Shocking Video! Contraceptives Obtained Without Federal Mandate!

[Jarhead]

On SS, we'll never agree. However, I do agree with you on viagra. And, of course I'm not against helping someone. I prefer it coming from other individuals but I'm not against some help from the government. It's the staggering amounts that I object to.

no offense...

But see what she did?

She made the issue about viagara......

But the issue isnt Viagara...nor is it Birth Control.

The issue is government MANDATING that insurance companies offer birth control...whether they want to or not.

Since when is that OK?

It is one thing for the government to say you CANT sell something becuase it is dangerous, or unhealthy, or whatever...

But for government to say YOU MUST sell something?

But the left doesnt want to touch that issue...so they made it about birth control, the religiuous right...and viagara..

And you fell into it.

Oh, I agree that govt can't enumerate what a private company should sell. I just think there are certain drugs that should come from private pay. That's all.

I agree.

I alos feel it is appropriate for insurance companies to offer birth control as part of the policy.

I would likely pass on a plan that didnt offer it.

But I completely disagree with Obama mandating that a business owner MUST offer a service if said business owner does not want to.

Like I said before...

The left is making it about a woman and her body.

It is not.

It is about freedom of choice for a business owner.

 

[g5000]

My tax dollars helped pay for two unnnecessary wars of choice for the neo-cons.

Was there a talking points memo issued from the Two Wrongs Make A Right Division of the Department of Logical Fallacies? Because this is the second time in as many days as I have heard this.

 

[Jarhead]

let me know when the rightwingnuts start demanding insurance companies stop covering viagra.

You're confused. People who believe in freedom don't demand that insurance companies cover anything. Imposing rules on insurance companies about what they can cover is purely a leftwing idea.



We have always understood it. You and your ilk are the ones who deliberately fail to understand it. Insurance companies can pay for whatever they like. You want to force people to pay for certain coverages that they don't want to pay for. The only force involved here is by the Obama Administration. No one else is talking about using force.

And just to emphasize, even if it was about your precious tax dollars, big deal. My tax dollars helped pay for two unnnecessary wars of choice for the neo-cons.

Get over it.

Fighting wars doesn't violate the Bill of Rights.

except you lying hypocrites don't believe in freedom... you just repeat nonsense over and over and over again.

no one who is opposed to reproductive choice is pro freedom.

stop referencing the "bill of rights" and the "constitution". you have no understanding of either. (or both, as it were).

why are you so "freedom" oriented...

Yet you dont agree that a business owner should have the freedom to choose what he or she sells?

 

[jillian]

On SS, we'll never agree. However, I do agree with you on viagra. And, of course I'm not against helping someone. I prefer it coming from other individuals but I'm not against some help from the government. It's the staggering amounts that I object to.

no offense...

But see what she did?

She made the issue about viagara......

But the issue isnt Viagara...nor is it Birth Control.

The issue is government MANDATING that insurance companies offer birth control...whether they want to or not.

Since when is that OK?

It is one thing for the government to say you CANT sell something becuase it is dangerous, or unhealthy, or whatever...

But for government to say YOU MUST sell something?

But the left doesnt want to touch that issue...so they made it about birth control, the religiuous right...and viagara..

And you fell into it.

Oh, I agree that govt can't enumerate what a private company should sell. I just think there are certain drugs that should come from private pay. That's all.

actually, no matter how much the religious right twists it, what they're trying to do is allow religious zealots to decide if an insurance policy is allowed to cover medication they don't approve of. they can lie. they can obfuscate. they can try to confuse the issue. but that's what it is and that's all that it is.

he thinks anyone who has a civil conversation "fell into" whatever... but not surprising from him. *shrug*

of course viagra is a fair issue to raise. rushbot and his fellow old white fat men love using that. but a woman who takes birth control is a slut?? and insurance companies shouldn't pay for her medication? really?

give me a good reason why i should pay for medication out of pocket that i've been prescribed since i'm a tween just because some religious nutter doesn't like what I have to take.

i'll wait.

 

[WillowTree]

The people who are buying the coverage will pay for it. Get it now?

Yep.. that's the We the People" I'm talking about. We know you and your kind don't pay shit for anything. Get it now?

Really liar???

Wanna try that again without the delusional nonsense?

really? what's delusional about it?

 

[bripat9643]

Child...that was not a compromise......only the most naive saw it as a compromise....even those on the left saw it as a non compromise.

You dont comrpomise by getting 100% of what you want with a mandate.

You really are naive.

In other words, you're going to completely ignore the actual facts of the situation and just say whatever makes your pre-ordained conclusion sound good.

 

[auditor0007]

let me know when the rightwingnuts start demanding insurance companies stop covering viagra.

you don't really understand this issue very well, do you?

