uptownlivin90
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Government should have limits.
People should have rights.
It should never be the other way around.
People should have rights.
It should never be the other way around.
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??? Do you mean "How do you propose the government do this"? The old fashioned way, by making bad things illegal.
But then it comes down to personal opinion of what is bad. And therein lies the problem.
Yes you are right, some people do not think it is a bad thing to dump people from their health insurance or run them into bankruptcy or any of the other horrible side effects of a for profit health system, their opinion seems to matter more than their customers who have paid for a service and end up screwed anyway or those who cannot even afford to buy insurance.
But then it comes down to personal opinion of what is bad. And therein lies the problem.
Yes you are right, some people do not think it is a bad thing to dump people from their health insurance or run them into bankruptcy or any of the other horrible side effects of a for profit health system, their opinion seems to matter more than their customers who have paid for a service and end up screwed anyway or those who cannot even afford to buy insurance.
And a majority of people have no issues with that aspect of Obamacare, it's the mandate that's a problem. Does the government have the right to force me to buy health insurance because they think its in my best interest?
I don't believe the government has the right to force me to buy a god damned thing, at least not without some choice in the matter. Car insurance, I have a choice to not own a car and to use mass transit instead. SS I have no choice in whatsoever, even if I want to handle my own retirement.
Government should have limits.
People should have rights.
It should never be the other way around.
Government tells you what you can and can't do all the time. There are no smoking laws. Laws tell people to put on their seat belt. They tell you to drive 35 MPH. Government decided to install handicapped ramps on every corner in most places. When doesn't government direct your life.
They tell you in some states that you must have auto insurance. They legislate the age to drink, marry, and when to send your children to school. They also force parents to buy car seats for their children. These are all positions the government takes where they are involved in a person's private life.
You are taxed to pay for things and services you do not use or in some cases do not support. Government controls many of life's actions. Where do you suggest one would draw the line.
So in other words? Government has determined that they are the final arbitors of individual liberty?
No. We have given them that ability. It would be pure chaos if all of us defended our own liberties every chance we got. That's not how a civilized society works.
Government tells you what you can and can't do all the time. There are no smoking laws. Laws tell people to put on their seat belt. They tell you to drive 35 MPH. Government decided to install handicapped ramps on every corner in most places. When doesn't government direct your life.
They tell you in some states that you must have auto insurance. They legislate the age to drink, marry, and when to send your children to school. They also force parents to buy car seats for their children. These are all positions the government takes where they are involved in a person's private life.
You are taxed to pay for things and services you do not use or in some cases do not support. Government controls many of life's actions. Where do you suggest one would draw the line.
So tell us brainiac? What DO the 9th and 10th state?Which of course doesn't or ever say what you think it says. The Constitution is supreme. Legislation that has not been made at a federal level, like the prohibition of prostitution or gambling..is left to the states to decide.
As is the BOR oaf. It describes exactly what the Federal Government may NOT do and is left to the States whom in thier own right are soverign as is every individual American citizen.
YOU didn't pay attention is Civics class, did you? And that is assuming it was taught at all.
If the Bill of Rights does not say that the Government cannot do something, do you think they then have the power to do it?
Government tells you what you can and can't do all the time. There are no smoking laws. Laws tell people to put on their seat belt. They tell you to drive 35 MPH. Government decided to install handicapped ramps on every corner in most places. When doesn't government direct your life.
They tell you in some states that you must have auto insurance. They legislate the age to drink, marry, and when to send your children to school. They also force parents to buy car seats for their children. These are all positions the government takes where they are involved in a person's private life.
You are taxed to pay for things and services you do not use or in some cases do not support. Government controls many of life's actions. Where do you suggest one would draw the line.
If you want to drive a car... you need to buy insurance. You also have a choice of what insurance you want to purchase. No one is forcing you to drive or carry insurance.
If you want to have your small child in your car while you drive... you need to buy a car seat. No one is forcing you to bring your small child along.
The rest of what you say comes out of taxes. And even then only a portion of citizens pay federal taxes.
So far there is nothing i know of that we are forced to purchase.
Yep.How do you propose the government of this?
??? Do you mean "How do you propose the government do this"? The old fashioned way, by making bad things illegal.
But then it comes down to personal opinion of what is bad. And therein lies the problem.
But then it comes down to personal opinion of what is bad. And therein lies the problem.
