Slavery: A Racial or An Economic System?

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1.Slavery was a societal response to a need for labor. And it was rarely a system based on race.


“There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his.”
Helen Keller



2.“It is surely true that slavery was less common among primitive man than among the societies that arose after the agricultural revolution….because primitive man was so much poorer.

Slaves are a very large expense for nomadic bands. Guarding an enemy who doesn’t want to be part of the group is costly and dangerous.

Children can be taken in as assets- a common practice n many primitive societies, notably among American Indians- and women can be forced into marriage, very often a kind of slavery. But captured warriors from another tribe are a liability. Better to kill them, often theatrically…..

After the agricultural revolution, roughly 11,000 years ago, slavery emerges almost everywhere. The most ancient texts make reference to it. The Bible takes it as a given in human affairs.

The Code of Hammurabi says that freeing a slave is a crime punishable by death. There are records of slavery in China going back to 1800 B.C.”
Jonah Goldberg, “Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Tribalism, Populism, Nationalism, and Identity Politics is Destroying American Democracy,” p. 33



3.Thomas Sowell, in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals,”p.113, explains why Americans see the institution as primarily racial, and why our educational system is largely to blame.

Karl Marx used the concept to his advantage: “Similarities between wage labor and slavery were noted as early as Cicero in Ancient Rome, such as in De Officiis.[11] With the advent of the Industrial Revolution, thinkers such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx elaborated the comparison between wage labor and slavery…” Wage slavery - Wikipedia

Parenthetically, if government schools did not perpetuate the racial aspects of slavery in America, the Democrat Party would lose a huge voting block.




4.Slavery as a racial institution was a stain on America’s noble history….but the crime has been paid for, in blood:

"At least 620,000 combatants died during the four-year struggle; recent estimates put the total closer to 750,000, or more than 2 percent of the nation’s population at that time. More soldiers died in prison camps alone than America lost during the entire Vietnam War. Perhaps more to the point, some 350,000 Union soldiers died during the conflict, abolitionists in effect if not always in intent. Adjusted for population, that would amount to almost 5 million service deaths today, amounting to a blood sacrifice more than sufficient to redeem whatever moral or intellectual inconsistencies there are to be found in America’s founding documents.

And if that’s not sufficient? Well, then, nothing will be. But for most Americans—and for much of the rest of the world—it is more than enough. "
Blood Redemption



But it was not the Civil War that ended the institution of slavery…it was capitalism.


Next.
 
Slavery was clearly an economic system, it was actually akin to people hiring illegals today. (Cheap labor)

In most cases it was a business, one where slaves amassed wealth for the slave master.

Slavers couldn't possibly have been real Nationalist Racists, if so how did they bring in Blacks into their own country, and even sometimes rape Black women?

Clearly not Racist in the way I've come to know them.
 
Slavery was clearly an economic system, it was actually akin to people hiring illegals today. (Cheap labor)

In most cases it was a business, one where slaves amassed wealth for the slave master.

Slavers couldn't possibly have been real Nationalist Racists, if so how did they bring in Blacks into their own country, and even sometimes rape Black women?

Clearly not Racist in the way I've come to know them.
Must be less efficient than liberty and equality, when it really really matters.
 
5. And capitalism, a far better system, ended slavery.


“The fact is that slavery disappeared only as industrial capitalism emerged. And it disappeared first where industrial capitalism appeared first: Great Britain. This was no coincidence. Slavery was destroyed by capitalism.

To begin with, the ethical and political principles that support capitalism are inconsistent with slavery. As we Americans discovered, a belief in the universal dignity of human beings, their equality before the law, and their right to govern their own lives cannot long coexist with an institution that condemns some people to bondage merely because of their identity.

But even on purely economic grounds, capitalism rejects slavery because slaves are productive only when doing very simple tasks that can easily be monitored.

Much better to have contented employees who want their jobs — who are paid to work and who want to work — than to operate your expensive, complicated, easily sabotaged factory with slaves.” Capitalism & slavery
 
1.Slavery was a societal response to a need for labor. And it was rarely a system based on race.


