Should Congress Legalize ALL Drugs, Including Meth?

Discussion in 'Congress' started by mal, Dec 2, 2009.

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What Drugs, if ANY, Should be Legalized...

Poll closed Mar 12, 2010.
  1. 1.) None.

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  2. 2.) None and Criminalize Booze again.

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  3. 3.) ALL!

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  4. 4.) Some... List the ones that are Special to you.

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    If it feels so great why are you insisting there are all these one time users that won't touch the stuff for fear of getting caught? Especially when the chance of getting caught is so low.

    I never said one should have a different stigma than the other. The simple reality is that it does. Pot shouldn't have a worse stigma than alcohol. The reality is that it does. Same as with coke and alcohol.

    Sure, and look at things now. Far fewer people are recereational drug users comparing then to now and the legality of the issue didnt change at all. The stigma is what changed. The legal negativity of absuing the substance hasn't changed in that time. The negativity associated with the substance itself has and as ar result there are fewer users.

    But who is really likely to use it? The peopel that already are of course in which case legality is irrelevant. Then there's the people that tried it once but decided their not trying it again because it's not legal. I would find pretty naive to believe there are many people in that group. Lastly there's everyone else who has simply heard about the stuff. You can count me in that group and you can tell me how great it is til your blue in the face, I have zero desire to try it, legal or not. Why? because of what I have been exposed to. All I know about coke is that apparently it feels good to use. I also know it's pretty easy to misuse, can drain you financially, can cause your nose to cave in, and generally fuck your life up. Given those negatives the negativity of going to jail for using it is a non-factor in my decision. If I'm the most naive guy on the block as you imply obviously everyone else can impart a lot more logical reasoning than little old me is capable of and will come to the same conclusion I have about using coke a lot faster.
     
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    If it feels so great why are you insisting there are all these one time users that won't touch the stuff for fear of getting caught? Especially when the chance of getting caught is so low.


    I've never stated that at all. I think it's a matter of availability and the chance of getting busted. for some it's easy to get but for the vast majority they are not able to go find 8 balls without knowing someone. However, I promise you, in a college town when the availability is rampant and the risk for getting busted is slim then people will do drugs. Ever wonder why colleges are bastions of drug activity?



    I never said one should have a different stigma than the other. The simple reality is that it does. Pot shouldn't have a worse stigma than alcohol. The reality is that it does. Same as with coke and alcohol.



    Again, the flaw in your arguement is that you assume that all substances affect a person equally. They don't. Pot is less than alcohol but coke IS worse then both pot and alcohol. Social stigmas are nothing more than the social construct of a reputation applied regardless of actual reality. There is no way that alcohol, while worse than pot, is itself worse than coke. REGARDLESS of social stigma.


    Sure, and look at things now. Far fewer people are recereational drug users comparing then to now and the legality of the issue didnt change at all. The stigma is what changed. The legal negativity of absuing the substance hasn't changed in that time. The negativity associated with the substance itself has and as ar result there are fewer users.


    Uh, are you kidding me? CRACK in the 80s didn't strike you as an uptake of lethality? METH doesn't strike you are more lethal? Cracks lethal stigma is a direct result of it's impact on society at large in the 80s. Does the term CRACK BABY ring a bell? yes, the method of consumption and lethality of such did change. People didn't tend to smoke rock in the 60s.

    and, if you think that LESS people smoke pot and there is MORE stigma associated with drugs then it must boggle your mind during the entire series run of That 70s Show, Friday, Harold and Kumar, School Daze, Road Trip and every other instance where the consumption of pot has been rationalized as normal enough to be accepted openly as cool.



    But who is really likely to use it? The peopel that already are of course in which case legality is irrelevant. Then there's the people that tried it once but decided their not trying it again because it's not legal. I would find pretty naive to believe there are many people in that group. Lastly there's everyone else who has simply heard about the stuff. You can count me in that group and you can tell me how great it is til your blue in the face, I have zero desire to try it, legal or not. Why? because of what I have been exposed to. All I know about coke is that apparently it feels good to use. I also know it's pretty easy to misuse, can drain you financially, can cause your nose to cave in, and generally fuck your life up. Given those negatives the negativity of going to jail for using it is a non-factor in my decision. If I'm the most naive guy on the block as you imply obviously everyone else can impart a lot more logical reasoning than little old me is capable of and will come to the same conclusion I have about using coke a lot faster.[/QUOTE]



    You are simply wrong. a LOT of people are equally potentially willing to become users of a legal substance. Again, in 1984 no one consumed guarana based energy drinks with ramped up caffeine. NOW? Go to a truck stop and ask yourself why all those yellowjacket and minithins are behind the counter yet legal. Hell, even after ephedera was banned the product STILL retained their markets. I don't think it's the stigma of the drug that confounds you so much as it is your schema of those who use drugs.. which, in this day and age of over medication and prescription pill abuse, pretty much blows that whole demographic wide open.