I understand it perfectly Jillian. Ms. Fluke, the Abortion rights activist, made testimony to Congress. She claimed that contraception is unavailable and unaffordable. Turns out she is a liar. That is the point. Planned Parenthood is 1.5 miles from the Georgetown Campus- free condoms, free pills, free exams.

You are missing the point. The students pay 100% of their health insurance costs. The school should not be able to dictate what can and cannot be covered in their health insurance if they are not footing any of the bill. Now, if the insurance company states that they will have to raise rates due to including contraceptives, then someone needs to make a decision if the added benefit is worth the cost, but that is a completely different argument. In fact, the argument can be made that covering contraceptives reduces long term costs as less women become pregnant, but again, that really is a separate discussion.

 

[Jarhead]

My tax dollars helped pay for two unnnecessary wars of choice for the neo-cons.

Was there a talking points memo issued from the Two Wrongs Make A Right Division of the Department of Logical Fallacies? Because this is the second time in as many days as I have heard this.

it has nothing to do with tax dollars.

Dont you get it...the left is RUNNING away from the real issue and they are making about things like tax dollars, and a womans body and wars and viagara.

And they are successfully diverting form the real issue...becuase they know the real issue will be defeated by those that care.

The real issue is that insurance companies will be mandated to offer a service whether they want to or not.

The rest?

Nothing but a diversion.

 

[Jarhead]

Child...that was not a compromise......only the most naive saw it as a compromise....even those on the left saw it as a non compromise.

You dont comrpomise by getting 100% of what you want with a mandate.

You really are naive.

In other words, you're going to completely ignore the actual facts of the situation and just say whatever makes your pre-ordained conclusion sound good.

lol....you noticed?

He is completely ignoring the facts I have stated...the ecxamples I have given...and the questions I have asked.

He debates like a child.

 

[jillian]

My tax dollars helped pay for two unnnecessary wars of choice for the neo-cons.

Was there a talking points memo issued from the Two Wrongs Make A Right Division of the Department of Logical Fallacies? Because this is the second time in as many days as I have heard this.

i've said that for years every time rightwingnuts complain about paying for something. feel free to go back and look at my posts since the start of the iraq war days.

it's not about 'two wrongs make a right'... it's about rightwingnuts whining every time they have to pay for something they don't like. it's not that complicated.

i'm sorry you and some of your bretheren think it's ok to say whatever you want and then get offended when people tell the truth about you.

 

[Jarhead]

let me know when the rightwingnuts start demanding insurance companies stop covering viagra.

you don't really understand this issue very well, do you?

I understand it perfectly Jillian. Ms. Fluke, the Abortion rights activist, made testimony to Congress. She claimed that contraception is unavailable and unaffordable. Turns out she is a liar. That is the point. Planned Parenthood is 1.5 miles from the Georgetown Campus- free condoms, free pills, free exams.

You are missing the point. The students pay 100% of their health insurance costs. The school should not be able to dictate what can and cannot be covered in their health insurance if they are not footing any of the bill. Now, if the insurance company states that they will have to raise rates due to including contraceptives, then someone needs to make a decision if the added benefit is worth the cost, but that is a completely different argument. In fact, the argument can be made that covering contraceptives reduces long term costs as less women become pregnant, but again, that really is a separate discussion.

and you too, fell for the diversion.

It has nothinjg to do with costys, who pays, etc.

It has to do with government MANDATING that an insurance company offer a servie...whether it wants to or not.

Why uis everyone ignoring this?

The rest has nothing to do with anything. It is a diversion...AND IT IS WORKING!

 

[g5000]

actually, no matter how much the religious right twists it, what they're trying to do is allow religious zealots to decide if an insurance policy is allowed to cover medication they don't approve of. they can lie. they can obfuscate. they can try to confuse the issue. but that's what it is and that's all that it is.

That is exactly what this is about. Everything else you have been throwing up, from viagra to the war in Iran, have been so much smokescreens. It is you on the left who have been twisting things.

The government decided out of the clear blue sky to force churches to engage in a behavior that is against their religion. You make the fact these churches are standing up for their First Amendment religious freedoms sound like a BAD thing.

 

[GHook93]

let me know when the rightwingnuts start demanding insurance companies stop covering viagra.

you don't really understand this issue very well, do you?

This is about INSURANCE companies paying for prescription medication and not allowing some religious zealot to take away that ability by deciding they don't like women using contraception.

Following now?

And just to emphasize, even if it was about your precious tax dollars, big deal. My tax dollars helped pay for two unnnecessary wars of choice for the neo-cons.

Get over it.

Actual Jil I don't think you understand the issue. It a stupid argument that was bailed by a smart Obama team to turn off women to the GOP.

The issue is not whether or no to make contraceptive legal, it's about whether or not to force religious institution to make sure their insurance plan covers birth control. When any organization choice their health coverage they have options to include or exclude many things such as speech therapy, mental illness or alcoholism treatment. They don't have to covers these if they don't want to. The church doesn't want to cover birth control, yet they are getting forced to cover it.