Yes you are right, some people do not think it is a bad thing to dump people from their health insurance or run them into bankruptcy or any of the other horrible side effects of a for profit health system, their opinion seems to matter more than their customers who have paid for a service and end up screwed anyway or those who cannot even afford to buy insurance.
And a majority of people have no issues with that aspect of Obamacare, it's the mandate that's a problem. Does the government have the right to force me to buy health insurance because they think its in my best interest?
I don't believe the government has the right to force me to buy a god damned thing, at least not without some choice in the matter. Car insurance, I have a choice to not own a car and to use mass transit instead. SS I have no choice in whatsoever, even if I want to handle my own retirement.
Government tells you what you can and can't do all the time. There are no smoking laws. Laws tell people to put on their seat belt. They tell you to drive 35 MPH. Government decided to install handicapped ramps on every corner in most places. When doesn't government direct your life.
They tell you in some states that you must have auto insurance. They legislate the age to drink, marry, and when to send your children to school. They also force parents to buy car seats for their children. These are all positions the government takes where they are involved in a person's private life.
You are taxed to pay for things and services you do not use or in some cases do not support. Government controls many of life's actions. Where do you suggest one would draw the line.
If you want to drive a car... you need to buy insurance....
Yep.??? Do you mean "How do you propose the government do this"? The old fashioned way, by making bad things illegal.
But then it comes down to personal opinion of what is bad. And therein lies the problem.
Let's remember what the Great Man said:
We are a nation that has a governmentnot the other way around. ..
Let's cut to the chase - should the gov't have the power to force you to buy something, anything, or not buy it? Do they have the power to decide for you what's good for you and what isn't, a decision you have no say in? For example, should they be able to determine the conditions for who gets what medical treatment, based on cost analysis by a bunch of bureaucrats?
So tell us brainiac? What DO the 9th and 10th state?As is the BOR oaf. It describes exactly what the Federal Government may NOT do and is left to the States whom in thier own right are soverign as is every individual American citizen.
YOU didn't pay attention is Civics class, did you? And that is assuming it was taught at all.
If the Bill of Rights does not say that the Government cannot do something, do you think they then have the power to do it?
I'll wait...
Let's cut to the chase - should the gov't have the power to force you to buy something, anything, or not buy it? Do they have the power to decide for you what's good for you and what isn't, a decision you have no say in? For example, should they be able to determine the conditions for who gets what medical treatment, based on cost analysis by a bunch of bureaucrats?
You mean like if I have a chronic pain, should I be able to head down to my local pharmacy and spend some of my hard-earned dollars on medical marijuana in a perfectly legal market transaction?
Government tells you what you can and can't do all the time. There are no smoking laws. Laws tell people to put on their seat belt. They tell you to drive 35 MPH. Government decided to install handicapped ramps on every corner in most places. When doesn't government direct your life.
They tell you in some states that you must have auto insurance. They legislate the age to drink, marry, and when to send your children to school. They also force parents to buy car seats for their children. These are all positions the government takes where they are involved in a person's private life.
You are taxed to pay for things and services you do not use or in some cases do not support. Government controls many of life's actions. Where do you suggest one would draw the line.
Let's cut to the chase - should the gov't have the power to force you to buy something, anything, or not buy it? Do they have the power to decide for you what's good for you and what isn't, a decision you have no say in? For example, should they be able to determine the conditions for who gets what medical treatment, based on cost analysis by a bunch of bureaucrats?
And let's not change the subject by bitching about the private insurance system. Separate issue, please stick to the basic question. Should the gov't have any limits at all?
My take: the gov't has no business making personal decisions for it's citizens. Nor does it have a responsibility to assist those who make the wrong choices. Gov't should be restricted to ONLY those functions that individual cannot do by themselves, such as national defense.
Yes you are right, some people do not think it is a bad thing to dump people from their health insurance or run them into bankruptcy or any of the other horrible side effects of a for profit health system, their opinion seems to matter more than their customers who have paid for a service and end up screwed anyway or those who cannot even afford to buy insurance.
And a majority of people have no issues with that aspect of Obamacare, it's the mandate that's a problem. Does the government have the right to force me to buy health insurance because they think its in my best interest?
I don't believe the government has the right to force me to buy a god damned thing, at least not without some choice in the matter. Car insurance, I have a choice to not own a car and to use mass transit instead. SS I have no choice in whatsoever, even if I want to handle my own retirement.
Moot point as Obamacare doesn't require you to buy anything. It requires you to have coverage, but that's a very different thing.