“There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his.”
Helen Keller



2.“It is surely true that slavery was less common among primitive man than among the societies that arose after the agricultural revolution….because primitive man was so much poorer.

Slaves are a very large expense for nomadic bands. Guarding an enemy who doesn’t want to be part of the group is costly and dangerous.

Children can be taken in as assets- a common practice n many primitive societies, notably among American Indians- and women can be forced into marriage, very often a kind of slavery. But captured warriors from another tribe are a liability. Better to kill them, often theatrically…..

After the agricultural revolution, roughly 11,000 years ago, slavery emerges almost everywhere. The most ancient texts make reference to it. The Bible takes it as a given in human affairs.

The Code of Hammurabi says that freeing a slave is a crime punishable by death. There are records of slavery in China going back to 1800 B.C.”
Jonah Goldberg, “Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Tribalism, Populism, Nationalism, and Identity Politics is Destroying American Democracy,” p. 33



3.Thomas Sowell, in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals,”p.113, explains why Americans see the institution as primarily racial, and why our educational system is largely to blame.

Karl Marx used the concept to his advantage: “Similarities between wage labor and slavery were noted as early as Cicero in Ancient Rome, such as in De Officiis.[11] With the advent of the Industrial Revolution, thinkers such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx elaborated the comparison between wage labor and slavery…” Wage slavery - Wikipedia

Parenthetically, if government schools did not perpetuate the racial aspects of slavery in America, the Democrat Party would lose a huge voting block.




4.Slavery as a racial institution was a stain on America’s noble history….but the crime has been paid for, in blood:

"At least 620,000 combatants died during the four-year struggle; recent estimates put the total closer to 750,000, or more than 2 percent of the nation’s population at that time. More soldiers died in prison camps alone than America lost during the entire Vietnam War. Perhaps more to the point, some 350,000 Union soldiers died during the conflict, abolitionists in effect if not always in intent. Adjusted for population, that would amount to almost 5 million service deaths today, amounting to a blood sacrifice more than sufficient to redeem whatever moral or intellectual inconsistencies there are to be found in America’s founding documents.

And if that’s not sufficient? Well, then, nothing will be. But for most Americans—and for much of the rest of the world—it is more than enough. "
Blood Redemption



But it was not the Civil War that ended the institution of slavery…it was capitalism.


Next.
Slavery means having to fit in to American society without showing your ass.
 
The way we can tell it was all about economics and not racism is by looking at how black people were embraced and welcomed into free society in the days following the end of the war.
 
It was economic as well as racial, in America. That's such an inane choice of topic....its just a tautology.
 
The way we can tell it was all about economics and not racism is by looking at how black people were embraced and welcomed into free society in the days following the end of the war.
This post is self defeating. If race was not a component, then how did it become notable that "blacks" were embraced.
 
5. And capitalism, a far better system, ended slavery.


“The fact is that slavery disappeared only as industrial capitalism emerged. And it disappeared first where industrial capitalism appeared first: Great Britain. This was no coincidence. Slavery was destroyed by capitalism.

To begin with, the ethical and political principles that support capitalism are inconsistent with slavery. As we Americans discovered, a belief in the universal dignity of human beings, their equality before the law, and their right to govern their own lives cannot long coexist with an institution that condemns some people to bondage merely because of their identity.

But even on purely economic grounds, capitalism rejects slavery because slaves are productive only when doing very simple tasks that can easily be monitored.

Much better to have contented employees who want their jobs — who are paid to work and who want to work — than to operate your expensive, complicated, easily sabotaged factory with slaves.” Capitalism & slavery
Let's not give Capitalism too much credit as the Good Guy here.

Much better to have contented employees who want their jobs — who are paid to work and who want to work — than to operate your expensive, complicated, easily sabotaged factory with slaves.”

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Left - Furman Owens, 12 years old. Can't read. Doesn't know his A,B,C's. Said, "Yes I want to learn but can't when I work all the time." Been in the mills 4 years, 3 years in the Olympia Mill. Columbia, South Carolina. Mid - Adolescent girls from Bibb Mfg. Co. in Macon, Georgia. Right - Doffer boys. Macon, Georgia.

