Smoking, Trans fats, and terrorists

[manifold]

yea, well, the ninth Amendment is a pretty black and white conveyance of American liberties... Not to mention that business owners have rights and liberty to conduct business too.

Indeed, we in America probably are not required to put the same value on a hierarchy of "more worthwhile" liberty in line with your silly opinion. Of course, What is really retarded is trying to stack American liberties according to an opinion by some dipshit on the net who weighs one facet of liberty above all others. Thus, ALL liberty is worth protecting regardless if some net nutter thinks some liberty is less important than others.

I wonder if stomping a foot makes it any less ironic that marginalizing some liberties lower than others is probably the explicit point of the ninth amendment anyway. Naw... enumerated rights probably ARE more important than everything else.

When did you stop making sense?

 

[Shogun]

gosh, do you OWN that downtown crossing where you want to take a shit like a business owner does their business? If your BUSINESS were providing porta-potties whose job would it be to come in and force you to paint them all neon red because septic green/blue, statistically, leads to ecoli infections?

 

[manifold]

btw, using the public square as your own personal toilet is no way comparative to anything you've posted. Communicable diseases affect everyone not just those that choose to hang out with you.

Fine. Replace taking a crap with rubbing one out.

 

[manifold]

gosh, do you OWN that downtown crossing where you want to take a shit like a business owner does their business? If your BUSINESS were providing porta-potties whose job would it be to come in and force you to paint them all neon red because septic green/blue, statistically, leads to ecoli infections?

Do you own the restaurant where you want to be served unhealthy byproducts?

 

[Ravi]

Fine. Replace taking a crap with rubbing one out.

Same difference.

Now run along to class, junior, I just heard the bell ring.

 

[Shogun]

When did you stop making sense?

Would your gonadular fortitude increase if I quote the Ninth Amendment or would you stick to talking shit rather than debate the issue?


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Hey, maybe we just need a bellweather guide like YOU (of course) to tell us which liberties are more precious than the rest!

 

[Shogun]

Do you own the restaurant where you want to be served unhealthy byproducts?

No, I am a patron to the guy who does though. Say, who knocked your pink lunger ass out and dragged you into a smokey bar again? no one?


gotcha.

 

[Shogun]

Fine. Replace taking a crap with rubbing one out.

uh, so masterbation is a form of protected speech? Gosh, you are totally not stretching yourself thin here!

Clearly, if you cant take a shit or jack off at the corner of main st. and broadway then bar owners should not be allo0wed to accomidate patrons who partake of a legal substance! Whats more, they should all realize that liberty only means that we retain habeus corpus and is NOT applicable to anything else!

 

[manifold]

Would your gonadular fortitude increase if I quote the Ninth Amendment or would you stick to talking shit rather than debate the issue?


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Hey, maybe we just need a bellweather guide like YOU (of course) to tell us which liberties are more precious than the rest!

Strictly speaking, the government can barely do anything not explicitly laid out in the Constitution without violating the Ninth Amendment. I'm not going to argue against that. Everything from speed limits to licensing doctors technically violates the Ninth Amendment. But it's an anachronistic argument at best since it's been violated so many times as to make Jody Foster blush in the accused. You may think your refusal to make a value judgement about personal freedoms makes you some enlightened, philosophical sage, but the truth is it makes you a self-important shit-for-brains unwilling to "reduce" yourself to the realm of the pragmatic.

 

[manifold]

uh, so masterbation is a form of protected speech? Gosh, you are totally not stretching yourself thin here!

Clearly, if you cant take a shit or jack off at the corner of main st. and broadway then bar owners should not be allo0wed to accomidate patrons who partake of a legal substance! Whats more, they should all realize that liberty only means that we retain habeus corpus and is NOT applicable to anything else!

Nice spin. Tony Snow would be proud.

 

[Ravi]

Strictly speaking, the government can barely do anything not explicitly laid out in the Constitution without violating the Ninth Amendment. I'm not going to argue against that. Everything from speed limits to licensing doctors technically violates the Ninth Amendment. But it's an anachronistic argument at best since it's been violated so many times as to make Jody Foster blush in the accused. You may think your refusal to make a value judgement about personal freedoms makes you some enlightened, philosophical sage, but the truth is it makes you a self-important shit-for-brains unwilling to "reduce" yourself to the realm of the pragmatic.

But the government can act to protect the public welfare. Speed limits and licensing doctors falls into that category. Not allowing a bar owner to own an establishment to partake in a legal activity does not.