    Again, I don't care if you have a desire to try it. What you might want to consider is that, despite my position against legalization, I'm admitting that coke is a wonderfully feeling drug. I'm not trying to convince you to go snort a line; but I AM being brutally honest about a subject that you clearly have limited insight on. It's easy to be a paladin about trying substance from behind the veil of complete unknowing ignorance. Perhaps you should go find your one semi-shady buddy from back in the day and ask him his opinion on the subject matter. Like I said before, I'm willing to bet that those who have used cocaine before are grinding their teeth while reading a thread like this.
     
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    Again if you've tried it once, you got it from somewhere so chance are it won't be real difficult for you to find it again. That leaves the people that have never tried it, like me. Do you really think I'm in the minority of that group of people because I have zero interest in trying the stuff?

    I would imagine I'm less removed from college than you are and all I can tell is no the college I went to was not full of drugies, The college my sister went to wasn't and she's less removed than I am. My brother's wasn't and even less removed than her. You have pretty much implied this whole time stating I am ignorant on the issue that at one point in your life you indeed did have a coke habit. Did you ever consider that you're position is at the very least as naive as you claim mine is. Maybe the reason I didn't see all this drug use is because I didn't surround myself with users. Maybe the reason you think they are bastions of drug activity is because you did and you were one yourself. As you so aptly stated before ones experiences shape their opinion which may or may not coincide with reality. And it shouldn't be rocket science to figure out which of the two groups (users and non-users) is more DEtached from reality.

    Again with the again. I think if you read a few posts back I said I was keenly aware that drugs affect people differently. As such I don't follow the point you are trying to make here.


    I'm talking about the number of illegal drugs users, not what they use or their lethality.

    Not mind boggling at all. just because it's more socially acceptable doesn't mean more people are doing it.


    Fewer people consumed Garauna in drinks thnn because it simply wasn't as available as it is today. Monster, Amp, Red Bull, none of them were around in the 80s. You couldn't find energy drinks at a gas station. There weren't any 'users' of Gaurana because there were almost no supplies.

    I think what confounds you is that you and I associate with very different people. I know zero coke heasd or meth addicts. One or two prescription pill abusers and a few pot head. I'm guessing in the circles of life you have been exposed to over the course of yours you have been exposed to a lot more. Just because you've been around more drugs and drug abuse than I have doesn't inherently mean that what you've been exposed to constitutes the generally true reality of the world. At best it is no more valid than mine.


    that you state I have limited exposure to it implies that you have had some if not considerable exposure to it. Why is it you presume your existance has been more normal or status quo with regard to drug use than mine?
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    You make some good points in this post, only the pharm companies would not lose billions, they would make trillions. Surely the FDA and their androids would regulate these substances as well. Which would include the goverment in regards to the deal they have with them concerning Obama's suicidal health care bill. ~BH
     
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    so make it illegal to drive while stoned and why would I name ways you can die from cigarettes when it doesn't apply to marijuana. No one has ever developed lung cancer from marijuana and if having an asthma attack some doctors believe smoking marijuana can be more effective than most inhalers. No one has ever died from marijuana unless it was due to an accident such as a car accident.
     
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    Just curious my friend, but where the hell did you hear this truck load of bullshit? Nothing personal, I was just wondering about it myself? :razz:~BH
     
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    yea not sure where the lie you quoted gets circulated. everything I have read says that smoking one joint can be as harmful as a pack of cigarettes wrt to lungs.

    I still think it should be legal though. keeping thousands of people in jail and having 16 and 17 year olds caught with a joint losing all chance to get college assistance is really fucking stupid.
     
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    I agree.

    Meth should never be legal. That's a terrible drug. The same for it's designer cousin, ecstasy, which punches holes in people's brains.

    I don't think they should legalize cocaine, but I do think the mandatory crack sentences should match cocaine, since it's a one step acid/base reaction that doesn't only changes the composition (and not mechanism) of the drug.
     
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    I can't find any good scientific evidence to support that. I find a lot of anecdotal.

    I am also not sure that you can state that no one has ever developed lung cancer from smoking pot.

    One thing that does annoy me is when people compare joints to cigarettes. Unless you are chain smoking joints, it's really not a good analogy.
     

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