Should Gun Owners Form A Militia?

[HappyJoy]

They were terrorists threatening Federal Officers. They were breaking the law. They had no standing, no right, nothing but impotent rage.


Fuck em'.

Just like that faggot and his family at Ruby Ridge. -- Fucker trained his children to point guns at U.S. Marshals, we can't have people like that living in our country.

Flush those turds down the toilet.

Sorry, but this is why abortion clinics in Red States are so crucial.

Again, I say the man was slated for death when he took off in his truck. Everyone watching knew he was a dead man driving.

He was armed.

He previously stated he would not be taken alive

He appeared to reach for a gun

Dude, if you think this guy is innocent, you must love the BLM movement.

I ain't an admirer of any "movements." And the courts will decide what the outcome on this man's murder.

Oh, so now it's up to the courts. Previously you implied he was the victim.

He was murdered. He was a victim.

A victim of his own perceived victimization.

 

[Missourian]

Oh........................Gawd........................ Mabel, bar the door, get out the shotgun, hide under the bed, shit your pants and tremble..................................

I'm sorry Rocks, but I must take exception to this statement.

Katy bars the door. I know not this Mabel, nor whence she came, but she is an interloper in this colloquialism.

 

[Agit8r]

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, counties or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws."
-- John Adams; from 'A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America'

 

[Rustic]

Another example of the government over reacting...

 

[Old Rocks]

When you read the second carefully it says a "Well Regulated Militia" NOT a federal government regulated one NOR state regulated one or even a party regulated one. Just a well regulated one.

Nothing in the second even gives the federal OR state governments the power to regulate ANY militia. Citizens are in charge of deciding that and are able granted by that very law to do so.

Maybe its time to organize? A militia IS a form of a union so why not ask even DEMAND the National Rifle Association to form the National Rifle Militia? That meets the context of the law perfectly. Members would of course set the rules/training for the militia.

Federal and states would NO longer have the power {stolen anyway} to regulate the "peoples militia". The federals would set the rules for the federal arm forces the state for state reserves and the National Rifle Militia for the citizens.

Citizen gun control belongs to the citizens NOT any legislative branch of government. I think in some ways we are fighting the wrong fight. Its not a matter of how much control a federal/state government should have. Its a question of should they have ANY at all.

And after breaking down the second and lets not forget that comma I don't think they should. There is NOTHING in the second that gives the federal OR state the right to regulate the citizens militia. NO limit on types of weapons/caliber/ammo, or the number of weapons.

Democrats AND gun grabbers argue the "persons" right. A National Rifle Militia REMOVES that argument BECAUSE it IS protected.

Thoughts?
Fury

You are fucking nuts. We in Oregon have had enough of your non-feathered loons in the militias.

Government owned land in Oregon-----53.1%---Did you know that?

And, here in Oregon, I am quite happy with that land ownership. That is land that I can hunt, fish, and hike without asking anyone permission. That is land that will not be degraded due to over grazing. You don't like it, just stay away.

 

[Rustic]

When you read the second carefully it says a "Well Regulated Militia" NOT a federal government regulated one NOR state regulated one or even a party regulated one. Just a well regulated one.

Nothing in the second even gives the federal OR state governments the power to regulate ANY militia. Citizens are in charge of deciding that and are able granted by that very law to do so.

Maybe its time to organize? A militia IS a form of a union so why not ask even DEMAND the National Rifle Association to form the National Rifle Militia? That meets the context of the law perfectly. Members would of course set the rules/training for the militia.

Federal and states would NO longer have the power {stolen anyway} to regulate the "peoples militia". The federals would set the rules for the federal arm forces the state for state reserves and the National Rifle Militia for the citizens.

Citizen gun control belongs to the citizens NOT any legislative branch of government. I think in some ways we are fighting the wrong fight. Its not a matter of how much control a federal/state government should have. Its a question of should they have ANY at all.

And after breaking down the second and lets not forget that comma I don't think they should. There is NOTHING in the second that gives the federal OR state the right to regulate the citizens militia. NO limit on types of weapons/caliber/ammo, or the number of weapons.

Democrats AND gun grabbers argue the "persons" right. A National Rifle Militia REMOVES that argument BECAUSE it IS protected.

Thoughts?
Fury

You are fucking nuts. We in Oregon have had enough of your non-feathered loons in the militias.

Government owned land in Oregon-----53.1%---Did you know that?

And, here in Oregon, I am quite happy with that land ownership. That is land that I can hunt, fish, and hike without asking anyone permission. That is land that will not be degraded due to over grazing. You don't like it, just stay away.

If something can be fucked up, the government will be the one to do it...
Lol

 

[Old Rocks]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh........................Gawd........................ Mabel, bar the door, get out the shotgun, hide under the bed, shit your pants and tremble..................................

