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No, it takes one demented individual.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.There is no reason to fear guns...I can't agree with either of the points in the second paragraph. I see no basis to support the idea that gun laws create fear and loathing of guns by anybody. Rather, the abuse of them in mass shootings does that. Nor can I agree that "guns are an essential component of the American spirit". That's been true historically but not necessarily. That is, it's not something that needs to continue, or ever needed to be there before, in order to perpetuate the concept of "America".
Again I disagree that these are the only two choices. The preferable choice, not listed above, would be a free society that is unarmed voluntarily. And that has nothing to do with passing laws.
They can do nothing on their own
Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
I've answered the question many times for this strange person, of course. And she continues to ignore the answer, and pretend I never answered it.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/so-what-is-the-best-way-to-reduce-or-prevent-mass-shootings.449611/page-71#post-12652291
Pretending, faking, and changing the subject is all these people have.
See?Again, where is the explaination of "well regulated"?
One individual at each of them...No, it takes one demented individual.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.There is no reason to fear guns...
They can do nothing on their own
Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
Really.
So one guy did Aurora, and Columbine, and Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Virginia Tech, and Newtown, and Webster, and Luby's, and Oakland, and Las Vegas, and Powell, and all those other shootings. After shooting himself dead multiple times under multiple names.
Life in Duh Bubble....
One individual at each of them...No, it takes one demented individual.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
Really.
So one guy did Aurora, and Columbine, and Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Virginia Tech, and Newtown, and Webster, and Luby's, and Oakland, and Las Vegas, and Powell, and all those other shootings. After shooting himself dead multiple times under multiple names.
Life in Duh Bubble....
I detect a deflectionOne individual at each of them...No, it takes one demented individual.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
Really.
So one guy did Aurora, and Columbine, and Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Virginia Tech, and Newtown, and Webster, and Luby's, and Oakland, and Las Vegas, and Powell, and all those other shootings. After shooting himself dead multiple times under multiple names.
Life in Duh Bubble....
Right. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
There's no pattern there though.
I detect a deflectionOne individual at each of them...No, it takes one demented individual.It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
Really.
So one guy did Aurora, and Columbine, and Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Virginia Tech, and Newtown, and Webster, and Luby's, and Oakland, and Las Vegas, and Powell, and all those other shootings. After shooting himself dead multiple times under multiple names.
Life in Duh Bubble....
Right. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
There's no pattern there though.
You said it...I detect a deflectionOne individual at each of them...No, it takes one demented individual.
Really.
So one guy did Aurora, and Columbine, and Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Virginia Tech, and Newtown, and Webster, and Luby's, and Oakland, and Las Vegas, and Powell, and all those other shootings. After shooting himself dead multiple times under multiple names.
Life in Duh Bubble....
Right. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
There's no pattern there though.
The first step is to admit you have a problem.
I see you're not ready for that first step.
Take your time. We got plenty of guns and plenty of targets. To amuse ourselves with that, you know, non-pattern thingy.
Thanks for playin'.
Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.There is no reason to fear guns...Under existing socio/psychological circumstances your scenarios are readily predictable -- mainly because armed citizens are the exception rather than the rule and those who are armed are pre-consciously confident that their antagonist and potentially helpful bystanders are not. While I'm not saying occasional road-rage shootings will not occur in an armed society I am confident they will be few and far between. Because potential shooters will have cause to think twice before acting.
What I'm saying is the imposition of myriad gun laws has had a profound effect on the collective psychology of Americans. It has caused a significant percentage of the population to fear and despise guns. It has divorced them from the reality that guns are an essential component of the American spirit.
I can't agree with either of the points in the second paragraph. I see no basis to support the idea that gun laws create fear and loathing of guns by anybody. Rather, the abuse of them in mass shootings does that. Nor can I agree that "guns are an essential component of the American spirit". That's been true historically but not necessarily. That is, it's not something that needs to continue, or ever needed to be there before, in order to perpetuate the concept of "America".
If it were possible to assuredly eliminate the existence of guns in the hands of ordinary citizens without imposing the most aggressively totalitarian, brutally unConstitutional methods, the arguments of gun-control advocates might make sense. But the fact is gun-control laws within a Constitutionally free society disarm only the law-abiding and the sane.
So you have only two choices. Do you wish to live in an armed but free society or in an unarmed totalitarian society? As we have become painfully aware, the in-between option isn't working.
Again I disagree that these are the only two choices. The preferable choice, not listed above, would be a free society that is unarmed voluntarily. And that has nothing to do with passing laws.
They can do nothing on their own
Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.There is no reason to fear guns...I can't agree with either of the points in the second paragraph. I see no basis to support the idea that gun laws create fear and loathing of guns by anybody. Rather, the abuse of them in mass shootings does that. Nor can I agree that "guns are an essential component of the American spirit". That's been true historically but not necessarily. That is, it's not something that needs to continue, or ever needed to be there before, in order to perpetuate the concept of "America".
Again I disagree that these are the only two choices. The preferable choice, not listed above, would be a free society that is unarmed voluntarily. And that has nothing to do with passing laws.
