Should the U.S. Senate be abolished?

[Chris]

Then you disagree with the basic premises of the republic, which is as close to intellectual honesty as you have ever come, tovarich.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal....

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Then you disagree with the basic premises of the republic, which is as close to intellectual honesty as you have ever come, tovarich.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal....

And they are, in the House. The Senate was meant to represent the states, not the people. If the 17th amendment made the situation unfair then the logical conclusion should be to repeal the 17th amendment.

 

[Oddball]

Then you disagree with the basic premises of the republic, which is as close to intellectual honesty as you have ever come, tovarich.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal....

You have absolutely no idea as to the context of that passage, do you??

 

[Intense]

Does anybody want to discuss the concept " The One, The Few, and The Many". Ring any bells.

" The King, the House of Lords, and the House of Commons.

The President, The Senate, and The House of Representatives.

The President -Executive and Power in One Person. Single Voice.

The Senate - Representing the Few, The Money and Power Class, through the eyes of the States. Each State having Equal Voice here.

The House - Representing Common Persons, through Chaos.

 

[Chris]

The House of Lords should be abolished as well as the monarchy.

The divine right of kings is the most ridiculous idea in Western civilization.

 

[Navy1960]

“If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution” Abraham Lincoln

"In Republics, the great danger is, that the majority may not sufficiently respect the rights of the minority" James Madison

I find it interesting to say the least that some would advocate that a body that represents the concept(s) of protecting the minority from the tyranny of a majority, would then quote things like "all men are created equal" as bedrock of our form of Govt. The author of that Thomas Jefferson had a little something to say on the subject as well...

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." Thomas Jefferson...

That is why you have a US Senate, if you want a nation without one then you want a nation that does not represent the founding principles of this nation and , do us all a favor and do not quote it's founders when advocating it's abolition.

 

[PixieStix]

many of them that are there now, should be jailed/imprisoned

As for abolishing the senate, NO. Just getting the filth that is there, out now.

 

[Intense]

Then you disagree with the basic premises of the republic, which is as close to intellectual honesty as you have ever come, tovarich.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal....

And they are, in the House. The Senate was meant to represent the states, not the people. If the 17th amendment made the situation unfair then the logical conclusion should be to repeal the 17th amendment.

The Senate was Indeed supposed to be the main defender of States Rights. That was part of Their charge. That is not what they do now. Their interest was transferred with the vote. They have effectively abandoned the States.

 

[Intense]

After all, the practical reason why, when the power is once in the hands of the people, a majority are permitted, and for a long period continue, to rule is not because they are most likely to be in the right, nor because this seems fairest to the minority, but because they are physically the strongest. But a government in which the majority rule in all cases can not be based on justice, even as far as men understand it. Can there not be a government in which the majorities do not virtually decide right and wrong, but conscience? — in which majorities decide only those questions to which the rule of expediency is applicable? Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation on conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents on injustice. -Thoueau

Henry David Thoreau: On the Duty of Civil Disobedience

 

[Mike Mitrosky]

I think the Senate should be strengthened by repealing the XVII Amendment.

Thats exactly what needs to be done.

 

[Mike Mitrosky]

The House of Lords should be abolished as well as the monarchy.

The divine right of kings is the most ridiculous idea in Western civilization.

Dont you ever feel it still sort of goes on??

George W. Bush & John Kerry are cousins

Obama is cousins with both George W. Bush & Dick Cheney.

Whats the odds of that?

 

[lawbuff]

If the Senate is abolished, it would leave a Unicameral legislative system. It will never happen nationally, no way!

Nebraska has a Senate, no House.

Oddly enough, New Hampshire has 400 House members!! WHY??? It is the 3rd or 4th largest in the English speaking world.

On a national level, if we went unicameral, I would abolish the Senate, keep the House!

 

[American Horse]

The House of Lords should be abolished as well as the monarchy.

The divine right of kings is the most ridiculous idea in Western civilization.

Dont you ever feel it still sort of goes on??

George W. Bush & John Kerry are cousins

Obama is cousins with both George W. Bush & Dick Cheney.

Whats the odds of that?

Is there any credible proof of those relationships, or what distance they are related - keeping in mind we are all related within six-degrees of seperation?
The Bush/Kerry relationship seems nominally credible.

 

[Contumacious]

If the Senate is abolished, it would leave a Unicameral legislative system. It will never happen nationally, no way!

Since the "adoption" of 17th Am. The federal government has a house, no senate.


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[LibocalypseNow]

This is by far the worst U.S. Congress in our History but my answer would still have to be No.

 

[American Horse]

This is by far the worst U.S. Congress in our History but my answer would still have to be No.

As bad as our presently constituted Senate is, it's all that stands between us and our HoR