I'm sorry Rocks, but I must take exception to this statement.

Katy bars the door. I know not this Mabel, nor whence she came, but she is an interloper in this colloquialism.

Mabel is a better cook, sent Katy home. LOL

 

[paulitician]

Sure, why not?

Because it's true idiocy - a pathetic, delusional fantasy of a reactionary minority.

Aw, calm down. Your boy Hussein wanted his own 'Civilian Army' for God's sake. Militias are perfectly legal and are an American tradition. Deal with it.

 

[regent]

If citizens can create their own militias, the first citizen-formed militia was taken into custody by president Washington; 150, whatever, were arrested, 24 were charged with treason, and two sentenced to be hanged. When the rebellion quieted down all were forgiven.

 

[Rustic]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

 

[regent]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

Who should people trust?

 

[Skylar]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

In comparison to what?

 

[Rustic]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

Who should people trust?

People who are not career politicians, that simple.

 

[Rustic]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

In comparison to what?

Trust people that will strengthen the tenth admendment....

 

[Skylar]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

In comparison to what?

Trust people that will strengthen the tenth admendment....

So State government. Shall we look at the record of the State?

Its fascinating that what conservatives argue for, almost universally, is more government power. And almost always, at the cost of rights.

 

[Rustic]

Another example of the government over reacting...

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

In comparison to what?

Trust people that will strengthen the tenth admendment....

So State government. Shall we look at the record of the State?

Its fascinating that what conservatives argue for, almost universally, is more government power. And almost always, at the cost of rights.

No, a state run by people who are limited to one term, and can tell the federal government to fuck off when they don't agree to their tyranny...

 

[Skylar]

That bunch of felons following Ammon Bundy were taken down by the sheriff departments of two different counties, the Oregon State Patrol, and the FBI. Would not be surprised if there were some US Marshals there, also. That it occurred with only one death, and a minor injury is a credit to all the LEO's involved. And a relief to get most of the non-feathered Loons out of Oregon. Now comes the process of rounding up and charging all that took part in that travesty. They will get their wish to occupy Federal Property for a lot of years now. With free snacks. Probably won't have access to their dildos, however.

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

In comparison to what?

Trust people that will strengthen the tenth admendment....

So State government. Shall we look at the record of the State?

Its fascinating that what conservatives argue for, almost universally, is more government power. And almost always, at the cost of rights.

No, a state run by people who are limited to one term, and can tell the federal government to fuck off when they don't agree to their tyranny...

What state is that? And who, pray tell, would check the State's tyranny?

Shall we go through the history of State abuses? They're quite horrific. And you insist we should be giving them *more* power to strip their citizens of rights.

 

[Rustic]

No serious person could ever trust the federal government... Their track record is far too shitty...

In comparison to what?

Trust people that will strengthen the tenth admendment....

So State government. Shall we look at the record of the State?

Its fascinating that what conservatives argue for, almost universally, is more government power. And almost always, at the cost of rights.

No, a state run by people who are limited to one term, and can tell the federal government to fuck off when they don't agree to their tyranny...

What state is that? And who, pray tell, would check the State's tyranny?

Shall we go through the history of State abuses? They're quite horrific. And you insist we should be giving them *more* power to strip their citizens of rights.

Don't you have any reading comprehension?? States rights to limit the federal government's oppression of the states citizens. The federal government has all but fully neutered the tenth admendment...
Limiting all elected officials to one term gives the citizens their state back.

The federal government fucks its citizens every second of every day...

 

[Skylar]

In comparison to what?

Trust people that will strengthen the tenth admendment....

So State government. Shall we look at the record of the State?

Its fascinating that what conservatives argue for, almost universally, is more government power. And almost always, at the cost of rights.

No, a state run by people who are limited to one term, and can tell the federal government to fuck off when they don't agree to their tyranny...

What state is that? And who, pray tell, would check the State's tyranny?

Shall we go through the history of State abuses? They're quite horrific. And you insist we should be giving them *more* power to strip their citizens of rights.

Don't you have any reading comprehension?? States rights to limit the federal government's oppression of the states citizens. The federal government has all but fully neutered the tenth admendment...

States don't have rights. People do. You've clearly never read the 10th amendment if you're going to cite it as the basis of States having 'rights'. The word 'rights' never appears in it. States have Powers.

And you insisted that we couldn't trust the federal government because of its record. The record of the States on abusing its powers and the rights of its citizen is awful. Thus, by your own standards, we shouldn't trust the State governments either.

Yet you're arguing that the States should have *more* power to abuse their citizens and strip them of rights. Your argument is a self contradictory mess.