 

[manifold]

But the government can act to protect the public welfare. Speed limits and licensing doctors falls into that category. Not allowing a bar owner to own an establishment to partake in a legal activity does not.

There is considerable disagreement about the impact of smoke and trans fats on the welfare of the public. Right or wrong, I believe that was among the material reasons given for the bans.

 

[Shogun]

Strictly speaking, the government can barely do anything not explicitly laid out in the Constitution without violating the Ninth Amendment. I'm not going to argue against that. Everything from speed limits to licensing doctors technically violates the Ninth Amendment. But it's an anachronistic argument at best since it's been violated so many times as to make Jody Foster blush in the accused. You may think your refusal to make a value judgement about personal freedoms makes you some enlightened, philosophical sage, but the truth is it makes you a self-important shit-for-brains unwilling to "reduce" yourself to the realm of the pragmatic.

I take it you would rather sling shit than form a worthwhile argument against the ninth amendment? After all, far be it for me to point out that speeding and practicing medicine are both illegal while smoking is not... Both of which are also a bit more tangible than projected estimates no less.


I'm not impressed by your tantrum-heavy foot stomping. I doubt many people are.


Like I said, it's liberals like you who give liberals like me a reason to keep you at a distance.


The next time a smoker forces you into a smokey bar you be sure to remember that at least you still have habeas corpus.

 

[Gunny]

Ok fair enough. You score points on a technicality, but nothing for materiality. Try not to hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

I'm not looking to score points nor pat myself on the back. I WAS looking for a decent conversation. It appears one is not to be had.

 

[Ravi]

There is considerable disagreement about the impact of smoke and trans fats on the welfare of the public. Right or wrong, I believe that was among the material reasons given for the bans.

Doesn't matter. One can choose to work in the bar or enter the bar. It's a bit harder to avoid cars and doctors.

 

[Shogun]

Nice spin. Tony Snow would be proud.

Don't shed a tear because you can't keep up beyond slinging shit, dude. If you had something worthwhile to say then maybe you'd post it instead of the lame ad hominems.



and, if Tony Snow appriciates the entire spectrum of liberty, rather than one facet that some internet cocksheeth is a fanboi of, then I'm sure he would approve. Not that Tony is any less of an American than you are..

 

[manifold]

No, I am a patron to the guy who does though. Say, who knocked your pink lunger ass out and dragged you into a smokey bar again? no one?


gotcha.

Right. That is why I opposed the ban. Unnecessary intrusion on the free market. But not a violation of my constitutional rights. And while I've already conceded the point that "technically" any government regulation can be classified as an infringement on personal freedoms, this one doesn't come close to meeting any materiality threshold of the reasonably sane...IMO.

 

[Ravi]

Like I said, it's liberals like you who give liberals like me a reason to keep you at a distance.

Just a thought, maybe he's a Progressive. They are usually the ones that wish to make laws to protect you from yourself. Not liberals.

 

[Shogun]

There is considerable disagreement about the impact of smoke and trans fats on the welfare of the public. Right or wrong, I believe that was among the material reasons given for the bans.

oh yea!

yearly drunk driving fatalities, malpractice and PROJECTED ESTIMATES are all on par with each other in the "public risk" department!




I tellya, there is a fucking SCOURGE of dead bartenders falling out with cancer! If we don't protect those darn smokers from themselves then WHO ELSE WILL DO IT?!?!?


pink lungers deserve a kick in the teeth. Like I've said, no one drags your pussy ass into a smokey bar so shut the fuck up and make better choices when deciding where to spend your dollars. We smokers will do the same and laugh when your kind are stick scratching their heads as to why banning tobacco products leads to decreased patronage.

 

[manifold]

I take it you would rather sling shit than form a worthwhile argument against the ninth amendment? After all, far be it for me to point out that speeding and practicing medicine are both illegal while smoking is not... Both of which are also a bit more tangible than projected estimates no less.


I'm not impressed by your tantrum-heavy foot stomping. I doubt many people are.


Like I said, it's liberals like you who give liberals like me a reason to keep you at a distance.


The next time a smoker forces you into a smokey bar you be sure to remember that at least you still have habeas corpus.

There is no worthwhile argument against the Ninth Amendment. Or at least I've never heard one.

I do find it interesting that you'd be so pissed off about your freedom to kick back in a smokey bar being taken away, regardless of whether it's for the greater good, but also argue in favor of taking one person's money to pay for another's healthcare because it is for the greater good. Your hypocrisy is mind-numbing. You are no liberal, you're a self-serving socialist who smokes.