Socialism is No Longer a Dirty Word

[PubliusInfinitum]

Ah, Publius.

I've missed your insane rantings.

Thanks Chris... I appreciate the time you've taken to spam this thread through your usual lack of any means to advance a cogent, logically valid, intellectually sound point of view.

But Chris... as always, I want you to know that it's clear to me that you're doin' the very BEST you can; God bless ya...

 

[Chris]

Thanks Chris... I appreciate the time you've taken to spam this thread through your usual lack of any means to advance a cogent, logically valid, intellectually sound point of view.

But Chris... as always, I want you to know that it's clear to me that you're doin' the very BEST you can; God bless ya...

Oh, please...

NOW GO BACK TO WRITING EVERYTHING IN CAPS LIKE THE RAVING LUNATIC YOU ARE!

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Oh, please...

NOW GO BACK TO WRITING EVERYTHING IN CAPS LIKE THE RAVING LUNATIC YOU ARE!

BRAVO! Absolutely pointless... So few people can be so consistantly worthless. Yet it seems to be your gift.

 

[Chris]

BRAVO! Absolutely pointless... So few people can be so consistantly worthless. Yet it seems to be your gift.

NO I HAVE LEARNED FROM YOU THAT WRITING IN ALL CAPS IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY OF CONVEYING THAT ONE IS INSANE!

Now get back to your useless rant against socialism unless you have finally realized that unrestrained capitalism and deficit borrowing by Bush and Reagan is what bankrupted America.

 

[Lycurgus]

NO I HAVE LEARNED FROM YOU THAT WRITING IN ALL CAPS IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY OF CONVEYING THAT ONE IS INSANE!

Now get back to your useless rant against socialism unless you have finally realized that unrestrained capitalism and deficit borrowing by Bush and Reagan is what bankrupted America.

Chris, please consider this my weekend contribution to your rehabilitation.

Learn to Just Say NO..............

 

[Chris]

Chris, please consider this my weekend contribution to your rehabilitation.

Learn to Just Say NO..............

No.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

NO I HAVE LEARNED FROM YOU THAT WRITING IN ALL CAPS IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY OF CONVEYING THAT ONE IS INSANE!

Now get back to your useless rant against socialism unless you have finally realized that unrestrained capitalism and deficit borrowing by Bush and Reagan is what bankrupted America.

Yes... YES! Excellent... Not one WORD was relevant to this issue at hand on this thread... She's clearly and most thoroughly bereft of any sense of relevance what so ever.

 

[Chris]

Yes... YES! Excellent... Not one WORD was relevant to this issue at hand on this thread... She's clearly and most thoroughly bereft of any sense of relevance what so ever.

No, there were WORDS in that post which were RELEVANT to the problems of CAPITALISM.

YOU just FAILED to ACKNOWLEDGE them!

 

[chloe]

Oh, please...

NOW GO BACK TO WRITING EVERYTHING IN CAPS LIKE THE RAVING LUNATIC YOU ARE!

he's not a lunatic, he is very rational. Socialism is a dirty word. Only lazy people want a socialist/commie society.

 

[Agnapostate]

Look sis, the Spanish Revolution did NOT create Anarchism... it did NOT PRODUCE A HIGHLY ORGANIZED STATE ABSENT HIERARCHY, it produced one of the weakest cultures on earth which is allowed to practice its fascist governance by virtue of the protection that is provided by the United States. Spain would have been a satellite of Nazi Germany if not for the power of capitalism which freed it, as brought to bear by the UNITED STATES. Spain would FURTHER be a satellite of the Soviet Union, AGAIN if not for the power created by capitalism, as demonstrated by the US economy... Much like little Canada, it is able to spend 1 cent of its dollar on defense and the rest on growing hydroponic pot BECAUSE THE US Military says no one will threaten Canada.

All of these nonsensical theoretical musings would be out the damn window absent the strength of capitalism and the means of the free world PROTECTED BY AMERICA, to freely exchange goods and services to the mutual benefit of each party... OKA: CAPITALISM.

What a moron. You clearly don't have any historical conception of the Spanish Revolution or the effects that it produced. The Spanish anarchists were allied with the Popular Front and were one of the chief foes of fascism during the Spanish Civil War. They were sabotaged by the Leninists and authoritarian socialists that constituted most of the Popular Front. You know nothing whatsoever of anarchism or libertarian socialism, and are clearly unaware of the high collectivization rates in Aragon and Catalonia.

Learn some history, idiot.

Well only temporally... Socialism is little more than the transition to communism. Socialism discourages the production of wealth; wealth is required to sustain the promise of socialism; failure is thus inevitable; as failure closes in the state exponentially gathers more power towards a more centralized scope, until it is required to seize control of the means of production; strip the system of all traces of individual profit in order to maximize production... and PRESTO... Communism.