They can do nothing on their own
Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.There is no reason to fear guns...
They can do nothing on their own
Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
DUMBEST
POST
EVER
No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.Quite true.
If they remained on their own, there'd be no problem. And neither this thread, nor the issue it addresses, would exist.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
DUMBEST
POST
EVER
You're not paying attention, Spanky. I said gun laws have no effect on crime. They may have fewer gun crimes, but the overall number of crimes remains unchanged. But you go right on blaming the gun. That's what stupid people do. BTW. Would it make you feel any better if a murderer pushed someone out the window instead of shooting them?No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
DUMBEST
POST
EVER
They have tough gun laws in Europe and very few gun crimes. Obviously gun laws do work.
What they don't have is a counter productive second amendment keeping the spigot open.
You're not paying attention, Spanky. I said gun laws have no effect on crime. They may have fewer gun crimes, but the overall number of crimes remains unchanged. But you go right on blaming the gun. That's what stupid people do. BTW. Would it make you feel any better if a murderer pushed someone out the window instead of shooting them?No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
DUMBEST
POST
EVER
They have tough gun laws in Europe and very few gun crimes. Obviously gun laws do work.
What they don't have is a counter productive second amendment keeping the spigot open.
It would help if you could provide statistics that refute what I said. Since you can't, you are left with nothing but insults. Typical liberal response. Here's the data from the CDC that backs up my statement. What do you have? Probably nothing. Because you're an idiot liberal troll.You're not paying attention, Spanky. I said gun laws have no effect on crime. They may have fewer gun crimes, but the overall number of crimes remains unchanged. But you go right on blaming the gun. That's what stupid people do. BTW. Would it make you feel any better if a murderer pushed someone out the window instead of shooting them?No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.
DUMBEST
POST
EVER
They have tough gun laws in Europe and very few gun crimes. Obviously gun laws do work.
What they don't have is a counter productive second amendment keeping the spigot open.
It would make me feel better if you could craft an argument that made sense. Watch out for them drive-by pushing. LOL
CornholioNo. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.Guns are not the problem. It is a proven fact that gun laws have no effect on crime. Even if you confiscated every gun in America, it would have no effect on the number of people killed. All it would do is force criminals to find other ways to kill. A knife will kill you just as easily as a gun. Many people could kill with a club, or even their bare hands. There are, after all, a thousand ways to die. There is only one reason that people are murdered. It is the result of human intent. Until you address that, which is the direct result of our Godless society, nothing will change.It takes a person to kill, and a village in Chicago's case, black on black crime.
It takes a culture of gun fetishism to come up with epidemics of mass shootings.
Which, once again, is the topic.
DUMBEST
POST
EVER
They have tough gun laws in Europe and very few gun crimes. Obviously gun laws do work.
What they don't have is a counter productive second amendment keeping the spigot open.
It would help if you could provide statistics that refute what I said. Since you can't, you are left with nothing but insults. Typical liberal response. Here's the data from the CDC that backs up my statement. What do you have? Probably nothing. Because you're an idiot liberal troll.You're not paying attention, Spanky. I said gun laws have no effect on crime. They may have fewer gun crimes, but the overall number of crimes remains unchanged. But you go right on blaming the gun. That's what stupid people do. BTW. Would it make you feel any better if a murderer pushed someone out the window instead of shooting them?No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.DUMBEST
POST
EVER
They have tough gun laws in Europe and very few gun crimes. Obviously gun laws do work.
What they don't have is a counter productive second amendment keeping the spigot open.
It would make me feel better if you could craft an argument that made sense. Watch out for them drive-by pushing. LOL
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws
CornholioIt would help if you could provide statistics that refute what I said. Since you can't, you are left with nothing but insults. Typical liberal response. Here's the data from the CDC that backs up my statement. What do you have? Probably nothing. Because you're an idiot liberal troll.You're not paying attention, Spanky. I said gun laws have no effect on crime. They may have fewer gun crimes, but the overall number of crimes remains unchanged. But you go right on blaming the gun. That's what stupid people do. BTW. Would it make you feel any better if a murderer pushed someone out the window instead of shooting them?No. Not really. You simply despise wisdom. I can back up everything I said. Statistics prove that guns laws do not affect crime one bit, and they actually INCREASE the number of shootings. These are FBI statistics. And we are a Godless society. That's why we have so many mass shootings. It's also responsible for most of the other things that are wrong with our country. You see, Jesus told us to love one another. If Americans would simply follow that one commandment We'd be a lot better off. You cannot refute any of this. OK. Go ahead and do your mocking laughter bit again. Show everyone what a fool you are.
They have tough gun laws in Europe and very few gun crimes. Obviously gun laws do work.
What they don't have is a counter productive second amendment keeping the spigot open.
It would make me feel better if you could craft an argument that made sense. Watch out for them drive-by pushing. LOL
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws
We will worry about the pushing of people out of windows when Adam Lanza can wax 26 people by doing it.
