So you want better paying jobs?

[Correll]

I did not claim that "Capitalism has no oppression".

How is it different?

Easy. When the Westward expansion was done, it did not slow down the growth of the US at all.

Our Indian Policy was not a Fundamental Part of our System.

The Soviets let in a little bit of Freedom and it snowballed and quickly destroyed the SOviet Union and their Communistm system.

Tyranny and Oppression was a Fundamental Part of their System that it could not survive without.

In other words, it doesn't depend on Socialism or Capitalism, but rather, Good management and not Bad management.

I made my point and supported it with historical examples, ie the continued survival of the US, and Fall of the Soviet Union.

Your statement claims an opposite conclusion, but without any supporting explanation or sited evidence.

My point stands.

Actually pretty much all my points have withstood your attempts at "rebuttal" such as they have been.

It is just your opinion. I gave a valid rebuttal to which you have nothing but a non sequitur and Excuse for not having a better point and argument.

Your point is irrelevant since the "fail" of the "US under the Articles". Our Federal Constitution was Intelligently Designed from Inception by a Committee of the People.

It is merely and only Good or Bad management that can make the difference between Heaven and Hell.

Your "valid rebuttal" was nothing but the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.

The "failure" of the Article of Confederation was a problem for the US. One that was dealt with and the US continued on growing in wealth and power. It in no way is equivalent to the complete disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Denying that different systems have more differences than just Management is delusional.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

 

[danielpalos]

In other words, it doesn't depend on Socialism or Capitalism, but rather, Good management and not Bad management.

I made my point and supported it with historical examples, ie the continued survival of the US, and Fall of the Soviet Union.

Your statement claims an opposite conclusion, but without any supporting explanation or sited evidence.

My point stands.

Actually pretty much all my points have withstood your attempts at "rebuttal" such as they have been.

It is just your opinion. I gave a valid rebuttal to which you have nothing but a non sequitur and Excuse for not having a better point and argument.

Your point is irrelevant since the "fail" of the "US under the Articles". Our Federal Constitution was Intelligently Designed from Inception by a Committee of the People.

It is merely and only Good or Bad management that can make the difference between Heaven and Hell.

Your "valid rebuttal" was nothing but the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.

The "failure" of the Article of Confederation was a problem for the US. One that was dealt with and the US continued on growing in wealth and power. It in no way is equivalent to the complete disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Denying that different systems have more differences than just Management is delusional.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved

there is no evidence that it failed. You love to look stupid and liberal!!

 

[danielpalos]

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved

there is no evidence that it failed. You love to look stupid and liberal!!

dear, closing the "position" on the US under the Articles, terminated that government; with the establishment of our new form of federal government. It was a simple evolution of government.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It was a simple evolution of government.

dear, you said it failed, now you said it was a simple evolution. Think before you post.

 

[danielpalos]

It was a simple evolution of government.

dear, you said it failed, now you said it was a simple evolution. Think before you post.

yes, dear.

yes, the previous iteration of Government was canceled in favor of our new government.

 

[Correll]

I made my point and supported it with historical examples, ie the continued survival of the US, and Fall of the Soviet Union.

Your statement claims an opposite conclusion, but without any supporting explanation or sited evidence.

My point stands.

Actually pretty much all my points have withstood your attempts at "rebuttal" such as they have been.

It is just your opinion. I gave a valid rebuttal to which you have nothing but a non sequitur and Excuse for not having a better point and argument.

Your point is irrelevant since the "fail" of the "US under the Articles". Our Federal Constitution was Intelligently Designed from Inception by a Committee of the People.

It is merely and only Good or Bad management that can make the difference between Heaven and Hell.

Your "valid rebuttal" was nothing but the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.

The "failure" of the Article of Confederation was a problem for the US. One that was dealt with and the US continued on growing in wealth and power. It in no way is equivalent to the complete disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Denying that different systems have more differences than just Management is delusional.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

 

[danielpalos]

It is just your opinion. I gave a valid rebuttal to which you have nothing but a non sequitur and Excuse for not having a better point and argument.