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5. And capitalism, a far better system, ended slavery.


“The fact is that slavery disappeared only as industrial capitalism emerged. And it disappeared first where industrial capitalism appeared first: Great Britain. This was no coincidence. Slavery was destroyed by capitalism.

To begin with, the ethical and political principles that support capitalism are inconsistent with slavery. As we Americans discovered, a belief in the universal dignity of human beings, their equality before the law, and their right to govern their own lives cannot long coexist with an institution that condemns some people to bondage merely because of their identity.

But even on purely economic grounds, capitalism rejects slavery because slaves are productive only when doing very simple tasks that can easily be monitored.

Much better to have contented employees who want their jobs — who are paid to work and who want to work — than to operate your expensive, complicated, easily sabotaged factory with slaves.” Capitalism & slavery
In the US, socialism had to settle the issue.
 
The way we can tell it was all about economics and not racism is by looking at how black people were embraced and welcomed into free society in the days following the end of the war.


What's really funny is that you don't know how true that actually is.

Unfortunately, now I have to make you look like a dunce, again.


  1. When Obama, or other politicians, appeal for the black vote, it is on the basis of felt grievances and presumed oppression. It is a worthy pursuit to seek the explanation for this view among a large segment of black population. It wasn’t the result of the slavery and/or the Civil War.
  2. "It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived." Coulter
  3. In fact, black Americans were doing better in individual pursuits than many immigrants. Barone compared their American journey to the Irish: “Both rise smartly in hierarchies (government bureaucracies, the military) but haven't fared as well in free-market commerce.” http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/941114/archive_013670.htm


  1. “Like members of outsider groups before and since, this African-American elite considered education to be the key to full citizenship. They also embraced values of character and responsibility….Gains in terms of entrepreneurship, finding a trade, finding a profession, setting down roots, buying property, and feeling they were at last becoming a genuine part of city life. They would refer to ‘color-phobia’ as ‘fast disappearing in our city.’…Peterson's great grandfather owned a pharmacy in a largely Irish neighborhood. ” "Black Gotham," by University of Maryland Professor Carla Peterson.
 
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6. Government school has an interest in perpetuating the myth that government ended slavery. Any who accept that lie fail to understand the different motivations behind individualism….the idea of our Founders, ....and collectivism, the basis of Nazism, Communism, Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism....all represent slavery of the collective.


Private property rights, ownership rights of individuals, the basis of capitalism, are synonymous with both liberty and with prosperity. A society without private property rights would be based on slavery or feudalism.
“…there are four great blessings that cannot easily be realized in a society that lacks the secure, decentralized, private ownership: liberty, justice, peace, and prosperity….Leon Trotsky long ago pointed out that where there is no private ownership, individuals can be bent to the will of the state.”
Bethell, “The Noblest Triumph,” p.9
 
1.Slavery was a societal response to a need for labor. And it was rarely a system based on race.


“There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his.”
Helen Keller



2.“It is surely true that slavery was less common among primitive man than among the societies that arose after the agricultural revolution….because primitive man was so much poorer.

Slaves are a very large expense for nomadic bands. Guarding an enemy who doesn’t want to be part of the group is costly and dangerous.

Children can be taken in as assets- a common practice n many primitive societies, notably among American Indians- and women can be forced into marriage, very often a kind of slavery. But captured warriors from another tribe are a liability. Better to kill them, often theatrically…..

After the agricultural revolution, roughly 11,000 years ago, slavery emerges almost everywhere. The most ancient texts make reference to it. The Bible takes it as a given in human affairs.

The Code of Hammurabi says that freeing a slave is a crime punishable by death. There are records of slavery in China going back to 1800 B.C.”
Jonah Goldberg, “Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Tribalism, Populism, Nationalism, and Identity Politics is Destroying American Democracy,” p. 33



3.Thomas Sowell, in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals,”p.113, explains why Americans see the institution as primarily racial, and why our educational system is largely to blame.