There has not been charges that birth control should be illegal. In fact I never heard anyone argue it. If you worked for a Church, you could go out on your own and buy birth control! That isn't the issue. It has nothing to do with women's rights.

 

[g5000]

let me know when the rightwingnuts start demanding insurance companies stop covering viagra.

you don't really understand this issue very well, do you?

I understand it perfectly Jillian. Ms. Fluke, the Abortion rights activist, made testimony to Congress. She claimed that contraception is unavailable and unaffordable. Turns out she is a liar. That is the point. Planned Parenthood is 1.5 miles from the Georgetown Campus- free condoms, free pills, free exams.

You are missing the point. The students pay 100% of their health insurance costs.

Evidence, please.

 

[g5000]

•Most students who are charged Georgetown University tuition and registered in resident thesis research or registered for nine or more credit hours in a GU degree program (eight or more credit hours if a law or graduate student) are eligible and required to enroll in the most comprehensive student injury and sickness plan offered through the University, unless their other insurance coverage meets specific University requirements.

So the students are not required to buy their health insurance through the University.

Fluke has been debunked, discredited, and is dismissed.

Georgetown University :: Office of Student Affairs :: Student Health Insurance

 

[Jarhead]

I understand it perfectly Jillian. Ms. Fluke, the Abortion rights activist, made testimony to Congress. She claimed that contraception is unavailable and unaffordable. Turns out she is a liar. That is the point. Planned Parenthood is 1.5 miles from the Georgetown Campus- free condoms, free pills, free exams.

You are missing the point. The students pay 100% of their health insurance costs.

Evidence, please.

I cant speak for Georgetown...but I can speak for SUNY schools hgere in NYS.

No. They do not. As a matter of fact, they are on their parents health plan. The schools have a plan you can opt into......but most if not all students are under the age of 26....so they are on their parents plan.

And as we all know....no children, or 10 children...a family plan is the same cost.

 

[g5000]

You are missing the point. The students pay 100% of their health insurance costs.

Evidence, please.

I cant speak for Georgetown...but I can speak for SUNY schools hgere in NYS.

No. They do not. As a matter of fact, they are on their parents health plan. The schools have a plan you can opt into......but most if not all students are under the age of 26....so they are on their parents plan.

And as we all know....no children, or 10 children...a family plan is the same cost.

It is not necessary to force the Catholic Church to provide contraception coverage. The women are able to obtain contraception by several other means. Either by the methods in the opening post video, or through their own health insurance.

 

[jillian]

Evidence, please.

I cant speak for Georgetown...but I can speak for SUNY schools hgere in NYS.

No. They do not. As a matter of fact, they are on their parents health plan. The schools have a plan you can opt into......but most if not all students are under the age of 26....so they are on their parents plan.

And as we all know....no children, or 10 children...a family plan is the same cost.

It is not necessary to force the Catholic Church to provide contraception coverage. The women are able to obtain contraception by several other means. Either by the methods in the opening post video, or through their own health insurance.

no one is trying to make the catholic church provide contraception coverage. i think most of us know that by now... notwithstanding the nutters with bagpipes i passed on the way to work this morning.

it's true that most students are covered by family plans...assuming their parents have coverage and assuming they don't age out of such coverage while in school. the current health care law now covers people on family plans until they're 26.

 

[jillian]

•Most students who are charged Georgetown University tuition and registered in resident thesis research or registered for nine or more credit hours in a GU degree program (eight or more credit hours if a law or graduate student) are eligible and required to enroll in the most comprehensive student injury and sickness plan offered through the University, unless their other insurance coverage meets specific University requirements.

So the students are not required to buy their health insurance through the University.

Fluke has been debunked, discredited, and is dismissed.

Georgetown University :: Office of Student Affairs :: Student Health Insurance

you understand her situation may be different from others' as her family may not have coverage or she may have aged out of it, right.

or should insurance companies not have to cover what they're paid to cover.

not seeing a lot of "debunking" there. it's also besides the point. the point is that this group of religious zealots thinks they should be able to deny coverage for things they don't like.

 

[g5000]

I cant speak for Georgetown...but I can speak for SUNY schools hgere in NYS.

No. They do not. As a matter of fact, they are on their parents health plan. The schools have a plan you can opt into......but most if not all students are under the age of 26....so they are on their parents plan.

And as we all know....no children, or 10 children...a family plan is the same cost.

It is not necessary to force the Catholic Church to provide contraception coverage. The women are able to obtain contraception by several other means. Either by the methods in the opening post video, or through their own health insurance.

no one is trying to make the catholic church provide contraception coverage.

Bullshit. That is EXACTLY what Obama tried to do. Are you trying to write revisionist history ALREADY?