Your point is irrelevant since the "fail" of the "US under the Articles". Our Federal Constitution was Intelligently Designed from Inception by a Committee of the People.

It is merely and only Good or Bad management that can make the difference between Heaven and Hell.

Your "valid rebuttal" was nothing but the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.

The "failure" of the Article of Confederation was a problem for the US. One that was dealt with and the US continued on growing in wealth and power. It in no way is equivalent to the complete disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Denying that different systems have more differences than just Management is delusional.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

 

[Correll]

Your "valid rebuttal" was nothing but the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.

The "failure" of the Article of Confederation was a problem for the US. One that was dealt with and the US continued on growing in wealth and power. It in no way is equivalent to the complete disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Denying that different systems have more differences than just Management is delusional.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

Calling points you cannot refute "diversions" does not make it so, no matter how often you do so.

SO, since you refuse to address any of my points, what do you mean by "exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth"


Because honestly, it sounds like complete gibberish.

Oh, keep it concise and use normal accepted meanings for words. I don't want to waste time playing guessing games on what you mean and then have you complain that I am putting words in your mouth for supposedly guessing wrong.

If you believe in your idea, don't try to hide your meaning with odd jargon and poor sentence structure.

 

[danielpalos]

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

Calling points you cannot refute "diversions" does not make it so, no matter how often you do so.

SO, since you refuse to address any of my points, what do you mean by "exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth"


Because honestly, it sounds like complete gibberish.

Oh, keep it concise and use normal accepted meanings for words. I don't want to waste time playing guessing games on what you mean and then have you complain that I am putting words in your mouth for supposedly guessing wrong.

If you believe in your idea, don't try to hide your meaning with odd jargon and poor sentence structure.

Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

 

[jon_berzerk]

 

[Correll]

The US was dissolved in 1781?

Stop playing word games.

Why are you so invested in Communism?

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

Calling points you cannot refute "diversions" does not make it so, no matter how often you do so.

SO, since you refuse to address any of my points, what do you mean by "exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth"


Because honestly, it sounds like complete gibberish.

Oh, keep it concise and use normal accepted meanings for words. I don't want to waste time playing guessing games on what you mean and then have you complain that I am putting words in your mouth for supposedly guessing wrong.

If you believe in your idea, don't try to hide your meaning with odd jargon and poor sentence structure.

Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

Different systems have differences. It is completely reasonable to compare them and their historical achievements to judge them.

To deny that differences exist and that it is all simply a matter of "Management" is not only extremely dishonest, but dishonest in a manner that would only fool the most credulous of fools.

And I still have no idea what you are talking about with

"exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth".


Please try again.

 

[danielpalos]

Seems like we merely need need a general tax on Firms to fund unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines in our at-will employment States.

 

[danielpalos]

Nope; the US under the Articles failed and was dissolved. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management in creating our federal form of government, in advance.

why do you have nothing but irrelevant propaganda and rhetoric instead of a valid argument.

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

Calling points you cannot refute "diversions" does not make it so, no matter how often you do so.

SO, since you refuse to address any of my points, what do you mean by "exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth"


Because honestly, it sounds like complete gibberish.

Oh, keep it concise and use normal accepted meanings for words. I don't want to waste time playing guessing games on what you mean and then have you complain that I am putting words in your mouth for supposedly guessing wrong.

If you believe in your idea, don't try to hide your meaning with odd jargon and poor sentence structure.

Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

Different systems have differences. It is completely reasonable to compare them and their historical achievements to judge them.

To deny that differences exist and that it is all simply a matter of "Management" is not only extremely dishonest, but dishonest in a manner that would only fool the most credulous of fools.

And I still have no idea what you are talking about with

"exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth".


Please try again.

Bad management accounts for every scenario you can come up with.

 

[Correll]

Your first sentence denies what I said, and then restates what I said. Please stop playing word games.

