dmp
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-Cp needs 'proof' before he can have 'faith'.
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-=d=- said:-Cp needs 'proof' before he can have 'faith'.
-Cp said:Really? Can you name any Christian sources as to evidence of these happenings?
Hobbit said:Tongues is real, too. Usually, it's not a language normally spoken on Earth and I do believe that at least some people who do that are either faking or delusional, but that it is real. The gift of tongues that you referred to is typically unneeded in America, as those who don't speak English can find a Spanish church in their area.
-Cp said:That's not true - faith in God has nothing to do with having faith in supposed "miracles".... If I want to see that I can watch a circus like Benny Hinn...
-=d=- said:Id Est, You want PROOF of miracles before you'll 'believe' they happen.
-Cp said:Okay - gonna move this topic over here as to not hijack the <a href="http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=310898#post310898" target=_blank">other thread</a>.
Who here thinks that "Signs and Wonders" / All the gifts of the Spirit / tongues / etc are stell relevant for today..
I for one, do not...
Bonnie said:Miracles happen everyday some subtle, some very apparent, could it be that we have grown so cynical we don't see them anymore?
My family and I have experienced one very extraordinary miracle of supernatural origin, and many important subtle ones that someone who didn't have faith might call coincidences.
When someone comes out of a coma after 10 or more years that is certainly a miracle, not quite Lazarus walking on the third day but just as significant. When a person is stranded at sea with just a life jacket and after a few days there happens to be a plane that spots them just in time you will more often than not hear them say they prayed for the first time in their lives for a miracle and then heard the plane or ship coming....Faith is what seperates that from being coincidence or miracle.
-Cp said:I would, however, love to see documented cases from folks who claim God still does the same kinds of "big miracles" today - e.g. Someone raised from the dead, deaf person healed, blindness healed or a new limb grown..
colehart said:Those examples you described are not miraculous(in my opinion). If a limb, arm/leg were to be missing and the next morning it suddenly appeared as if it were never missing. That's a miracle!
-=d=- said:Translation:
In order for me to believe in Miracles today, I need to see proof.
-Cp said:Dude.. please.. stop trying to put words in my mouth and it'd be good as well to actually read some of my posts..
I Have never once said "I don't believe in miracles" - what I have question is whether or not God still works the same ways today as he did in the Bible with "signs and wonders" of things of the magnitude of:
1. Raising the Dead
2. Growing new limbs on a person's body
3. Healing the blind
4. Healing the deaf
I just find it odd that the only types of "miracles" we hear about are ones that take place on the inner parts of one's body, and nothing that'd be overtly obvious as what happened in the days of the Apostles..
-=d=- said:You are now arguing semantics. You clearly do NOT believe Miracles happen today, as they did in Biblical days. You are asking for PROOF miracles happen today, as they did in Biblical days. You have clearly stated that apart from PROOF of the occurances, you won't believe they exist.
Why do you have a problem with that? If you don't have the faith to believe God still raises people from the dead, or grows new limbs on them, sobeit. That's your call.
-Cp said:Your statements seem to imply that God is bound by whether or not I have Faith for those things to happen....
colehart said:Those examples you described are not miraculous(in my opinion). If a limb, arm/leg were to be missing and the next morning it suddenly appeared as if it were never missing. That's a miracle! Another example of what I would call a miracle would be if a person died and had be dead for several days and people prayed for their life to be restored, that's a miracle! Other than those types of things, I'm not a believer in modern day miracles.
-=d=- said:for me, getting some action from my wife is a miracle.
:-/
-Cp said:Great post Eightball - but what does that have to do w/ the "Miracles" in question on this thread?