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Does it bother you that your $200. inhaler might cost a Canadian or European $5.? Although it might be made in the US, those places are given better prices.In another thread, we were talking about mixing private and public health care schemes. The problem with this approach, in the view of some, is that it allows richer patients to get better care, and subsequently condemns poor patients to the lower quality care. Thus the poll.
And yes, I misspelled a word in the poll questions, that I now cannot edit. Sue me.
lets see.... pay for a private room.... or get put in a 6 bed ward for free. If you aren't paying a dime... why complain about being in a ward? I want a private room... and pay for that.... privileged.
paying for expensive drugs...... yep, even the rich have to pay their way for expensive drugs. I was just given a prescription for an asthma inhaler.... 200 bucks WITH insurance. If i wanted it...i had to pay for it. Pretty simple.... wallgreens was not just going to give it to me out of the kindness of their own hearts.
Specialty expensive doctors..... cool! The rich still have to pay for them.... and if the doctor is not willing to work for free.... why should he be forced to treat someone who is not paying him? I buy insurance that covers the doctors I want..... why should complaints be made about getting what ever they get... for free.
It's so damn funny, they make it out as if the "rich" are not paying their way for what they want.
the poor want everything.... they just don't want to pay for it.
In another thread, we were talking about mixing private and public health care schemes. The problem with this approach, in the view of some, is that it allows richer patients to get better care, and subsequently condemns poor patients to the lower quality care. Thus the poll.
And yes, I misspelled a word in the poll questions, that I now cannot edit. Sue me.
Hmmm - I just looked at the votes - three have voted that "it's fine for richer people to get better health care".
Then why do rw's like Reagan's SOCIALIST free care for the poor that the rich have to pay for?
Should richer people drive nicer cars, wear better clothes, live in better homes? Sure if they pay their own way, why not?
Right - it provokes the more general question: Should rich people be able to buy a better quality of life?
I suppose many would say that health care is different, and that the principle shouldn't be generalized. But I'm wondering on what grounds it's considered a special case. Food and shelter are arguably just as fundamental to our survival as health care - why shouldn't they be treated in similar fashion?
Everyone should be equal. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they should have crappy healthcare.
The rest of the industrialized nations provide care to all their people. The US doesn't.Everyone should be equal. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they should have crappy healthcare.
in a utopian world... sure.
we do not live in a utopian world.
just becasue someone i poor... also does not mean they should get what others pay for themselves.... and should be happy with what they are getting
for free.
Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | ReutersThe rest of the industrialized nations provide care to all their people. The US doesn't.in a utopian world... sure.
we do not live in a utopian world.
just becasue someone i poor... also does not mean they should get what others pay for themselves.... and should be happy with what they are getting
for free.
Please, tell me you think that this is health care we should have. I want to laugh in your face.
Patients starve and die of thirst on hospital wards - Telegraph
Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | ReutersThe rest of the industrialized nations provide care to all their people. The US doesn't.
Please, tell me you think that this is health care we should have. I want to laugh in your face.
Patients starve and die of thirst on hospital wards - Telegraph
(Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.
Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.
The findings come amid a fierce debate over Democrats' efforts to reform the nation's $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry by expanding coverage and reducing healthcare costs.
President Barack Obama's has made the overhaul a top domestic policy priority, but his plan has been besieged by critics and slowed by intense political battles in Congress, with the insurance and healthcare industries fighting some parts of the plan.
The Harvard study, funded by a federal research grant, was published in the online edition of the American Journal of Public Health. It was released by Physicians for a National Health Program, which favors government-backed or "single-payer" health insurance.
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Should richer people drive nicer cars, wear better clothes, live in better homes? Sure if they pay their own way, why not?
Right - it provokes the more general question: Should rich people be able to buy a better quality of life?
I suppose many would say that health care is different, and that the principle shouldn't be generalized. But I'm wondering on what grounds it's considered a special case. Food and shelter are arguably just as fundamental to our survival as health care - why shouldn't they be treated in similar fashion?
The rest of the industrialized nations provide care to all their people. The US doesn't.Everyone should be equal. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they should have crappy healthcare.
in a utopian world... sure.
we do not live in a utopian world.
just becasue someone i poor... also does not mean they should get what others pay for themselves.... and should be happy with what they are getting
for free.
Yes, the well off are rewarded, while the worker is denied decent pay. After all his job can be exported.The rest of the industrialized nations provide care to all their people. The US doesn't.in a utopian world... sure.
we do not live in a utopian world.
just becasue someone i poor... also does not mean they should get what others pay for themselves.... and should be happy with what they are getting
for free.
Probably one of the reasons is USA doctors get paid more than doctors in countries with universal health care.
Higher Fees Paid To US Physicians Drive Higher Spending For Physician Services Compared To Other Countries
Does it bother you that your $200. inhaler might cost a Canadian or European $5.? Although it might be made in the US, those places are given better prices.In another thread, we were talking about mixing private and public health care schemes. The problem with this approach, in the view of some, is that it allows richer patients to get better care, and subsequently condemns poor patients to the lower quality care. Thus the poll.
And yes, I misspelled a word in the poll questions, that I now cannot edit. Sue me.
lets see.... pay for a private room.... or get put in a 6 bed ward for free. If you aren't paying a dime... why complain about being in a ward? I want a private room... and pay for that.... privileged.
paying for expensive drugs...... yep, even the rich have to pay their way for expensive drugs. I was just given a prescription for an asthma inhaler.... 200 bucks WITH insurance. If i wanted it...i had to pay for it. Pretty simple.... wallgreens was not just going to give it to me out of the kindness of their own hearts.
Specialty expensive doctors..... cool! The rich still have to pay for them.... and if the doctor is not willing to work for free.... why should he be forced to treat someone who is not paying him? I buy insurance that covers the doctors I want..... why should complaints be made about getting what ever they get... for free.
It's so damn funny, they make it out as if the "rich" are not paying their way for what they want.
the poor want everything.... they just don't want to pay for it.
The problem with this approach, in the view of some, is that it allows richer patients to get better care,
Everyone should be equal. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they should have crappy healthcare.
Yes, the well off are rewarded, while the worker is denied decent pay. After all his job can be exported.The rest of the industrialized nations provide care to all their people. The US doesn't.
Probably one of the reasons is USA doctors get paid more than doctors in countries with universal health care.
Higher Fees Paid To US Physicians Drive Higher Spending For Physician Services Compared To Other Countries
One of my co workers ran me in this conversation today and convinced me human life is special. Well, I decided Hitler's life and the lives of morally repugnant folks were no longer special.
But anyways, if it is special then yeah, everyone deserves healthcare. The wealthy will always have better in home nurses and the like just because in real life there is a line society must draw, but since everyone can vote everyone is special.
Damn. That felt sappy.
And most days I don't care if folks live or die. I just want universal healthcare so everyone HAS to pay to their ability ...