This is precisely how the US went from a free market capitalist society of the 19th century, to the progressive economy (read: fascist) of the 20th century and is now spiraling into Socialism... even as we speak the government is demanding greater and greater control to 'manage' the market... the same trend will simply continue, as the state's failure to control the market escalates, it will blame the market for the failure (as you're doing) and thus take more and more power to execute greater control, until it is said that to save the nation, it must determine who does what, when and for how much... AKA: COMMUNISM.

Again sis, this isn't a complex issue; it's simply beyond your intellectual means.

No, idiot, your problem is that the only understanding you've ever gained of socialism is what you've read about Marx on the Heritage Foundation website. You know nothing of Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin or any other legitimate socialist. Your "transitional phase" theory is a tenet of Marxism, (that has always failed), which is why so many legitimate socialists call for the violent overthrow of the state and capitalism rather than a transition through a "workers' state" and an establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat," elements of Marxism that you incorrectly assume are true of all forms of socialism due to your ignorance of political economy.

Your little "analysis" ignores the fact that so many are in favor of the permanent establishment of market socialism, mutualism, or collectivism.

Again... Let the record reflect, 'Libertarian Socialism' is anoxymoron in the extreme... libertarianism is the very antithesis of socialism... this idiot has been so daftly indoctrinated that she is simply unable to recognize one concept from the next; even where the concepts are are diametric opposition. This is of course a function of being 'taught' by idiots; thus it serves reason; this without regard to just how freakin' sad it may be.

On the contrary, the conventional understanding that libertarianism is associated with capitalism is false and an oxymoron in the extreme. This is correctly regarded as false in most non-American countries and was historically regarded as false in the United States until the term "libertarianism" was corrupted. Libertarianism and capitalism cannot coexist because libertarianism stresses the maximization of liberty and capitalism necessitates hierarchy in the workplace and hierarchy outside of the workplace through extreme wage inequities.

he's not a lunatic, he is very rational. Socialism is a dirty word. Only lazy people want a socialist/commie society.

I don't see any grounds for that claim whatsoever, considering that it commits the fallacy of assuming that a socialist economy necessarily abandons wage differentiations according to skill differentiations, and that a communist economy necessarily abandons remuneration differentiations according to labor input differentiations. Both are false.

 

[chloe]

are you a communist?

 

[Agnapostate]

are you a communist?

Yes. But not of the variety you're probably familiar with. I'm an anarcho-communist in the spirit of Peter Kropotkin.

 

[chloe]

well a commie is a commie, now I understand why you aren't able to be objective with PubliusInfinitu.

 

[Agnapostate]

well a commie is a commie, now I understand why you aren't able to be objective with PubliusInfinitu.

In what manner have I not been objective with Pubertus that he is not been similarly non-objective? In defending socialism? Is there a reason I shouldn't do so?

And why do you not respond to my rebuttal of your position?

 

[chloe]

The formality doesn't veil the commie agenda on me or Publiusinfinitu.....we are not fooled by it.

 

[Agnapostate]

The formality doesn't veil the commie agenda on me or Publiusinfinitu.....we are not fooled by it.

What agenda do I have that he does not have? Why should I not have an agenda of promoting libertarian socialism, just as he has an agenda of promoting capitalism?

And why have you ignored my observation that a socialist economy does not necessitate an abandonment of differentiations of wages according to differentiations of skill levels?

 

[mightypeon]

Pardon, but before making generalizations about Communists I would suggest to read up a bit on that matter. Stalin was propably the worst perversion of communisn that could be possibly imagined. In the same line, Is every Democrat like Robbespierre?
You know, he got into the Bolshewiki (who actually were less important than the Menschwiki for a long time) because he was good at robbing banks.
Communism failed because it, due to concentration of power in the hands of very few, lead to structures that had nothing to do with public property but were run by a class of "apparatchicks" with no competion from other groups as these apparatchicks controlled both the economy and the political power. In a market socialist society like f.e. Germany, the politicians controll the gouverment while the bankers controll the economy, which kinda prevents an accumulation of power at one side. Meanwhile, the bailouts give me the impression that the "bankers" already controll the gouverment in the USA.

It is all about checks and balances. If there would have been checks and balances in the USSR, it would have been a socialism, maybe like the Prague Spring time.
If you dont place checks and balances on the accumulation of wealth you will end up with Wall Street totally running Washington which is what is happening now.

 

[chloe]

Are you Russian/german/chinese?

 

[Agnapostate]

Are you Russian/german/chinese?

Why the question? I think he's made a valid point, especially since the Soviet Union was a state capitalist nation rather than a socialist one.

 

[chloe]

What agenda do I have that he does not have? Why should I not have an agenda of promoting libertarian socialism, just as he has an agenda of promoting capitalism?

And why have you ignored my observation that a socialist economy does not necessitate an abandonment of differentiations of wages according to differentiations of skill levels?

Because Im an American in a capitalistic society and I have freedom, to disregard a commie if I want to.