chikenwing
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- Feb 18, 2010
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NO!! HELL NO!!
This is an easy one
This is an easy one
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Some idiots dont realize that government is what the founders left us.
the government we have today is NOT the government the founders left us but rather a bloated, mutated, bastardized abomination.
Well yeah, back in the day when all we were were a nation of 13 loosely associated colonies with a population of a couple of million and an mostly agarian society.
But here we are today with a massive empire to maintain and a government that has grown exponentially along with a diverse population of over 300 million.
Things change.
And the government the founders left us was DESIGNED to grow with the changing American needs and wishes.
They just want to pretend it was NEVER supposed to change from the original document.
IT WAS FUCKING DESIGNED FOR US TO CHANGE AS NEEDED
I wonder how many of the self-professed strict constitutionalists would prefer to live back in the day without the conveniences of modern day life like elctricity, running water, and air conditioning?
And the government the founders left us was DESIGNED to grow with the changing American needs and wishes.
They just want to pretend it was NEVER supposed to change from the original document.
IT WAS FUCKING DESIGNED FOR US TO CHANGE AS NEEDED
I wonder how many of the self-professed strict constitutionalists would prefer to live back in the day without the conveniences of modern day life like elctricity, running water, and air conditioning?
That's a non argument.
How about we just live back in the day where the fucking federal government In didn't eat up more than 20% of GDP?
Raise it to 14.8...which will carry till about June.
Then cut, cut, cut...beginning with Social Security...massive cuts in SS...not what it is as retirement income for seniors, but the other 42 plans that drains the system that has paid for more than one vacation home/new car/boat/RV for many a people that abuse the system.
Then the Department of Education...then...
I wonder how many of the self-professed strict constitutionalists would prefer to live back in the day without the conveniences of modern day life like elctricity, running water, and air conditioning?
That's a non argument.
How about we just live back in the day where the fucking federal government In didn't eat up more than 20% of GDP?
Federal spending hasn't been less than 20% of GDP since the thirties.
US Government Spending As Percent Of GDP in United States 1903-2010 - Federal State Local
I wonder how many of the self-professed strict constitutionalists would prefer to live back in the day without the conveniences of modern day life like elctricity, running water, and air conditioning?
That's a non argument.
How about we just live back in the day where the fucking federal government In didn't eat up more than 20% of GDP?
Federal spending hasn't been less than 20% of GDP since the thirties.
US Government Spending As Percent Of GDP in United States 1903-2010 - Federal State Local
US GDP in 2009 = $14,624,184B
The President's budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion
Largely agree but the devil is in the details and packaging is important.So don't default, just cut spending asap. Force the new teabaggers and GOP to cut spending on a fast track.
Whatever short term problems that would arise still pale compared to the unfunded liabilities crisis that is right around the corner.
Austerity now. Before it is thrust upon us in a sudden shock.
Fuck the financial sector! They make their living fucking us.
Largely agree but the devil is in the details and packaging is important.So don't default, just cut spending asap. Force the new teabaggers and GOP to cut spending on a fast track.
Whatever short term problems that would arise still pale compared to the unfunded liabilities crisis that is right around the corner.
Austerity now. Before it is thrust upon us in a sudden shock.
Fuck the financial sector! They make their living fucking us.
Raise social security eligibility to 70 in 2020 with early retirement at 65.
Remove the cap on payments in.
Partial means testing with SS phased out at 200K for couples.
Leave Medicare alone but start a DARPA style search for cheaper and more effective medical treatment to bring costs down.
Something like that can be sold as moderate and reasonable is more likely to pass.
We are coming to a cliff. Either we raise the debt ceiling, reduce our deficit or default on our obligations. If we continue to raise our limit, it is meaningless and we haven't leaned anything. But likewise, it could be a catastrophe.
Should we make cuts right away and apply them to the deficit so we can show the world we are serious about our debt, ganing world confidence again? Negotiate cuts to pass them right away?
Or have a showdown in Congress and with the Administration? Or take the easy route and just increase the limit. Or a combination?
Let's debate.