Karl Marx used the concept to his advantage: “Similarities between wage labor and slavery were noted as early as Cicero in Ancient Rome, such as in De Officiis.[11] With the advent of the Industrial Revolution, thinkers such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx elaborated the comparison between wage labor and slavery…” Wage slavery - Wikipedia

Parenthetically, if government schools did not perpetuate the racial aspects of slavery in America, the Democrat Party would lose a huge voting block.




4.Slavery as a racial institution was a stain on America’s noble history….but the crime has been paid for, in blood:

"At least 620,000 combatants died during the four-year struggle; recent estimates put the total closer to 750,000, or more than 2 percent of the nation’s population at that time. More soldiers died in prison camps alone than America lost during the entire Vietnam War. Perhaps more to the point, some 350,000 Union soldiers died during the conflict, abolitionists in effect if not always in intent. Adjusted for population, that would amount to almost 5 million service deaths today, amounting to a blood sacrifice more than sufficient to redeem whatever moral or intellectual inconsistencies there are to be found in America’s founding documents.

And if that’s not sufficient? Well, then, nothing will be. But for most Americans—and for much of the rest of the world—it is more than enough. "
Blood Redemption



But it was not the Civil War that ended the institution of slavery…it was capitalism.


Next.

Slavery is an economic model.

Biblically, slavery was more in the lines of an indentured servant. There were laws protecting slaves on how they could be treated and each slave had to Sabbath off and had to be released in 7 years time. Slavery was a way to help down and out people obtain a work for food and shelter program while planning for how to get up on their feet once released in the 7 years time. Biblical slavery had nothing to do with race. In fact, the "stranger" was commanded to be welcomed and was free to become one of the Hebrew nation, no matter where they were from.

Turn the clock forward on slavery in the deep South in the 1800's, and it was still an economic system, with many variances. Slavery was based upon race and there was a reason for that. Plantation owners wanted a big population of slaves that would never be depleted. They also wanted to treat them as they liked, which meant killing them was no big deal. They had no days off and could never obtain their freedom. To justify this morally, they needed to perform some mental gymnastics by trying to convince everyone that Blacks were nothing more than a glorified ape.

So in comparison to the two forms of slavery, it is obvious that the Biblical slavery was necessary for survival, as where the slavery in the Deep South was based upon pure greed, however, both were based upon economics.
 
dred scott
segregation laws


NEVER happened guys. Nevaa


Let's leave the Democrat Party out of it......for the moment.

Leave the Dims out of the conversation? Why it was they who fought to keep slavery.

Dims wish to stoke the flames of race every opportunity they get. Without racial division, they are toast politically.

It has worked well for them. Even though Eike, a GOP President wished to usher in the Civil Rights movement, LBJ successfully got it passed, hence the Dims were able to create a block vote as they convinced blacks that the DNC was their party and the GOP was the KKK, even though the KKK was founded by Dims.

Now Blacks just keep electing Dims and live in squalor. Under Obama, Blacks had the highest rate of unemployment in a long time and racial division increased exponentially. Now under Trump, Blacks have the lowest unemployment in US history, yet I doubt they will ever give him credit.
 
dred scott
segregation laws


NEVER happened guys. Nevaa


Let's leave the Democrat Party out of it......for the moment.

Leave the Dims out of the conversation? Why it was they who fought to keep slavery.

Dims wish to stoke the flames of race every opportunity they get. Without racial division, they are toast politically.

It has worked well for them. Even though Eike, a GOP President wished to usher in the Civil Rights movement, LBJ successfully got it passed, hence the Dims were able to create a block vote as they convinced blacks that the DNC was their party and the GOP was the KKK, even though the KKK was founded by Dims.

Now Blacks just keep electing Dims and live in squalor. Under Obama, Blacks had the highest rate of unemployment in a long time and racial division increased exponentially. Now under Trump, Blacks have the lowest unemployment in US history, yet I doubt they will ever give him credit.



Take it easy.....I'll get to 'em two post from now.....
 
Yes, it was very shortsighted to bring them here. Should have left them in Africa.
 

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