It is hardly "irrelevant propaganda" to point out that different systems have differences, other than just the quality of their Management.

It is a weak rationalization to claim otherwise, one apparently driven by your deep investment in Communism.

You are invested in Communism, are you not?

And if so, why?

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

Calling points you cannot refute "diversions" does not make it so, no matter how often you do so.

SO, since you refuse to address any of my points, what do you mean by "exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth"


Because honestly, it sounds like complete gibberish.

Oh, keep it concise and use normal accepted meanings for words. I don't want to waste time playing guessing games on what you mean and then have you complain that I am putting words in your mouth for supposedly guessing wrong.

If you believe in your idea, don't try to hide your meaning with odd jargon and poor sentence structure.

Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

Different systems have differences. It is completely reasonable to compare them and their historical achievements to judge them.

To deny that differences exist and that it is all simply a matter of "Management" is not only extremely dishonest, but dishonest in a manner that would only fool the most credulous of fools.

And I still have no idea what you are talking about with

"exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth".


Please try again.

Bad management accounts for every scenario you can come up with.

Whatever. I give up getting you to honestly or seriously address that point, or any point.

What I want to know is what you mean by

"exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth".


I have no idea what that means. You say it a lot. It seems to be important to you.

I have repeatedly asked you to explain it.

I will do so again.

Please explain what you mean by that.

 

[danielpalos]

You have nothing but diversion. Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

Calling points you cannot refute "diversions" does not make it so, no matter how often you do so.

SO, since you refuse to address any of my points, what do you mean by "exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth"


Because honestly, it sounds like complete gibberish.

Oh, keep it concise and use normal accepted meanings for words. I don't want to waste time playing guessing games on what you mean and then have you complain that I am putting words in your mouth for supposedly guessing wrong.

If you believe in your idea, don't try to hide your meaning with odd jargon and poor sentence structure.

Our Founding Fathers exercised Good management, regardless of form of Government. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

And, is it wrong to believe that by simply exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth?

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

Different systems have differences. It is completely reasonable to compare them and their historical achievements to judge them.

To deny that differences exist and that it is all simply a matter of "Management" is not only extremely dishonest, but dishonest in a manner that would only fool the most credulous of fools.

And I still have no idea what you are talking about with

"exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth".


Please try again.

Bad management accounts for every scenario you can come up with.

Whatever. I give up getting you to honestly or seriously address that point, or any point.

What I want to know is what you mean by

"exercising Good social morals for free, we can achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth".


I have no idea what that means. You say it a lot. It seems to be important to you.

I have repeatedly asked you to explain it.

I will do so again.

Please explain what you mean by that.

Thank you for ceding that point and argument.

Here is the context for what i mean:

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.--The Federalist Number Fifty-One

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I have no idea what that means..

nobody knows what his gibberish means. All we know is he's a illiterate liberal who is too stupid to know he makes no sense!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Bad management accounts for every scenario you can come up with.

the perfect idiot liberal would have us believe that Hitler Stalin and Mao were merely bad managers when they killed 200 million, not that the liberal system in which they managed was faulty!!

Its seems simple but he really is too stupid to understand it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Bad management accounts for every scenario you can come up with.

the perfect idiot liberal would have us believe that Hitler Stalin and Mao were merely bad managers when they killed 200 million souls, not that the liberal system in which they managed was inherently evil !!

Its seems simple but he really is too stupid and liberal to understand it. The liberal always believes the next time will be the charm!![/QUOTE]

 

[Slyhunter]

Now my example is a little exaggerated, we'd never apply a 50% tariff on something... but the point is making imports more expensive so that American companies can compete again. When we change this dynamic, jobs will begin to generate as a result.. more jobs = more demand for labor = higher wages.

Interesting, socialism doesn't work, Marx is evil, only the free market can provide etc....

But you're promoting tariffs, which is interfering with the holy free market, as the solution.

Seriously?

tariffs are necessary to even the playing field.