Truthmatters
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Some idiots dont realize that government is what the founders left us.
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No. Don't raise it. It's called a ceiling for a reason, we're not supposed to go through it.
I would love to see a nasty showdown on the Hill about this. It'll separate the men from the boys. We'll see understands it all and who's really serious about this.
The Sad truth is if they do not raise it, there will be big problems.
Some idiots dont realize that government is what the founders left us.
a lot happened. the economy crashed and unemployment went up which cut revenues. but that was on top of running two wars while cutting taxes for the first time in history.
now they refuse to restore taxes and want to use the deficit as a reason to destroy the new deal programs that they've hated since their inception.
So, in essence, you're saying that the middle class has to thank the government? .
Well according to Hacky Reid. Americans love government
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Just which Americans is he talking about?
All of them.
Bullshit.
Primitive governments had nothing to do with "Borders or international relations".
Our government did...from day 1.
and that is all you had to say about my post?
Make reference to primitive governments?
I thoiught this debate was about the US government.
Seriously?
That was part of what our government did.
They also cleared forests, built roads, explored new territory, offered land and help to people who wanted to settle in under populated areas and that's basically just the beginning.
If you actually read the Constitution:
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Those are VERY BROAD AND CENTRALIZED powers.
-Collect Taxes.
-Provide for the Common Defense.
-Provide for the General Welfare.
Exactly what every government since the beginning of time does. If it does not..it fails quickly.
Some idiots dont realize that government is what the founders left us.
they really live in a fantsy land
Please explain.
As for me..no, do not raise the debt ceiling.
Cut back spending...including SS and medicare overhauls.
We, as Americans, must learn toi suffer for our selfish actions of the past and present...and stop putting the burden of our actions on future generations.
We need to suffer the pains of struggling so we can learn from the actions that got us here.
I am already...and I blame no one but myself...my greed...my desire to have my money make money for me....my desire for the better things in life..
SO yes, I am suffering...and I am OK with it...and I have learned from it.
And to explain...I carved out a high life style for myself and my family.....well, now, I still have those possessions buy not the income to support them...but my income is still above the 250 mark, so I get nada as it pertins to assiatance....so I am struggling to meet my debt...
But I deserve it and learned from it....and I am doing what I need to do to meet my obligatrions.
All of us should....
Some idiots dont realize that government is what the founders left us.
the government we have today is NOT the government the founders left us but rather a bloated, mutated, bastardized abomination.
And the government the founders left us was DESIGNED to grow with the changing American needs and wishes.
They just want to pretend it was NEVER supposed to change from the original document.
IT WAS FUCKING DESIGNED FOR US TO CHANGE AS NEEDED
Thats a good debate for the congress to have. Problem is..they won't have it.
And shutting down the government, as the Republicans want to do..is not that debate.
The Dems don't want it either. How many democratic congressmen do you know of that want to close bases in Europe and Asia? How many are willing to have a discussion about real social security reform? How about ending bailouts? Cutting back entitlement programs? It takes people getting used to the fact that America can't live high on the hog and damn more. We just don't have the money.
We had money, once. Where did it go and why?
What libs fail to comprehend is that it says general welfare, not individual welfare. When the framers talked about general welfare, they were talking about the welfare of everyone, not some plan to feed and house the lazy.Bullshit.
Primitive governments had nothing to do with "Borders or international relations".
Our government did...from day 1.
and that is all you had to say about my post?
Make reference to primitive governments?
I thoiught this debate was about the US government.
Seriously?
That was part of what our government did.
They also cleared forests, built roads, explored new territory, offered land and help to people who wanted to settle in under populated areas and that's basically just the beginning.
If you actually read the Constitution:
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Those are VERY BROAD AND CENTRALIZED powers.
-Collect Taxes.
-Provide for the Common Defense.
-Provide for the General Welfare.
Exactly what every government since the beginning of time does. If it does not..it fails quickly.
And the government the founders left us was DESIGNED to grow with the changing American needs and wishes.
They just want to pretend it was NEVER supposed to change from the original document.
IT WAS FUCKING DESIGNED FOR US TO CHANGE AS NEEDED
I wonder how many of the self-professed strict constitutionalists would prefer to live back in the day without the conveniences of modern day life like electricity, running water, and air conditioning?