they are not saying "NHS is there for me".

See this is the difference between people like you, and right-wingers like me. The left-wingers are always convinced of how great the system is, until they have to use it. It's the people that show up, only to find they are on a 3 year long waiting list, that suddenly the left-wing socialist mythology is shattered.

Only a total rethink can save the NHS from collapse and satisfy such huge demand

HEALTHCARE systems around the world are in crisis. It’s not just the NHS and it’s not just in Britain.​

Crisis? Doesn't sound like "NHS is there for me".

Girl to have US operation after NHS spinal surgery halted - BBC News

A teenager is to fly to the US for life-changing spinal surgery after an NHS trust stopped offering it.​

Wow, the NHS isn't there for her, is it?

Our entire country is in denial about the NHS, including Philip Hammond

Our entire country is in denial about the NHS, including Philip Hammond
As a society we’re in denial about this necessary trade-off between the rising demand for healthcare and the rates of tax we’re prepared to bear​

The only good news here, is it isn't even just the UK that is in denial. It's the entire world on socialized health care, including Medicare here in the US.

The evidence is overwhelming, unanswerable, undeniable, and endless. Socialized health care, just as anything else socialized, always fails. The UK is heading down the same road as Greece.

My advice to you... better have some money saved up in case you need to fly to one of those evil capitalist hospitals in Singapore or India.... you know... just in case NHS isn't quite as 'there for you' as you think it is right now.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

"Other Variables" = Endless funnel of Expanding Tax Dollars

 

[Andylusion]

Its obvious that the market isnt working in the US.
Why ?
Profit comes before patients.
Why do your medicines cost more than ours ?
Go figure.

That's not the reason Tommy. Yes the market isn't working, because we don't have a market.

You can't blame the problems in a system on Capitalism, when it isn't a Capitalist system.

We have a very very socialized system in the US.

What is the number one complaint from all the left-wingers? Cost. They don't complain about the quality of care. You don't see people saying treatment in the US is so bad, that they are flying to Pakistan to get treatment.

When they do surveys of medical tourists from the UK, what is the number one reason? Wait times. You wait for years to get treatment, which in the case of cancer or other illnesses can be lethal.

But when they do survey's of medical tourists from the US, what is the number one reason? Cost. I can get the same treatment for a few thousand, instead of $10 thousand, elsewhere.

So cost is the number one problem. Well why is cost so high? There are dozens of contributing factors, but the largest and most damaging is...... Government. Namely Medicare and Medicaid.

Both Medicare and Medicaid, routinely pay less than the cost of care. Since 50% or more of patients are gov-patients, that means the hospital would go bankrupt. In order to not go bankrupt, they have to charge a much larger price to non-gov-patients, in order to cover the loss from gov-patients.

See? As medicare and medicaid payments fall lower than the cost of care, the payments of private payers is increased to cover those losses.

The primary, number one, top of the list factor that makes health care so expensive in the US.... is government.

I could list you a dozen other causes to, like regulations, controls, price caps, everything... all government.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Its obvious that the market isnt working in the US.
Why ?
Profit comes before patients.
Why do your medicines cost more than ours ?
Go figure.

That's not the reason Tommy. Yes the market isn't working, because we don't have a market.

You can't blame the problems in a system on Capitalism, when it isn't a Capitalist system.

We have a very very socialized system in the US.

What is the number one complaint from all the left-wingers? Cost. They don't complain about the quality of care. You don't see people saying treatment in the US is so bad, that they are flying to Pakistan to get treatment.

When they do surveys of medical tourists from the UK, what is the number one reason? Wait times. You wait for years to get treatment, which in the case of cancer or other illnesses can be lethal.

But when they do survey's of medical tourists from the US, what is the number one reason? Cost. I can get the same treatment for a few thousand, instead of $10 thousand, elsewhere.

So cost is the number one problem. Well why is cost so high? There are dozens of contributing factors, but the largest and most damaging is...... Government. Namely Medicare and Medicaid.

Both Medicare and Medicaid, routinely pay less than the cost of care. Since 50% or more of patients are gov-patients, that means the hospital would go bankrupt. In order to not go bankrupt, they have to charge a much larger price to non-gov-patients, in order to cover the loss from gov-patients.

See? As medicare and medicaid payments fall lower than the cost of care, the payments of private payers is increased to cover those losses.

The primary, number one, top of the list factor that makes health care so expensive in the US.... is government.

I could list you a dozen other causes to, like regulations, controls, price caps, everything... all government.

There are reasons for the current problems in the UK. Not least the government has a vested interest in introducing a privatised american style system in the UK.
I will find some links for you when I get a minute.

 

[Andylusion]

Its obvious that the market isnt working in the US.
Why ?
Profit comes before patients.
Why do your medicines cost more than ours ?
Go figure.

That's not the reason Tommy. Yes the market isn't working, because we don't have a market.

You can't blame the problems in a system on Capitalism, when it isn't a Capitalist system.

We have a very very socialized system in the US.

What is the number one complaint from all the left-wingers? Cost. They don't complain about the quality of care. You don't see people saying treatment in the US is so bad, that they are flying to Pakistan to get treatment.

When they do surveys of medical tourists from the UK, what is the number one reason? Wait times. You wait for years to get treatment, which in the case of cancer or other illnesses can be lethal.

But when they do survey's of medical tourists from the US, what is the number one reason? Cost. I can get the same treatment for a few thousand, instead of $10 thousand, elsewhere.

So cost is the number one problem. Well why is cost so high? There are dozens of contributing factors, but the largest and most damaging is...... Government. Namely Medicare and Medicaid.

Both Medicare and Medicaid, routinely pay less than the cost of care. Since 50% or more of patients are gov-patients, that means the hospital would go bankrupt. In order to not go bankrupt, they have to charge a much larger price to non-gov-patients, in order to cover the loss from gov-patients.

See? As medicare and medicaid payments fall lower than the cost of care, the payments of private payers is increased to cover those losses.

The primary, number one, top of the list factor that makes health care so expensive in the US.... is government.

I could list you a dozen other causes to, like regulations, controls, price caps, everything... all government.

There are reasons for the current problems in the UK. Not least the government has a vested interest in introducing a privatised american style system in the UK.
I will find some links for you when I get a minute.

Of course they have vested interest. All things political, don't happen without vested interest. The whole reason our government is pushing for socialized care, is because they have vested interest.

Anytime any government does anything... whether you like it and agree with it, or if you hate it and oppose it.... both are only done for vested interest.

 

[PK1]

"Other Variables" = Endless funnel of Expanding Tax Dollars

Or, you can whine ...
"Other Variables" = Endless funnel of Expanding Tax Dollars
when referring to the Military budget, Infrastructure projects, building a wall against Mexico, or Canada (because cons are afraid of their socialized medicine LOL).
You can apply your useless pessimism to almost anything you don't like without much thought.
No logik needed!